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@Qiwater

Nice flame baiting!

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Lewis is to Twitter what Grosjean is to first corners.

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Forgive me, Budweiser clouds my judgement sometimes...

Member of the Lewis Hamilton fan club but yet to receive my customary tin foil hat.

If you are going to join in please look for what Qiwater was actually replying to before being a smartie pants!

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Multi 21 or Catch 22?!

It ain't hating just 'cause it's not love

Common fella, I meant that in jest but surely you can see the irony in what you said as you did just about the same thing in another thread?

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Forgive me, Budweiser clouds my judgement sometimes...

Member of the Lewis Hamilton fan club but yet to receive my customary tin foil hat.

No jest from you, that post of mine is from another thread regarding Lewis's building a team, to which I posted that he had a team but couldn't hold off the challenge to stay number 1 in the team he grew up with. Don't come on this one to stir up the Button hate.

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Multi 21 or Catch 22?!

It ain't hating just 'cause it's not love

The thing though Jenson did have something to do with the topic.

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Lewis is to Twitter what Grosjean is to first corners.

And Jenson has nothing to do with McLarens nightmare season, I think you guys are struggling to be objective.

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Forgive me, Budweiser clouds my judgement sometimes...

Member of the Lewis Hamilton fan club but yet to receive my customary tin foil hat.

Jenson had nothing to do with Qiwater's post witch was a flame bait post a best.

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Lewis is to Twitter what Grosjean is to first corners.

So tell me why STR's post was any different in the other thread?

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Forgive me, Budweiser clouds my judgement sometimes...

Member of the Lewis Hamilton fan club but yet to receive my customary tin foil hat.

Because Str's had something to do with Jenson, Qiwater's post did not.

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Lewis is to Twitter what Grosjean is to first corners.

But the thread was not about Jenson? Agree to disagree cuz thus is gonna go no where fast???

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Forgive me, Budweiser clouds my judgement sometimes...

Member of the Lewis Hamilton fan club but yet to receive my customary tin foil hat.

I was responding to the fact that you cannot bring yourself to admit that Mclaren due to team error have lost Lewis 100 odd points .
I then explained why it was difficult for you to admit it . Alonso and Vettel have gained from those losses but Alonso has been on form this year and Vettel off his usual form but good enough to be leading the championship.
None of that is important to you and none of that is why you are so vehemently in denial of Mclaren's failure towards Lewis .

I have not said that I'm the slightest, I've said they have but Ferrari and Red Bull have lost their drivers points too.. Yes not so many as Lewis has lost but it doesn't need to be as many because they have a lead over Lewis and would only need a few to keep them ahead.

Please read that for once and stop putting words into my mouth!!!!!!

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Multi 21 or Catch 22?!

It ain't hating just 'cause it's not love

No it was an observation....but do tell me how we can discuss a thread about Mclarens nightmare season and not mention Lewis and Jenson . If it was meant as a technical thread only, then it would have been on the in depth forum.

i think boeing 747 is just a bit heavier than a regular pig.


also : same logic, if vettel had good alternators, WDC would be over already

Sure he does... how dare he breathe the air that Lewis does. How dare Jenson to not let Lewis outscore himself by a decent margin. I say that's pretty foul on JB's part. The nerve! The cheek! Off with his head!!!


I guess this sums up the mood of some of the Lewis fans... and some Lewis fans actually wonder why people are defending JB so much

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My Top 5 drivers of all times:
1) Prost/ Schumacher
3) Fangio
4) Lauda
5) Brabham

if you don't like it, too bad! There's a reason why it says "My Top 5"

I'm sorry sir, I think you have walked innocently past the point I was making, I'll leave it to you to have a little re read.

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Forgive me, Budweiser clouds my judgement sometimes...

Member of the Lewis Hamilton fan club but yet to receive my customary tin foil hat.

I'm sorry... but if you don't mind, would you please clarify...

