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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:28 pm 
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Hoho, lets see Jonno or SilverSR, Mr-E or any other pro Buttoners get out of those stats...


Wow.. Joined yesterday and have 30+ posts basically all about Jenson or Lewis.. What's your duplicate account?

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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Lewis Vs Jenson :-P

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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Okay

Lewis 12

Button 6



6 not bad, tell me was Jenson ahead of Lewis in any of the retirements in the race? I kinda doubt he was, where as alot of hamilton's retirements Jenson has benefited from


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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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Johnston wrote:
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No idea, go work it out for us :D



Okay

Lewis 12

Button 6


I make the count 12-7 in straight up retirements.

7-7 If you exclude cases were it was the driver themselves was at fault.

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Hamilton
2010
Spa- Car Failure - Ahead of Button
Hun- Car Failure - Ahead of Button
Ita- Collision with Massa - Behind Button
Sing- Collision with Webber - Ahead of Button

2011
Can- Collision with Button - Behind Button
Bel- Collison with Kobayashi - Behind Button
Bra- Car Failure - Behind Button

2012
Eur- Collision with Maldonado (50/50) - Ahead of Button
Bel- Collision with Grosjean (blameless) - Behind Button
Sin- Car Failure - Ahead of Button
Abu- Car failure - Ahead of Button

Button
2010
Mon- Car Failure- Behind Hamilton
Bel- Collision with Vettel (blameless) - Behind Hamilton

2011
Bri- Car Failure - Ahead of Hamilton
Ger- Car Failure - Behind Hamilton

2012
Bah- Car Failure - Ahead of Hamilton
Ita- Car Failure - Behind Hamilton
Kor- Collision with Kobayashi (blameless) - Behind Hamilton

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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H-Holloway wrote:
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No idea, go work it out for us :D



Okay

Lewis 12

Button 6


I make the count 11-6 in straight up retirements.

7-6 If you exclude cases were it was the driver themselves was at fault.

EDIT: Writing a more detailed rundown..give me a sec.



If you are writing a more detailed rundown answer this question " Was Jenson ahead of Lewis in any of the retirements in the race? I kinda doubt he was, where as alot of hamilton's retirements Jenson has benefited from


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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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So Jenson had 6 retirements

Monza 2011 - Behind Lewis
Spa 2010 - Behind Lewis
Monaco 2010 - Behind Lewis
Monaco 2012 - Behind Lewis
Germany 2011 - Behind Lewis
British 2011 - Behind Lewis

Say's it all, Lewis benefited from none


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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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H-Holloway wrote:
2012
Eur- Collision with Maldonado (50/50) - Ahead of Button


Not to be picky, but a little harsh giving that a 50/50 isn't it? After all if memory serves Maldondo picked up a 20 second penalty for that bit of fun. There is an argument maybe that Hamilton could have just let him through, but even so equal blame is pushing it a bit. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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MclarenBullet wrote:
So Jenson had 6 retirements

Monza 2011 - Behind Lewis
Spa 2010 - Behind Lewis
Monaco 2010 - Behind Lewis
Monaco 2012 - Behind Lewis
Germany 2011 - Behind Lewis
British 2011 - Behind Lewis

Say's it all, Lewis benefited from none


In terms of benefit I think its 5-2 in Lewis's favour.

Button benefited from Lewis's retirements (Only including ones out of his control) in Spain 2010, Hungary 2010, Europe 2012, Singapore 2012 and Abu Dhabi. While Hamilton has only benefited when Button retired in the Britain 2011 and in Bahrain 2012.

EDIT: I got a couple of years wrong due to brain fade.

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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H-Holloway wrote:
Johnston wrote:
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No idea, go work it out for us :D



Okay

Lewis 12

Button 6


I make the count 12-7 in straight up retirements.

7-7 If you exclude cases were it was the driver themselves was at fault.

