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I understand what you mean and at some point of the season every driver gets his share of DNFs. There is a "natural" rate for DNFs but, in my opinion, a team that stays as close as possible to this rate is going to get better results during a season than a team that has a lot of variance around it.

What is the natural rate of DNFs?

then how do you decide which ones to incorporate into the hypothetical world?

You can't say "Can't count Valencia for Seb it was Natural but count Singapore for Lewis because it wasn't."

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Why not add he hunts down baby seals with a club too?
Ps you may want to look in his official thread to see why he wanted to do less Promotional work. Its as far from what you see of him as possible.[/quote]
What ever you like lad. And i didn't say promotional work, I said personal sponsorship.[/quote]

I never said you did. You have absolutely no proof as to the reason for his move. So why try to discredit him?[/quote]
I'm not trying to discredit him. I'm merely stating what I perceive.[/quote]
If you are serious, about Hamilton not focused and weak limk,I don't know how to call his team mate and his team. really?
Hamilton was the best thing at McLaren 2012[/quote]
I'd say the same about the team, they seem to have lost focus, I'd say there was that classic rift between team and driver. I'd imagine Lewis felt alienated because of Jenson drawing the team around him. And to be honest, I find it hard to justify Maccas decision to support Jenson more than Lewis given Jenson's troubles this year. I'm surprised and worried that Jenson has had the trouble he has had this year despite massive team support. Its all not adding up. He'll have to justify the teams faith in him next season. Lets see how he does.

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I think mclaren finds new ways to ruin its chances of WDC and WCC... in 2007, the drivers imploded. in 2008 they won by a narrow margin.... This year they had a whole array of disasters... I wouldnt say lewis would have won the title if team wouldnt have blundered but he is atleast be fighting for it for sure!!!

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That's right

I completely get it now!

Unnatural DNF = It happened to Lewis
Natural DNF = it happened to anyone but Lewis


Very logical and helps explain why Lewis should be leading the WDC

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Multi 21 or Catch 22?!

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'McLaren's nightmare season in a nutshell' has reached page 5

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Oh and Bernie, National flags should be raised not flipped. Sort it!

Sorry to derail this, but does anybody else have "Harry Hill's TV Burp" music in their head when they read this thread title??

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I dont think is necessry to make the analysis in the hyphotetical world. A statistical analysis would be enough to conclude which teams are losing more points than others because of DNFs.

So we should wipe out the extra DNF's a driver gets over his competitors? This is F1 the pinnacle of Motorsport where technology is pushed to gain extra performance meaning things will break!

If one team breaks down less than another it's because they've not needed to push too hard to find that performance (Red Bull had such a lead last year they could be cautious in this years design and it meant at the start of the year they had lost that gap)

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Multi 21 or Catch 22?!

It ain't hating just 'cause it's not love

The very fact it didn't happen means that any points "Lost" are hypothetical. Especially when you are talking about points like Spain which are based on events before the race even started.

saying he lost 25 or 21 points is 100 percent hypothetical.

Edit: plus what do you do for the likes of Valencia? Vettel loses the Win Lewis the third. Or factor in both results at once. So it's a 1st and 4th. Then what about RJ, Maldo and even Webber.

Depending on how you decide to do it you could manipulate the results in anyway

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Lets just agree that if Hammy had a reliable car, he would still be in contention, as that may DNF's being canceled out would have eaten into the others leads. There is also a sharper edge to the races that we would have seen, more risk for Alonso and more performance needed from Vettel, the kinda had it much easier than it should have been this year.

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Jenson, Just watch your supply of hot weather hats! O'k. Good on ya.

And other peoples DNFs if cancelled out would eat into his points.

again making this whole "If hammy had" a biased argument.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

Oh completely agree, he may even have been ahead of everyone else at this point. McLaren have been shambles this year and Lewis has suffered the brunt of their incompetence under the poor leadership of Twitmarsh.

Compared to Mercedes and Ross Brawn McLaren have been brilliant, so perhaps Scumacher really should have been ahead of everyon else too?

That would obviously depend on how he had driven when he did finish a race...
And obviously some people have the uncompromising mindset to see that where you finish in F1 is down to a number of factors, including very much reliablity of the car. If say the cyclists who did so well in the Olympics had unreliable bikes, they would in some peoples totally biased eyes, be unworthy of any praise.

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Jenson, Just watch your supply of hot weather hats! O'k. Good on ya.