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Perhaps the official timers are testing too... practicing giving Seb pole position week in week out

"oh look! we can make him go 13 seconds quicker!"

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:22 am 
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Yeaaaaaahhh! Mercedes beat their lap total


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The Vettel time made me laugh, I wonder if the other teams for a split second went "WTF!!!!"


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woah, hello Massa only 8 laps in and put in a 1m19.005s


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Rosberg does a 1m19.167s (+0.162) of Massa's time


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Perhaps the official timers are testing too... practicing giving Seb pole position week in week out

"oh look! we can make him go 13 seconds quicker!"

and you can tell it is testing as they intended to to 1.3 seconds ... damn intern!

edit: they really have something going on there...

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The timing screens at the circuit briefly credited Valtteri Bottas with a 1m18s lap there. It's now been revised to 18 minutes - it was his first lap out of the pits after a spell in the garage.

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Whats the live timings link, I want to see Rosbergs last ten lap times so i can work out if he's doing long runs or quick laps with a slow out lap etc


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:52 am 
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Whats the live timings link, I want to see Rosbergs last ten lap times so i can work out if he's doing long runs or quick laps with a slow out lap etc


http://f1tests.info/2013.php?rev=on


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:57 am 
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Rosberg 1m19.004s (0.001) quicker than Massa


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Did grosjean take this long to come out on tuesday or is Kimi just not happy with the ice cream button?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:19 am 
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Buttons now come out as well and sets a good lap time for his first run 1:19:834 - of course we dont know the details of the run but its still information


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stevey wrote:
Buttons now come out as well and sets a good lap time for his first run 1:19:834 - of course we dont know the details of the run but its still information


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I'd say it's data, not information. Information is deduced from interpreting data and giving meaning to it. :)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:24 am 
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red flag...

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Red flag, Pic has stopped.
Edit, just before turn 2 so the session shouldn't be stopped for too long.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:29 am 
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BBC F1 technical analyst Gary Anderson in Jerez

"Felipe Massa's Ferrari made its first appearance at the top of the timesheets earlier this morning after two days of data-gathering. The car has actually been setting decent times all through the test but it doesn't look as consistent as the Lotus. At the moment, the Ferrari has the same problem as the Red Bull - once the front washes away, the driver can't get it back. Whereas the Lotus is much more pliable. However, it's clear from the times he was setting and the pattern of his runs that for a lot of his laps on Wednesday, Lotus's Romain Grosjean did not have a lot of fuel on board, and the fuel load has a dramatic effect on car behaviour."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21360298

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What's up with Lotus? :?

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I think Ferrari and Red Bull are the ones in best shape. The Lotus could be quick on one lap pace though. Should be a four way scrap at the front at the start of the season between Lotus, Ferrari, Red Bull and McLaren with Sauber nipping at the heels hopefully. Who knows how Williams will do. Force India look about where they normally are and Mercedes haven't done enough running to tell their pace roughly yet but their reliability doesn't look good. STR are a weird one. The back two will stay the back two.

That's my guess at the moment.

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Covalent wrote:
What's up with Lotus? :?

Track decided to red flag itself, because it couldn't handle to excitement when Kimi went on track.

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hopefully a timed lap by kimi now


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BBC F1 technical analyst Gary Anderson in Jerez

"Felipe Massa's Ferrari made its first appearance at the top of the timesheets earlier this morning after two days of data-gathering. The car has actually been setting decent times all through the test but it doesn't look as consistent as the Lotus. At the moment, the Ferrari has the same problem as the Red Bull - once the front washes away, the driver can't get it back. Whereas the Lotus is much more pliable. However, it's clear from the times he was setting and the pattern of his runs that for a lot of his laps on Wednesday, Lotus's Romain Grosjean did not have a lot of fuel on board, and the fuel load has a dramatic effect on car behaviour."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21360298

from what we know at least RBR are running very much brazil-spec frontwing (at least look-alike) - webber mentioned that on day 1 and also said something about a front-wing-thing going on... ferrari focus on testing different exhaust solutions and comparing that data with their simulations ... basically both cars are very much work in progress besides the main chassis so i wouldn't read too much into the first test at all... second test will bring lots of new parts and insights...

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Massa gone under 1.18
Edit, 1.17.879, was on soft tyres and track temp upto 22 degrees.

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wow... soft-tyres really are kind of one-lappers ... at least on this surface... wonder what that means for qualifying... teams might end up choosing the harder compound as the softer tyres would struggle to last on the heavy cars...

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Anyone know what was wrong with the tyres last year that prompted Pirelli to turn them into paper?