Also, please ignore the post, and accept my apologies in advance if it is a mere misunderstanding on my part.

Though seriously, this Jenson hate is seriously on my nerves... same with Vettel... God i just wish these "so called fans" would leave the sport alone.

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My Top 5 drivers of all times:
1) Prost/ Schumacher
3) Fangio
4) Lauda
5) Brabham

if you don't like it, too bad! There's a reason why it says "My Top 5"

If you find the origin of my quote you might see the thing you hate happening to Jenson actually happens to other, if not all drivers and fans alike, It might take some reading though but baiting seems to be commonplace on this forum even by people who claim to be appalled by the baiting, I'm inadvertently doing it now FFS.

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Forgive me, Budweiser clouds my judgement sometimes...

Member of the Lewis Hamilton fan club but yet to receive my customary tin foil hat.

I thought this was an interesting read.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... Laren.html

It says "INCREDIBLY, Hamilton has potentially lost 148 points this season due to mechanical and pitstop problems, while Button could have lost up to 37 points". It always shows every race where they've lost lost potential points.

I stopped reading right after points lost in Australia... Well he started 1st, but it was not the team who did him there, but it was Button. The team did cost him 2nd perhaps. Perhaps as Vettel would have taken him anyways, but sure as heck McLaren didn't need to make it easy for them. the points gap between 2nd and 3rd is not 10, so i stopped reading...

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My Top 5 drivers of all times:
1) Prost/ Schumacher
3) Fangio
4) Lauda
5) Brabham

if you don't like it, too bad! There's a reason why it says "My Top 5"

It's the Sun, I don't think anyone takes it seriously.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

I also stopped after Oz....lost points 10, Button did him up like a kipper at the start...thats LewLews mistake!

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Jenson Button
Kimi Raikkonen
Romain Grosjean
Nico Hulkenburg

Punctures, the teams fault


Doesn't mention the faulty fuel pumps were supplied by the engine supplier so nothing to do with McLaren AND as for every race they have lost potential points. What about JBs misdiagnosed gearbox in Canada?


typical slap dash sun reporting

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

You can argue about the nuances of each incident and how many points it really did cost but Lewis surely would have easily been leading at this point, if not already won it. He has easily been the best driver this year, made fewer mistakes than Alonso or Vettel and has gained immense respect from fans and critics alike after his dismal performance last year. Things can only get better for him from here on and here is to hoping that the team and the car dont fail him next year

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/11/a ... -hamilton/
James Allen :
Estimated total of lost points: 110 points

Allen is not a tabloid journalist.

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"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

Didnt you hear, some of these guys out here know more than him and not surprisingly you would find these usual suspects baiting Hamilton in every single thread and then accusing the rest of not liking other drivers. Make of that what you will

Why are we estimating the points he lost?

What about if vettel didnt have an alternator failure, are we going to estimate his points for that too. What about Alonso being RoGro'd in turn 1, can we estimate his points lost there too since it wasnt his fault.

The whole idea of this is a way of shifting blame. McLaren have had a horrible year and are looking to finish 3rd in a car that should have taken WCC and WDC but they screwed it up, they (as in everyone, team, drivers, mechanics, designers, everyone) need to take responsibility and fix it for next season.

It doesnt serve a practical purpose but puts in perspective the magnitude of errors the team or the car has had over the season for one driver. It will be foolish on anybody's part to claim that any other driver (maybe bar MS) has lost so much this season as Lewis has due to a unreliable team or car. And that is why reputed F1 journalists like James Allen have done such articles on Lewis and not any other driver.

Just one more DNF for Lewis and Jenson can beat him this year. A repeat of Abu Dhabi would see Jenson pull level.

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And this pretty much sums up this season for Jenson and Lewis.

Trouble is, unless you factor in bad luck like tyre failures etc., for other drivers as well, especially ones who were ahead of Lewis in any race, then it is merely a lopsided effort. Yes, he did lose some points, but 100 odd? it is time to get "lawyered" then...

