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Haha yes he is the master of puppets at Ferrari! Good one.

He alone made this choice and Ferrari had to make sure to fulfil his wishes. Evil genius.

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"I am a believer, but I start each Grand Prix with 195 liters of fuel behind me," he explains. "I don't rely entirely on God, I rely on Prost."

I don't think RBR would have Webber crash to give a Vettel a win either

neither that Vettel announces he is proud of that win....

see vettel fans this is what it feels like to twist the rules in your favor all the time, to cheat and yet not get caught

Yeah right! Alonso just an employee. This kind of thing just follows him around. From Renault, to McLaren (Hungary), back to Renault (Piquet Singapore) to Ferrari (Filipe is faster than you, and the 5 place grid drop).

Okay, if nothing is wrong with the gearbox, FIA doesn't allow Ferrari to switch. If gearbox fails in the race for whatever reason, can Ferrari sue FIA?

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Not a Ferrari/Alonso/Red Bull/Vettel fan. Not in the slightest. But I'd be concerned if any team didn't do this. If the rules allow it, which they currently do, then it has to be done.

It is all Alonso, look at what happened around him in Renault or in McLaren or right throughout his career. I am not against team orders but he makes a mockery of them.

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Murray Walker says this of Vettel "He could well become the greatest of all time".
Sebastian V3ttel - 3 x WDC
2010, 2011, 2012 ....

I dunno - but if they really do think the dirty side is THAT bad that he will lose places - maybe they think it worth the risk?

So last race Red Bull taking Vettles car out of Parc Ferme and changing the gear ratios (5 place grid penalty), in order to increase his top speed. But because he was already starting from pit lane he couldn't be moved back was not done to give Vettel an advantage?

What shocks me about this entire thing is the amount of people that appear to be shocked.

How long have you guys been watching F1? This is run of the mill stuff.

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"I am a believer, but I start each Grand Prix with 195 liters of fuel behind me," he explains. "I don't rely entirely on God, I rely on Prost."

Okay. You don't seem to understand this. Alonso, was HIRED by Ferrari in 2009 for the 2010 season. He is just an EMPLOYEE. He doesn't have the power, to manipulate Ferrari, or any other team for that matter. Unless, he has some super secret method of blackmailing every team he's been in to do as he say, you're talking rubbish.

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Forza Fernando !

I wouldn't hand over any place to the driver of the calibre of Alonso willingly. That is simply too risky. This clean and bad side is still educated guess. A guess.

Is Alonso had to win the championship after this it would be by far and away the least deserving WDC of all times.

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Murray Walker says this of Vettel "He could well become the greatest of all time".
Sebastian V3ttel - 3 x WDC
2010, 2011, 2012 ....

Perhaps anger should be being directed towards the fact that the potential disparity between the clean and dirty side of the grid is prompting this sort of action...

Laugh all you want.

Good point

I fail to believe that anyone could be that naive, do you really believe that Alonso would have had nothing to do with this decision, almost guaranteed it would have been his idea.

I would really hate to be an Alonso supporter right now.

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Murray Walker says this of Vettel "He could well become the greatest of all time".
Sebastian V3ttel - 3 x WDC
2010, 2011, 2012 ....

Well, I can't recall of a similar incident where a teammate has taken a grid penalty - clearly (or at least most likely) deliberately?

How can that be advantage? when car is starting in pitlane you can do anything to it. Starting from behind every1 with car setting to run infront isn't smart. But not advantage still.

Yes. Like I said before. Alonso is an employee. A driver, nothing more. Nothing less. Please show me this "guarentee" that it was his idea.

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Forza Fernando !

Is it in the spirit of the rules though? I don't think so. It will be yet another rule which the FIA will need to change to stop it happening again. I actually blame the FIA just as much as Ferrari for this. Allowing the 'dirty' side become so much of an issue and allowing a rule to be abused in such a ridiculous way.

Before the days of Twitter, we would not know. It may be done on a regular basis

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I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book.

Marx (Groucho)

Well he co-signed it... So he's just as responsible for it - he could have said "don't do it", but then again, we don't know he didn't.

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PLAY A RECORD KARL COS I'M GUNNA KNOCK YOU OUT!!!

