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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:03 pm 
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Discuss.... :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:32 pm 
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The guy is a talented driver and 4 time WDC - argue merits otherwise - he will no doubt bounce back and with 'new chassis' dodge etc as excuse, may turn things around very quickly. Clearly, the Merc is the car/engine to beat - then daylight - then others. I don't think anyone other than Mercedes can (if things continue for two or more races) stop them getting WCC and WDC - so the best of the rest is 3rd.

I'd hope DR continues his form and gets a deserved position - but there's no point in talking down SV - it's not a question of 'like' - it's an objective fact.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:56 pm 
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Writing off a 4-time WDC after 4 races with new regulations? Really?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:07 pm 
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Vettel has not suddenly forgotten how to race. He'll be back soon. In 2007 Alonso and Raikkonen were surprised by their younger team-mates speed and competitiveness; in 1993 Senna was by Hakkinen's Mclaren debut pole...

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:07 pm 
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Absolutely. He's finished. Needs to retire.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:12 pm 
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He is the leading candidate to replace Kobayashi at Caterham next season :lol:


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Multiple champ, German, struggled in a terrible car the season after trouncing the field rather convincingly and let the pressure get to him at various times during the struggle....


...his name? Michael Schumacher. He had a very rough first year with Ferrari and was rather lucky he only had to deal with Hill and Villeneuve as his only real rivals. he made some really questionable errors, Jerez 1997 and Monaco 1996. He then had to wait another three seasons after that one before he won another title. The rest was history.

Vettel is going through a bad patch just now and he's not fighting Hill or Villeneuve. He's fighting Hamilton and Alonso. He's not got Irvine as a team mate, he's got a highly rated Ricciardo. Yet no one said Schumacher was finished after he continually didn't win the title for Ferrari. They said he'd get there again. So will Vettel. A lot sooner than a lot of you guys think even if it won't be this season. Champions don't suddenly lose their talent overnight.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:15 pm 
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Yep, that's it. 124 Races, 4 world championships, 39 wins, 63 podiums, 1,482 career points, 45 pole positions and 22 fastest laps, and His career is now over because of a four race dip. You may not like him, I don't like him. But he's not going away any time soon.

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Yep, that's it. 124 Races, 4 world championships, 39 wins, 63 podiums, 1,482 career points, 45 pole positions and 22 fastest laps, and His career is now over because of a four race dip. You may not like him, I don't like him. But he's not going away any time soon.

Exactly. Even if he doesn't win another race this year and doesn't win the title next year he'll still likely be the most successful active driver around.

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Multiple champ, German, struggled in a terrible car the season after trouncing the field rather convincingly and let the pressure get to him at various times during the struggle....


...his name? Michael Schumacher. He had a very rough first year with Ferrari and was rather lucky he only had to deal with Hill and Villeneuve as his only real rivals. he made some really questionable errors, Jerez 1997 and Monaco 1996. He then had to wait another three seasons after that one before he won another title. The rest was history.

Vettel is going through a bad patch just now and he's not fighting Hill or Villeneuve. He's fighting Hamilton and Alonso. He's not got Irvine as a team mate, he's got a highly rated Ricciardo. Yet no one said Schumacher was finished after he continually didn't win the title for Ferrari. They said he'd get there again. So will Vettel. A lot sooner than a lot of you guys think even if it won't be this season. Champions don't suddenly lose their talent overnight.


I don't think Vettel is done but the example is a tad comical. Michael went to Ferrari who were in bad shape and helped transform the team into a winner. Although racing the superior Williams & McLarens, he still produced a few brilliant victories. The comparison is apples to oranges. Vettel has never had to struggle the way other "champions" have had to.

I think this is an exciting time for him, it's a great opportunity to show people how amazing he can be without the most dominate car. He will have to demonstrate that though, and so far (cracked chassis and all) he hasn't shown us very much. Lots of time though... definitely not a write off only 4 races in.


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Laura23 wrote:
Multiple champ, German, struggled in a terrible car the season after trouncing the field rather convincingly and let the pressure get to him at various times during the struggle....


...his name? Michael Schumacher. He had a very rough first year with Ferrari and was rather lucky he only had to deal with Hill and Villeneuve as his only real rivals. he made some really questionable errors, Jerez 1997 and Monaco 1996. He then had to wait another three seasons after that one before he won another title. The rest was history.

