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This topic is so offensive that I just didn't read anything else.

Massa is lucky to have such a good seat. His overall performance these past few years has been very mixed.

Im sure he got the 2013 contract on the basis that he would be a team player. He is the #2 driver in Ferrari, deal with it.

lol, eat more and more chicans....

LOL You can't be this naive, can you?

LOL You can't be this (add your pejorative word), can you?

But for usage of a common brain... How can you tell that Massa is crap and "crawling on his four to beg a drive" this kind of reasoning is the dumbest ofball dumbnesses.

Ferrari allowed one of their drivers to take over and build a team around him and ignored the other one. This is a stupid choice because the team does have a cance winning the constructor championship because you need 2 cars competing for the points.

Ferrari is lucky to be on second position on WCC if Grosjean would not crash that much this year they would be behind Lotus as a team as well as McLaren have lost on their own troubles. This all is about a lack of being a team.

Last time around when they were a team was 2007 when Kimi clinched his WDC but they were even more a team during Shuey years where they cruised in 1-2 position Every race. In racing you want your preferred guy to get 1st and the second guy2nd to take away points from the competition.

Ferrari has totally failed on this during Alonso-era... They gone all in on WDC, failed and forgot about the WCC which pays the millions... Even morethan Santander

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Does anyone believe that Massa had a choice? I strongly suspect the team came to him and informed him that they were going to break the seal on his gearbox in order to benefit Alonso.

And Massa did not go down in disgrace, those who actually watched and remember the weekend know that 1) Massa qualified better than Alonso and 2) he moved up the field more than Alonso did.

Anyways, when you are part of a "team", and get paid €10m, what other outcome can anyone expect?

Massa's performances in the last half of the year have more than merited his driver at Ferrari for 2013. He's found something in himself again, something that has been missing since 2010. Next year will most likely be his last in a top car but if he can continue the kind of form he;s shown late this year then he'll go out on a big high.

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you guys moaning havent a clue.

it says to me hes very employable as a driver, I said weeks ago massa is a great #2.

if he disobeyed orders he would be out of F1.

Self respect is above anything else, having said that I also appreciate Massa's temperament, the guy keep his head down and keep calm and cool, if he retaliate he was going to loose his seat and with that one more short at WDC next year.

I would again hope he could stay well ahead of Alonso next year to make the team and Alonso realize that he is a potent force to mess with and despite all the handicaps he could emerge victorious.

I personally like him and Rubens but both the Brazilian are unable to win a single WDC after so many efforts, so hoping that Massa could do it in 2013.

In the second last race, every driver/team would have done what massa did.

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Massa wasn't too happy about it. But Ferrari effectively ruined his reputation. It's amazing how a team can back you one year then leave you all alone in the next. No respect for the Ferrari snakes at all. He complies with it only because it's the only top seat available to him.

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"Mark, Vettel is faster than you"
"Yeah but I'm in front mate"

Let him win next year then maybe we could hear about this story from him

Felipe Massa has been backed by Ferrari throughout his entire career.

They got him his first seat at Sauber in 2002. He was ditched for 2003 when Ferrari took him on as a test driver. Ferrari then got him a seat at Sauber again for 2004 & 2005 before hiring him to drive their own cars from 2006 onwards.

No Ferrari backing = No F1 career for Felipe Massa.

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"I am a believer, but I start each Grand Prix with 195 liters of fuel behind me," he explains. "I don't rely entirely on God, I rely on Prost."

I so agree. Ferrari management is at fault here not supporting the #2 enough and destroying his image.

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Not just Massa's image but Ferrari's image as well

How does it affect Massas image?

Everyone knows he would have had no say in it.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

That's why i believe Alonso is overrated by media etc. Alonso needs the #1 status more then any other racer on the grid to win races and why people call Alonso the most complete racer is a mistery to me and don't come with so called out perform the car nonsense because it is nonsense

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So why does Alonso need #1 status in the first place if he is considered the most complete driver like his fans & media claim ?

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and then again where is Alonso's self respect ?

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True he have no say but it affects his image and value

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I doubt it due to his image and value not being all that high in the first place. And I suspect other teams have noted what a valuable team player Massa can be at times.

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"I am a believer, but I start each Grand Prix with 195 liters of fuel behind me," he explains. "I don't rely entirely on God, I rely on Prost."

How so? Alonso has won 3 races this season, where Massa finished 15th, 16th & 12th respectively. Not entirely sure how Massa was helping him from so far back.

In fact, you have to go back to Germany 2010 in order to pick out a race that Massa helped Alonso win. Alonso has won 6 GPs since.

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"I am a believer, but I start each Grand Prix with 195 liters of fuel behind me," he explains. "I don't rely entirely on God, I rely on Prost."

Its time for Massa to ram Vettel off the track, he is closer to him and will never get his chance again

Have you been sleeping under a rock or something?
We mostly discuss the support of one driver results in no support for the other driver. Massa has been molested by the team. Maybe they realized that this is a team sport and they need to support two drivers all the way through.

Maybe Luca has run out of patience... Still it's Kimi who have the latest champ with the team.

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