Of course its not in the spirit of the rules. But its nothing new. Vettel's Abu Dhabi incident was a prime example of taking advantage of discrepencies in the rules and was just as unsporting IMO.

Everyone does it. Do I like it? Not one bit. Will it ever be stopped? Nope!

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Would any driver in that situation disagreed with the idea?

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Forza Fernando !

Santander is paying Ferrari a lot of money to keep Alonso happy. Alonso is leading the team, what he wants is the road where Ferrari will walk.
Ofc it wasn't just Alonso idea, but i don't think Massa didn't play a part of decide anything. Many ex-staff who have worked with Alonso have said that Alonso knows everything that happens in team and put his mark on anything. Wouldn't tho be suprised that Alonso was the first one to say this in Ferrari team meeting.

Im hearing reports that Alonso broke the gearbox seal when nobody was looking and Ferrari now have no choice but to pretend it was their strategy.

Like that's the worst call a team has ever made.

This would be a big deal if it was even "cheating".

There have been cases of people changing their driver's qualy times, Tyrrell's lead-filled water tanks, so many things down through the years.

And a within-the-rules gearbox change to aid their only WDC challenger is the worst thing you guys have come across? Get off your high horses, F1 has never been a clean sport. Manipulation of the rules has existed since the 50s. And so has blatant cheating, which this isn't.

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"I am a believer, but I start each Grand Prix with 195 liters of fuel behind me," he explains. "I don't rely entirely on God, I rely on Prost."

No, but with the greatest respect the spirit of the rules don't mean dick.

You're right that the FIA will likely change the rules as a result of this, but that decision needs to be made carefully. No set of rules can allow for all possible loopholes, and at the same time changing the rules to close one hole will likely open up at least one more. This is quite a unique situation we have today, so it might not even require a rule change.

As I've already hinted at, the real issue here is the potential disparity between sides of the grid.

If this penalty option is available, then I'd expect any team to make the most of their options, particularly if the WDC/WCC is up for grabs.

It may be genius but it makes a farce of Formula 1, what is the point of qualifying if you can shuffle the grid afterwards if you feel like it, Ferrari have just made qualifying a waste of time for me

Are double diffusers or flexi wings in the spirit of the rules?

Sticking to the non-existent "spirit of the rules" won't get you anywhere in F1. Ferrari's design department has found that out the hard way.

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"I am a believer, but I start each Grand Prix with 195 liters of fuel behind me," he explains. "I don't rely entirely on God, I rely on Prost."

If no one was looking how can you blame Alonso

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I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book.

Marx (Groucho)

Point may have already been made...

Vettel seems to profit week in week out from a sister team...all is fair in world of the FIA

This division of Ferrari has one objective, that is to win championships, there are two drivers employed to drive in the races with Alonso being their preferred driver, he is not just any employee.

Anyhow if you do believe that he had nothing to do with this decision then that is your prerogative.

I just would not want to be an Alonso supporter, especially after this.

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Murray Walker says this of Vettel "He could well become the greatest of all time".
Sebastian V3ttel - 3 x WDC
2010, 2011, 2012 ....

I doubt the rule wil change. It is a disadvantage, as is starting from the pits.

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I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book.

Marx (Groucho)

How?

I would love to see Alonso win the world title just to piss off people like you who's hatred of a guy (Alonso) is almost scary, its like he has done something personally in your life. You need to get a grip mate.

Oh, come on! RBR would never do such a thing as what Ferrari did today. Only they can stoop solow and what's more, get away with it.

In Brazil 2010 RBR gave no team orders when Vettel was leading in Brazil and Webber running second when the Aussie had a substantial points lead over his teammate. RBR could not have known at that stage that Vettel would be on pole in the next race in Abu Dhabi, much less go on to win it. With Alonso leading the group, it would have been in their interest to ask Vettel to let Webber through in Brazil and yet they did not do it.

I have lost what little respect I had for Massa. He has lost all pride and allowed himself to be a lapdog for the money. This is out and out cheating and I hope that Alonso crashes out of the race. He no longer deserves to win the title.

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Vettel / Raikkonen / Button

Cheap move by Ferrari. I feel really sad for Massa. He did a good job in qualy only to be destroyed just because Master Alonso can move a place up in the grid.