EDIT:

Hamilton
2010
Spa- Car Failure - Ahead of Button
Hun- Car Failure - Ahead of Button
Ita- Collision with Massa - Behind Button
Sing- Collision with Webber - Ahead of Button

2011
Can- Collision with Button - Behind Button
Bel- Collison with Kobayashi - Behind Button
Bra- Car Failure - Behind Button

2012
Eur- Collision with Maldonado (50/50) - Ahead of Button
Bel- Collision with Grosjean (blameless) - Behind Button
Sin- Car Failure - Ahead of Button
Abu- Car failure - Ahead of Button

Button
2010
Mon- Car Failure- Behind Hamilton
Bel- Collision with Vettel (blameless) - Behind Hamilton

2011
Bri- Car Failure - Ahead of Hamilton -
Ger- Car Failure - Behind Hamilton

2012
Bah- Car Failure - Ahead of Hamilton -
Ita- Car Failure - Behind Hamilton
Kor- Collision with Kobayashi (blameless) - Behind Hamilton


British 2011 GP - Ahead of Hamilton 2011 - WRONG!!!!

Bel- Collison with Kobayashi - Behind Button - WRONG!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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Lojik wrote:
H-Holloway wrote:
2012
Eur- Collision with Maldonado (50/50) - Ahead of Button


Not to be picky, but a little harsh giving that a 50/50 isn't it? After all if memory serves Maldondo picked up a 20 second penalty for that bit of fun. There is an argument maybe that Hamilton could have just let him through, but even so equal blame is pushing it a bit. :)


True, it appears I did not recall the incident exactly and watching it back, while I think for the sake of points Hamilton should be yielded a tad earlier, he should not have to yield just because Maldonado couldn't overtake him without running him into the wall. Hamilton while not blameless for his fate, was not the one actually at fault, made the choice to defend, rolled the dice, unfortunately ended up in the barrier as Mad-Mald steamed through.

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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2 bans and a lot of bashing later, I see people are starting to calm down.

To the majority, thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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H-Holloway wrote:
MclarenBullet wrote:
So Jenson had 6 retirements

Monza 2011 - Behind Lewis
Spa 2010 - Behind Lewis
Monaco 2010 - Behind Lewis
Monaco 2012 - Behind Lewis
Germany 2011 - Behind Lewis
British 2011 - Behind Lewis

Say's it all, Lewis benefited from none


In terms of benefit I think its 5-2 in Lewis's favour.

Button benefited from Lewis's retirements (Only including ones out of his control) in Spain 2010, Hungary 2010, Europe 2012, Singapore 2010 and Abu Dhabi. While Hamilton has only benefited when Button retired in the Britain 2012 and in Bahrain 2012.


Missing Singapore this year aswell fella ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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MclarenBullet wrote:
H-Holloway wrote:
Johnston wrote:
MclarenBullet wrote:
No idea, go work it out for us :D



Okay

Lewis 12

Button 6


I make the count 12-7 in straight up retirements.

7-7 If you exclude cases were it was the driver themselves was at fault.

SNIP



British 2011 GP - Ahead of Hamilton 2011 - WRONG!!!!

Bel- Collison with Kobayashi - Behind Button - WRONG!!!!


Upon further investigation you are right about Spa, I forgot that race Button had to start way down the field due to a mistake on the pitwall in Q2, so when Ham-Kob collided Button was in 11th still. I remembered Button ended up third but forgot the circumstance.

Britain though I am fairly sure he was exiting the pits just behind Mark Webber to claim forth place ahead of Hamilton and Massa who were duelling for fifth and sixth.

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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MclarenBullet wrote:
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So Jenson had 6 retirements

Monza 2011 - Behind Lewis
Spa 2010 - Behind Lewis
Monaco 2010 - Behind Lewis
Monaco 2012 - Behind Lewis
Germany 2011 - Behind Lewis
British 2011 - Behind Lewis

Say's it all, Lewis benefited from none


In terms of benefit I think its 5-2 in Lewis's favour.

Button benefited from Lewis's retirements (Only including ones out of his control) in Spain 2010, Hungary 2010, Europe 2012, Singapore 2010 and Abu Dhabi. While Hamilton has only benefited when Button retired in the Britain 2012 and in Bahrain 2012.


Missing Singapore this year aswell fella ;)


Ah, I meant Singapore 2012 not 2010 since I hold that Hamilton was at fault there since he collided with Webber.

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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Lewis beat Jenson 10-3 in 2010 too, not 9-3. Abu Dhabi was missed.

The 3 being his two wet/dry wins when he was running behind Lewis but played excellent gambles on the tyres and beat him and won the race himself. Japan when Lewis was 15 seconds up the road in the laster stages of the race but started losing gears and fell back. 2010 was more of a landslide than 2012 in Lewis' favour.

Often forgotten, Jenson won 2 of his first 4 Mclaren races by perfectly timing his pit stops and driving well in changing conditions. Since then he was won 5 races, Lewis 10.

