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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:03 pm 
I have just spent 30 minutes trying to find if this is a 1999 (FW21) or 2000 (FW22) Williams steering wheel.

Can anybody help with a picture please.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:22 pm 
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I believe it's a FW22 wheel. I watched some onboards of the Fw21 and on that wheel, the smaller button holes at the top weren't next to each other, one was slightly higher than the other.

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I just watched an on-board of Ralf at Francorchamps 2000, and that doesn't seem to match either. But perhaps the configuration changed during the season.

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lamo wrote:
I have just spent 30 minutes trying to find if this is a 1999 (FW21) or 2000 (FW22) Williams steering wheel.

Can anybody help with a picture please.

Thanks!

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Here's an FW21 wheel,

https://flic.kr/p/nkFK76

and an FW22 wheel,

https://flic.kr/p/nnsi72 (note Williams have changed the centre badge from the original version)

Here is a slightly different FW22 2000 version, with original badge and sadly my hand in the way.

https://flic.kr/p/nkpExz

I'd lean towards the one you have Lamo being an FW22/2000 wheel, but it could still be from late 1999 as well. Without the badge and buttons it's very hard to place.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:05 pm 
Thanks for your help. It is inconclusive. It seems Ralf used this style wheel for Australia 1999. But then there are conflicting pictures for the rest of 1999. Then for 2000 it changed somewhat again but then this appeared which was the same as 1999.

http://regalaf1.com/index.php?main_page ... cts_id=259


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Given the colour of the suede is deep black I'd go for 1999 then Lamo. They had a blue tint by 2000 thanks to BMW.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:05 pm 
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Given the colour of the suede is deep black I'd go for 1999 then Lamo. They had a blue tint by 2000 thanks to BMW.


Yes you are right, but there are also early wheels in 2000 that are BMW and black. So its really hard to tell :lol:


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Given the colour of the suede is deep black I'd go for 1999 then Lamo. They had a blue tint by 2000 thanks to BMW.


Yes you are right, but there are also early wheels in 2000 that are BMW and black. So its really hard to tell :lol:

:x Damn Williams!

Here's the 1998 wheel as well, it does look close.

https://flic.kr/p/nkRMg5

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Could they have perhaps been using the same basic frame of the steering wheel over a number of years? I guess it's not a part that needs a huge amount of development so it wouldn't change that much year on year. Maybe driver preference had something to do with it?

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Could they have perhaps been using the same basic frame of the steering wheel over a number of years? I guess it's not a part that needs a huge amount of development so it wouldn't change that much year on year. Maybe driver preference had something to do with it?

Back then you could do much less from inside the cockpit as well. They didn't need to change it up because there weren't even a dozen buttons. The jump from the 1997 wheel to the 1998 wheel was very clear though, the next big change came in 2001, then Williams began adding dials in around 2005.

But the wheel Lamo is asking about could be from 1998-2000. Judging by the buttons I'd say 1998. The number of driver changes Williams had in that period doesn't help either tbh.

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Why do you think it's one of those two years? My first impression was that it looks like a 1995/6 wheel from Hill/Villeneuve era. It doesn't look like it's got enough gadgets on it to be much later than that.


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Why do you think it's one of those two years? My first impression was that it looks like a 1995/6 wheel from Hill/Villeneuve era. It doesn't look like it's got enough gadgets on it to be much later than that.

Here's one from 1994,

https://flic.kr/p/nnLBDB

then here is JV's one from 1997, the same one used in the European Grand Prix,

https://flic.kr/p/niXBaA

It's clear Williams invested a lot in new tech in the cockpit for 1998 onwards.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:46 pm 
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It's a bit like this one
http://regalaf1.com/index.php?main_page ... anguage=en

http://regalaf1.com/index.php?main_page ... 0fbf2da17b


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lamo wrote:
I have just spent 30 minutes trying to find if this is a 1999 (FW21) or 2000 (FW22) Williams steering wheel.

Can anybody help with a picture please.

Thanks!

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I thought for a minute there that you had stolen the wheel from Datsun "Z", Lamo! A bit too complicated though!
;)


On a serious note, I am impressed with the answers you are getting to the question. Why do all of you know these wheels? Hell, I couldn't tell you one year from the next unless it were by decades!!!
:lol:

good work!

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Blake wrote:
lamo wrote:
I have just spent 30 minutes trying to find if this is a 1999 (FW21) or 2000 (FW22) Williams steering wheel.

Can anybody help with a picture please.

Thanks!

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I thought for a minute there that you had stolen the wheel from Datsun "Z", Lamo! A bit too complicated though!
;)


On a serious note, I am impressed with the answers you are getting to the question. Why do all of you know these wheels? Hell, I couldn't tell you one year from the next unless it were by decades!!!
:lol:

good work!

The steering wheels have always fascinated me, as have crash helmets and their various designs. I remember in 2001 F1 Racing mag did a fabulous article that had all the drivers talking about the wheel they used, everyone from Schumacher to then rookie Alonso. Really clear photos of each wheel too. The Williams one was always my favourite because it was the least complicated back then and the smallest by far!

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A bit? I think that's the one!

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Only trouble is it doesn't have the blue felt. I'm still swaying towards a late 1999 model of Schumacher's.

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The colour could be affected by the lighting. It's not particularly blue in either shot and maybe only shows up blue in really bright light?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:02 pm 
It is definitely black, I have it in hand. You would not believe how light it is. Probably around 250g, about 1/4 of the weight as it is was made from aluminium like the wheels were up until the late 90s.

I think the conclusion is that it is a base used during 1999 and 2000. I looked a quite a bit of JV onboard footage for 1998 and this design was not used, although there was one in the show car and Williams museum that Laura posted I think that is incorrect.

Thanks for everybodies help. Now begins sourcing the Buttons to try to get it back to its former glory. I will post some pictures when it is all finished.


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Thanks for everybodies help. Now begins sourcing the Buttons to try to get it back to its former glory. I will post some pictures when it is all finished.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 12:57 am 
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It is a 2000 Williams wheel too and I did capitalise Button, force of habit.


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I'm intrigued as to how you came by this wheel and how you knew so much and yet not quite everything about it?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:49 am 
I bought it from a dealer of F1 items, he thought it was a 2000 Williams wheel. But when I researched it I kept seeing that one with the blue suede you posted. Then I had a look at a 1999 cockpit and it looked like the same wheel.


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