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Anyone know what was wrong with the tyres last year that prompted Pirelli to turn them into paper?

yes... teams got used to it .... they fully understood how the tyres worked, what made them fall off the cliff and what would make them last longer (except for merc-gp that is)... basically what would have happened is that teams would have built their cars around those tires as good as possible to make them last longer and thus gain an advantage - good for the teams but bad for the show

pirelli saw that coming and built a new tyre - not only compound- but also structure-wise... softer compound, softer flanks, harder-edged flanks... that should account for more pitstops and more action on the track... also pirelli aim at opening up more options strategy-wise...

a good info on the new tyres from bbc's gary anderson:
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"The teams are battling with new Pirelli tyres this season, with softer sidewalls, and it may be that means they have to run either higher ride-heights to compensate for the movement in the tyres or run the cars stiffer. Higher ride-heights mean less downforce; stiffer cars means problems over bumps and kerbs. This test is about making those decisions, and they're made harder by the very aggressive surface of the track, which not only wears the tyres out quickly but produces grip the cars won't have elsewhere. This first test is a bit like taking a girlfriend out for the first time. Does she like steak or fish, red wine or white. It's an exploratory test and that might explain why Fernando Alonso chose not to be here. It's about running through job-lists and seeing what the car does - logging data. It doesn't matter who's driving it as long as they are competent."

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ic3man wrote:
Did grosjean take this long to come out on tuesday or is Kimi just not happy with the ice cream button?


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Word from Lotus is that there's nothing to be alarmed about by Raikkonen's lack of action - the team is just making small tweaks to get the Finn settled in the E21.


probably the ice-cream-button, yes... could also be a lack of angry birds...

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Rossiter taking out mechanics?


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Is it me or has the live timing stopped?

http://f1tests.info/2013.php?rev=on

Stuck at 12h24m.

Im curious to see if Merc are still on track.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:37 am 
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Lol it skipped from 12h24m to 12h35m, arghhh, but we can't complain. It's a free service.


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did it before from like 12:04 it skipped to something past 12:15...

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egnat69 wrote:
Adaemus wrote:
Anyone know what was wrong with the tyres last year that prompted Pirelli to turn them into paper?

yes... teams got used to it .... they fully understood how the tyres worked, what made them fall off the cliff and what would make them last longer (except for merc-gp that is)... basically what would have happened is that teams would have built their cars around those tires as good as possible to make them last longer and thus gain an advantage - good for the teams but bad for the show

pirelli saw that coming and built a new tyre - not only compound- but also structure-wise... softer compound, softer flanks, harder-edged flanks... that should account for more pitstops and more action on the track... also pirelli aim at opening up more options strategy-wise...

a good info on the new tyres from bbc's gary anderson:
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"The teams are battling with new Pirelli tyres this season, with softer sidewalls, and it may be that means they have to run either higher ride-heights to compensate for the movement in the tyres or run the cars stiffer. Higher ride-heights mean less downforce; stiffer cars means problems over bumps and kerbs. This test is about making those decisions, and they're made harder by the very aggressive surface of the track, which not only wears the tyres out quickly but produces grip the cars won't have elsewhere. This first test is a bit like taking a girlfriend out for the first time. Does she like steak or fish, red wine or white. It's an exploratory test and that might explain why Fernando Alonso chose not to be here. It's about running through job-lists and seeing what the car does - logging data. It doesn't matter who's driving it as long as they are competent."


Thanks for the info, I can see why they would want to keep the teams guessing so that it doesn't become too predictable...My only concern is seeing the tyres have too much of an influence on the races and qualifying sessions.

If the soft tyres are good for one or two ridiculously quick laps and then fall off the cliff they'll turn races into a lottery, with everybody spending all their time working out when is the least damaging time to have a stint on them.

That's just hyperbole of course, I'm certain the tyres won't be that dramatic, but that's the worry when they keep deliberately making them awkward to try and catch the teams out.

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Rosberg getting some good mileage which is key :D


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5 element front wing!

isn't that going to be heavier than the usual wings?

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I love how Mercedes/Brawn always come up with new innovations every year. They may not work, but at least they're trying something different!
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5 element front wing!

isn't that going to be heavier than the usual wings?


Not sure man, I would imagine it would be designed to weigh the same, as it will affect car balance slightly if it was heavier.

Nice to see Merc trying new things
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I love how Mercedes/Brawn always come up with new innovations every year. They may not work, but at least they're trying something different!
:D


Again, it's nice to see that Brawn and his team are at least being innovative, even if it doesn't work!


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71 laps for Rosberg so far. They desperately need the mileage.


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71 laps for Rosberg so far. They desperately need the mileage.


I think we will see them into 100+ laps shortly


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5 element front wing!

Looks HUGE


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is a 5 element front wing really that unusual? I mean I'd just like to know what configurations other teams are running.


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I would never have thought of a wing being that bigger than a standard front wing, Merc throwing the kitchen sink at it lol. Maybe they have more innovations coming up.


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