In fact if you look at it, Jenson was absolutely no where near Lewis until the middle of 2011 and had a run of about 9-10 races that he sometimes beat/matched or narrowly lost to Lewis. A period in which Lewis had 5 on track collisions and 6 penalties. Very poor form from Lewis. Other than that golden period he has been comfortably behind in the other 50 races baring the odd race in 10.

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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In fact if you look at it, Jenson was absolutely no where near Lewis until the middle of 2011 and had a run of about 9-10 races that he sometimes beat/matched or narrowly lost to Lewis. A period in which Lewis had 5 on track collisions and 6 penalties. Very poor form from Lewis. Other than that golden period he has been comfortably behind in the other 50 races baring the odd race in 10.

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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H-Holloway wrote:
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No idea, go work it out for us :D



Okay

Lewis 12

Button 6


I make the count 12-7 in straight up retirements.

7-7 If you exclude cases were it was the driver themselves was at fault.



Cheers I'll take your word for it I maybe missed a classified DNF somewhere.

I guess then those 5 for Lewis mean it was his fault he was out?

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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H-Holloway wrote:
MclarenBullet wrote:
H-Holloway wrote:
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So Jenson had 6 retirements

Monza 2011 - Behind Lewis
Spa 2010 - Behind Lewis
Monaco 2010 - Behind Lewis
Monaco 2012 - Behind Lewis
Germany 2011 - Behind Lewis
British 2011 - Behind Lewis

Say's it all, Lewis benefited from none


In terms of benefit I think its 5-2 in Lewis's favour.

Button benefited from Lewis's retirements (Only including ones out of his control) in Spain 2010, Hungary 2010, Europe 2012, Singapore 2010 and Abu Dhabi. While Hamilton has only benefited when Button retired in the Britain 2012 and in Bahrain 2012.


Missing Singapore this year aswell fella ;)


Ah, I meant Singapore 2012 not 2010 since I hold that Hamilton was at fault there since he collided with Webber.


Impressive in that Jenson has not had an at fault retirement and a big part of why he has managed to stay so close to Lewis in total points, Lewis could learn (hopefully has looking at 2012) from that he has cost himself easily 100 points in retirement from silly collisions. Not to mention the ones that did not force retirements too.

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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Johnston wrote:
H-Holloway wrote:
Johnston wrote:
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No idea, go work it out for us :D



Okay

Lewis 12

Button 6


I make the count 12-7 in straight up retirements.

7-7 If you exclude cases were it was the driver themselves was at fault.



Cheers I'll take your word for it I maybe missed a classified DNF somewhere.

I guess then those 5 for Lewis mean it was his fault he was out?


I actually responded to you thinking you have to many...but then I remembered more and more and soon our numbers had converged, but I had made the effort to type it out so posted anyway.

Might you have missed Bahrain 2012 for Button? Since he had a classified finish there after he DNF'd from 6th(?) following a puncture. Also I just remembered I could bring that total to 8 since Button had a classified finish at Monaco 2012 but he still retired...but I guess we don't like to talk about that debacle :P

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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In fact if you look at it, Jenson was absolutely no where near Lewis until the middle of 2011 and had a run of about 9-10 races that he sometimes beat/matched or narrowly lost to Lewis. A period in which Lewis had 5 on track collisions and 6 penalties. Very poor form from Lewis. Other than that golden period he has been comfortably behind in the other 50 races baring the odd race in 10.


These Fans of Button are like Mitt Romney and his supporters....One good debate performance and they think that entitle them to win the elections.....some how there breif win should surpass everything

so Button beating or equaling Lewis for 30% of time means he has held his own,means that no one really rates Button that highly


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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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C'mon guys this thread is useless. Lewis drove better this year and won fair and square, Jenson hasn't been as good but has been solid nontheless.

2-1, was fun while it lasted with great drivers and rubbish fans on both ways.


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H-Holloway wrote:
Johnston wrote:
H-Holloway wrote:
Johnston wrote:
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No idea, go work it out for us :D



Okay

Lewis 12

Button 6


I make the count 12-7 in straight up retirements.

7-7 If you exclude cases were it was the driver themselves was at fault.



Cheers I'll take your word for it I maybe missed a classified DNF somewhere.

I guess then those 5 for Lewis mean it was his fault he was out?