Vettel is going through a bad patch just now and he's not fighting Hill or Villeneuve. He's fighting Hamilton and Alonso. He's not got Irvine as a team mate, he's got a highly rated Ricciardo. Yet no one said Schumacher was finished after he continually didn't win the title for Ferrari. They said he'd get there again. So will Vettel. A lot sooner than a lot of you guys think even if it won't be this season. Champions don't suddenly lose their talent overnight.


Maybe he misplaced it!

Silly thread really


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:28 pm 
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Surely they're already eyeing off his replacement.

Kvyat anyone?


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Bentrovato wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Multiple champ, German, struggled in a terrible car the season after trouncing the field rather convincingly and let the pressure get to him at various times during the struggle....


...his name? Michael Schumacher. He had a very rough first year with Ferrari and was rather lucky he only had to deal with Hill and Villeneuve as his only real rivals. he made some really questionable errors, Jerez 1997 and Monaco 1996. He then had to wait another three seasons after that one before he won another title. The rest was history.

Vettel is going through a bad patch just now and he's not fighting Hill or Villeneuve. He's fighting Hamilton and Alonso. He's not got Irvine as a team mate, he's got a highly rated Ricciardo. Yet no one said Schumacher was finished after he continually didn't win the title for Ferrari. They said he'd get there again. So will Vettel. A lot sooner than a lot of you guys think even if it won't be this season. Champions don't suddenly lose their talent overnight.


I don't think Vettel is done but the example is a tad comical. Michael went to Ferrari who were in bad shape and helped transform the team into a winner. Although racing the superior Williams & McLarens, he still produced a few brilliant victories. The comparison is apples to oranges. Vettel has never had to struggle the way other "champions" have had to.

I think this is an exciting time for him, it's a great opportunity to show people how amazing he can be without the most dominate car. He will have to demonstrate that though, and so far (cracked chassis and all) he hasn't shown us very much. Lots of time though... definitely not a write off only 4 races in.

I never said the struggle was the same or worse. Only that even the most titled champion in the sport struggled for form at one point. He had it rough for while. This season is far from over, we don't know what Vettel may bring to the table yet or if he might even produce a stunner of a victory yet.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:35 pm 
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SealTheDeal wrote:
Absolutely. He's finished. Needs to retire.


Yep - Done and Dusted.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:35 pm 
Seal: I know you meant for this to be humorous. And I did laugh hard.

But I think Vettel may come back to haunt you with a rebound of some kind-- maybe not this year, but in the future. He really is a formidable guy, if a bit lucky.


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SealTheDeal wrote:
Surely they're already eyeing off his replacement.

Kvyat anyone?



No Kvyat is not replacement for 2nd tier drivers... He will replace Alonso and Lewis one day.

Better candidate for Vettel's replacement is Chilton -The Max


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:40 pm 
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Luca Badoer could replace Vettel the way Seb's driving.


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SealTheDeal wrote:
Luca Badoer could replace Vettel the way Seb's driving.


Bernie could win in a Mercedes, why pay big bucks for a driver at all?


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SealTheDeal wrote:
Luca Badoer could replace Vettel the way Seb's driving.


Please, don't insult Badoer. He was a pretty good driver when young and one of the best test drivers ever; only made to look bad because of being too many years away from racing and hastily put into a very ill-handling car.


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The real issue is Adrian Newey's future. I've heard rumblings that he is considering a move to Le Mans. If he packs up and leaves Red Bull, Seb will be compelled to leave the team as well. Then he's out in the wilderness of the driver market for the first time in his F1 career.

Vettel was fortunate to come up the ladder in the Red Bull organization right as they reached their zenith. He's not likely to find such a cushy gig elsewhere.

The question is silly. The answer is obviously no, he's not finished but this next chapter in his career will be every bit as important to his legacy as his dominant run these last few years.


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SealTheDeal wrote:
Luca Badoer could replace Vettel the way Seb's driving.


Good try, SealTheDeal, good try...
Seb will still beat both Ferrari's drivers this year, so that is it for Seb for now.


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My initial response was to report this thread, but as that hasn't worked, I'll just say that this is the most retarded thread I've read in a long time on this forum.

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This year we will learn more about Seb than ever- not covered himself in glory so far, more to do with his radio messages (shock) than his driving!

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coulthards chin - bang on target.

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AnRs wrote:
SealTheDeal wrote:
Luca Badoer could replace Vettel the way Seb's driving.


Bernie could win in a Mercedes, why pay big bucks for a driver at all?


What's this all about then?
WTF has this got to do with who could win in a Mercedes?
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SealTheDeal wrote:
Discuss.... :lol:


:lol: nicely done

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