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Apologies if this has already been posted - but I thought it was a good run-down of why the move was a-ok.

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/new ... rand-Prix-

What do the rules dictate when a driver goes off the throttle that obviously?

I believe the precedent is Senna in 1993 also at Brazil. They give the driver a penalty and he takes it.

My god, this thread is the perfect example of why I made a conscious decision to drastically reduce my activity on this forum. Smashing your head against a brick wall doesn't quite cover it.

Seb passed JEV after he passed a green flag (a green flag that is for everyone on track, if someone is coming out of the pit lane while a car is coming along on track, that marshal does display a blue flag), and before he passed any other yellow flags/lights, even though the light board up the end of the straight is actually a green light.

That map only shows sector delineation that correlates to where the light boards are positioned, marshals' posts are more frequent. If you're not meant to follow their instructions, what's the point of them waiving flags?

And the dash lights also correlate to the positioning of the light boards, so don't change passing a manual indicator (waiving flag), regardless, officially they are irrelevant.

Long and short, Seb's done nothing wrong in this race.

Even the FIA, who admittedly are slightly less than reputable when it comes to such things, have said that there is no case to answer.

But it doesn't matter anyway. As someone mentioned a while ago, forever more ignorant people (for that read "most people who aren't hardcore fans") will, when discussing Vettel, insist "ah! But he didn't actually win that 3rd title".

Some well meaning person posted a youtube video clearing up issues raised by the TV, thought they'd found a genuine breach of the rules, but they got it wrong, like the TV had, they missed the crucial piece of evidence. The world and his wife jumped on this conspiracy theory bandwagon, Ferrari added a little touch to it, only a wee hint, but just enough to encourage the speculation. And that's all the majority of people will ever remember.

This thread shows that even some people who are big enough fans to use an F1 forum can't understand the facts of the situation, let alone the rest of the world. Shame.

Ferrari finally concede that Vettel overtook legally but now they are planning another appeal

Ferrari finally concede that Vettel overtook legally but now they are planning another appeal

There has to be a definite end to every race. Far as I'm concerned, the race classification should be decided before the podium ceremony. Whatever protests there are have to come in within 5 minutes of the race ending, all the rulings obtained within the next 5-10 minutes, and egregious protests should be noted and stewards be given the latitude to deduct constructor points. This is insane. There is no other major sporting event I am aware of that remains undecided when the lights go off.

Bernie said that by the time Ferrari made the appeal, the deadline for race protests had already gone by.

True, but the FIA has the right to change the race classification until the end of November even if no protest is filed. Besides, when there is a podium ceremony (which is for the benefit of the fans), it would be nice if it had some final meaning.

Brazil 2003 come into mind, wouldn't have been right towards Fisichella if Kimi had got that win.

Brazil 2003 come into mind, wouldn't have been right towards Fisichella if Kimi had got that win.

Ferrari finally concede that Vettel overtook legally but now they are planning another appeal

"Well done Seb. Fantastic job, great drive."

I Thinks we need this to calm everyone down!!!!!

The only remaining question I'd like to have answered is this: what is the evidence that there was a marshall waving a green flag and where did this information come from, and when?

I'm not stirring, but that's the only thing that I haven't seen adequately covered so far. Those arguing that Vettel passed after a green waving flag are of course assuming (despite no objective / visible evidence) that there was a green flag waving from the marshalls' post. Was it the FIA who said there was a marshall waving a green flag there (and how did they know if all their computerised info told them otherwise)? Did the marshall say he was waving a green flag? Or did Vettel say it?

Ferrari finally concede that Vettel overtook legally but now they are planning another appeal

Seriously? The flag is seen on the onboard video from Vettel's car before the overtake. Do yourself a favor and please see the posts at the beginning of this thread before talking nonsense.

Firstly, I'm not talking nonsense. Secondly, I'm not about to wade through 13 pages of tripe. Thirdly, the links to graphics which are apparenlty show a green flag no longer work. Fourthly, even if they did work, most people can't seem to be able to see it. So I'd like to see it with my own eyes. As yet I've not seen it.

So instead of being an *******, try being helpful and polite.

If you cared to quicky scan the thirteen pages of tripe, you'd find download links, GIFs that still work plus photos that show a green flag. If you can't be bothered to do that, you really expect people to trawl through the same thirteen pages and find them for you?

No need for any rudeness.

what is the original objective source of evidence used by the FIA which caused them to assert that there is no case to answer (and no grounds for any investigation)?

The FIA can see the green flag, other team owners can see the green flag, the majority of the people on here can see it but you can't so ergo there is no proof.

It is not hard really....

Oh for pete's sake.. some people's attitude on here. I'm not an idiot. I asked to be corrected if I was wrong, but from what others had written when posting this image before, it seemed that this was from the lap before the incident. Is that the case?