... since Button had a classified finish at Monaco 2012 but he still retired...but I guess we don't like to talk about that debatable :P


I think those intentional retirements have been ignored, the same as Lewis' Germany 2012 "retirement" has been ignored even though he was officially a DNF.

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M.Nader -DODZ- wrote:
C'mon guys this thread is useless. Lewis drove better this year and won fair and square, Jenson hasn't been as good but has been solid nontheless.

2-1, was fun while it lasted with great drivers and rubbish fans on both ways.


You were sticking to it was debatable if Jenson had had a better 2012 than Lewis just last week race? What changed your mind.

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H-Holloway wrote:
Johnston wrote:
H-Holloway wrote:
Johnston wrote:
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No idea, go work it out for us :D



Okay

Lewis 12

Button 6


I make the count 12-7 in straight up retirements.

7-7 If you exclude cases were it was the driver themselves was at fault.



Cheers I'll take your word for it I maybe missed a classified DNF somewhere.

I guess then those 5 for Lewis mean it was his fault he was out?


I actually responded to you thinking you have to many...but then I remembered more and more and soon our numbers had converged, but I had made the effort to type it out so posted anyway.

Might you have missed Bahrain 2012 for Button? Since he had a classified finish there after he DNF'd from 6th(?) following a puncture. Also I just remembered I could bring that total to 8 since Button had a classified finish at Monaco 2012 but he still retired...but I guess we don't like to talk about that debatable :P


God knows I just used Wiki for a brain refresh it must miss the odd Classified. Or I just missed something.

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lamo wrote:
H-Holloway wrote:
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So Jenson had 6 retirements

Monza 2011 - Behind Lewis
Spa 2010 - Behind Lewis
Monaco 2010 - Behind Lewis
Monaco 2012 - Behind Lewis
Germany 2011 - Behind Lewis
British 2011 - Behind Lewis

Say's it all, Lewis benefited from none


In terms of benefit I think its 5-2 in Lewis's favour.

Button benefited from Lewis's retirements (Only including ones out of his control) in Spain 2010, Hungary 2010, Europe 2012, Singapore 2010 and Abu Dhabi. While Hamilton has only benefited when Button retired in the Britain 2012 and in Bahrain 2012.


Missing Singapore this year aswell fella ;)


Ah, I meant Singapore 2012 not 2010 since I hold that Hamilton was at fault there since he collided with Webber.


Impressive in that Jenson has not had an at fault retirement and a big part of why he has managed to stay so close to Lewis in total points, Lewis could learn (hopefully has looking at 2012) from that he has cost himself easily 100 points in retirement from silly collisions. Not to mention the ones that did not force retirements too.


Indeed, Jenson likes to keep his nose clean.

2010 Lewis made two errors at Monza and Singapore, both of them were in all fairness utterly marginal lapses in judgement that while being his fault, could have happened to anyone in a similar position. Sad to think that if not for these errors, Lewis would have been champion, but at the same time, if not for Korea Wibbah could have been champion, if not for Spa Alonso could have been champion and if not for Aus/Bah/Korea Vettel would have had it in the bag etc.

However I think 2011 is an anomaly for Lewis and that is where most blame can be put at his door for self-inflicted DNFs and penalties etc.

Lewis went AWOL for whatever reason and it was quite uncharacteristic in the grand scheme of things. But this year he has been faultless, its a shame to see him stepping out of a potentially championship challenging team when he is at such a high in form and into Mercedes.

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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lamo wrote:
M.Nader -DODZ- wrote:
C'mon guys this thread is useless. Lewis drove better this year and won fair and square, Jenson hasn't been as good but has been solid nontheless.

2-1, was fun while it lasted with great drivers and rubbish fans on both ways.


You were sticking to it was debatable if Jenson had had a better 2012 than Lewis just last week race? What changed your mind.


Never really meant so, i think you misunderstood.

All i was saying (and still think it) is that both had equal misfortunes (since i blame JB's setup problems on the team). now given my opinion Lewis still has more points than JB so it is simple really that Lewis drove better with both having equal misfortune. No what ifs or anything what happened happened and Lewis finished ahead. Last week there was a chance Jenson could pass him in the WDC table, now not, due to Lewis driving superbly.

I don't believe in luck and that is why i was saying that my mind won't change whatever happens in those last 2 races, Jenson had his misfortune in Quali and Lewis won and i won't say Jenson suffered more over the season than Lewis (given that last week i thought they were equal on that regard). and i also won't say the opposite if Lewis has a DNF in Brazil.