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My Top 5 drivers of all times:
1) Prost/ Schumacher
3) Fangio
4) Lauda
5) Brabham

if you don't like it, too bad! There's a reason why it says "My Top 5"

The days of Anonymous Rosberg are coming to an end... he's gonna have a lot of haters next year judging by some posts in this thread. Schumacher fans never badmouthed Nico in this way.

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Räikkönen - Vettel - Rosberg - Bottas

This

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Well I'll do this again. to stop the argument from being lop sided you have to factor in RoGro and Seb back in . He would never have caught them Seb had something like a 20 second lead before the safety car.

So instead of running third he would be running 5th. And he would have been running fifth his tyres were no where near good enough to hold off Alonso and Kimi as we all seen passed him anyway.

Take out the collision and he would have likely been 6th as Maldo would have finished also (No collision remember) and he had the legs on him in the final laps due to the tyre problem. Like it or not he was a sitting duck in the DRS.

So thats 8 points lost not 15.

But then how far back do you go to correct the balance of misfortune?

Quali? Then you have Mark had no DRS, Fix his DRS he would have quali'd higher, we seen the pace of the Red Bulls so theres another car possible in front so from losing 15 points it's 6.


Heck if he got out got out in front of alonso they could have took each other out.



On a season where only 50% of the pole sitters have gone on to win 25 points was never guaranteed. He and Maldo could have chewed their tyres fighting handing the win to Alonso or Kimi.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

We keep saying it but they keep ignoring it because it doesn't fit what they want

If you correct scoring for Lewis's misfortune you have to for everyone else and he still wouldn't be leading the championship

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Multi 21 or Catch 22?!

It ain't hating just 'cause it's not love

I think it's sad if he needs 6 or 7 DNFs from Hamilton to be on par with him in points. This is nothing he can write home about. I would not call it beating, to profit from anothers mishaps

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"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

Lewis was a weak link this year. Inconsistent and distracted. He is no longer a sports man but a sports celebrity. He never had much focus, but now he has loads.......its just on popstardom and twitter. He is a celeb now and his utter failure this season is huge, undeniable proof of that. And just look at the reasons for his move to Merc, to tap into personal sponsorship....not the mentality of someone with their head in the game frankly.

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Aprilia RSV Mille.

Vettel , Alonso, Kimi have profited from Hamiltons mishaps & DNFs . I think it evens out their own bad luck, Hamilton has lost even so about 100 p to them

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"Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso

O'k. Can we agree that for Johnston and his buddies, what ever Hamilton does is not good enough, and walk away. I have never seen a group so determined to discredit a fellow. It either goes 2 ways. He lost loads of points and bringing up any other driver is not comparable, including Vettel as the points lost would eclipse his 2 alternator advantage. Or just be "different" and say he is not good enough. Truly I would love to know where you stand on Hamilton, Johnston. Is he crap? Is he good? Is it impossible for you to acknowledge the guy when the percentage of F1 fans think he is a top tier drive?
If Alonso had such bad (don't know what to call it when addressing you... as you make your own luck!) form, would you say he deserved it or would you deny him the fact that they would still be in the hunt has he made his own luck.
The argument that reliability has not totally crippled Hamilton's WDC is almost pythonesque. You guys say this stuff and keep a straight face when you know its bullshit, and If you don't then mate something is wrong in the state of Denmark!.
Its the same as pitting Ali against Henry Cooper, and fixing Ali's shoelaces together. Then saying it was a fair fight when Ali looses, and preventing anyone else from protesting about it.

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Jenson, Just watch your supply of hot weather hats! O'k. Good on ya.

Why not add he hunts down baby seals with a club too?
Ps you may want to look in his official thread to see why he wanted to do less Promotional work. Its as far from what you see of him as possible.

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Jenson, Just watch your supply of hot weather hats! O'k. Good on ya.