I still hold both on high regards and see them as equals (even if it had ended 2-1 in favor of Button).

Anyhow that is what changed my mind, you may disagree with me that Jenson's setup issues are on the team or not or whether i am correct to judge on points basis or not but this is the methodology i use based on my knowledge and experience and have reasons for it, and using it Lewis came out on top so he won that side of the teammate battle for me.

There are other ways i will want to look at their time together but i will reserve that till the season ends (and will regard both as equals whatever the data shows). either way Lewis has won 2-1 to his favor.


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In fact if you look at it, Jenson was absolutely no where near Lewis until the middle of 2011 and had a run of about 9-10 races that he sometimes beat/matched or narrowly lost to Lewis. A period in which Lewis had 5 on track collisions and 6 penalties. Very poor form from Lewis. Other than that golden period he has been comfortably behind in the other 50 races baring the odd race in 10.


These Fans of Button are like Mitt Romney and his supporters....One good debate performance and they think that entitle them to win the elections.....some how there breif win should surpass everything

so Button beating or equaling Lewis for 30% of time means he has held his own,means that no one really rates Button that highly


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H-Holloway wrote:
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H-Holloway wrote:
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No idea, go work it out for us :D



Okay

Lewis 12

Button 6


I make the count 12-7 in straight up retirements.

7-7 If you exclude cases were it was the driver themselves was at fault.

SNIP



British 2011 GP - Ahead of Hamilton 2011 - WRONG!!!!

Bel- Collison with Kobayashi - Behind Button - WRONG!!!!


Upon further investigation you are right about Spa, I forgot that race Button had to start way down the field due to a mistake on the pitwall in Q2, so when Ham-Kob collided Button was in 11th still. I remembered Button ended up third but forgot the circumstance.

Britain though I am fairly sure he was exiting the pits just behind Mark Webber to claim forth place ahead of Hamilton and Massa who were duelling for fifth and sixth.


That's wrong mate, Jenson was P3 before making his final stop, Lewis was P6 after making his final stop 10 seconds behind so Jenson would of come out behind Lewis.


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did you saw,jenson didnt want shake hand with lewis on team foto.


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did you saw,jenson didnt want shake hand with lewis on team foto.

Link Or photo?

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How any team mates have actually beaten Lewis again, I forget? :]


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did you saw,jenson didnt want shake hand with lewis on team foto.

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:32 pm 
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H-Holloway wrote:
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2010
Ita- Collision with Massa - Behind Button

2012
Bel- Collision with Grosjean (blameless) - Behind Button

Button
2012
Bah- Car Failure - Ahead of Hamilton

My 2 cents on a few of these:
Ita 2010 was a first lap incident after 3 corners.
Belgium 2012 was a first corner incident.
Bahrain 2012 Lewis was behind but because McLaren screwed up both stops for Lewis and by a huge margin each time. Lewis was running P3 behind Vettel and RoGRo if I remember correctly before his first stop.


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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:46 pm 
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I don't kow what this beancounting, should bring. Hamilton beat Buton in their time together

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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maxtnt wrote:
dave_the_fish wrote:
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did you saw,jenson didnt want shake hand with lewis on team foto.

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watch the post race f1 sky



I've just watched it. Lewis doesn't even reach out to shake JBs hand. JB is clapping as Lewis makes his entrance, whilst he is clapping Lewis shakes hands with the guys behind JB making his way down the line (JB is sitting at the front as they always do so he reaches over him) and takes his position at the front.

Total non story.

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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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I think all Jenson fans and Lewis fans should all realize these discussions are coming to an end now as they will no longer be team mates.

All these heated debates will stop, feel the sadness of that. take a moment and thank everyone for providing some entertainment between races.

Good show all involved!!! I salute you!

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stevey wrote:
I think all Jenson fans and Lewis fans should all realize these discussions are coming to an end now as they will no longer be team mates.

All these heated debates will stop, feel the sadness of that. take a moment and thank everyone for providing some entertainment between races.

Good show all involved!!! I salute you!

HAZAAR


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 Post subject: Re: Lewis 2 - Jenson 1
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carnt stand button, it really pains me when he joined mclaren, he's a sly bigheaded git. I've followed mclaren for years but not now, ill only go back when whit marsh and button gos..........just my honest opinion lads.


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