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Vettel, 39 wins, age 27 52%  52%  [ 112 ]
Alonso, 32 wins, age 33 2%  2%  [ 5 ]
Hamilton, 27 wins, age 29 46%  46%  [ 100 ]
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:57 am 
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DOLOMITE wrote:
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Retirement age 39, I'm not sure Hamilton will be around that long, Schumacher retired when he was 37, that would have been a more interesting comparitor given it's Schumaher's record that's being chased?


as you wish...

1. Hamilton = 92
2. Schumacher = 91
3. Vettel = 80
4. Prost = 51
5. Senna = 41
6. Alonso = 32
7. Mansell = 31
8. Stewart = 27
9. Clark = 25
9. Lauda = 25
11. Fangio = 24
12. Raikkonen = 23
13. Piquet = 23
13. Rosberg (N) = 23
15. Hill (D) = 22
16. Verstappen (M) = 21
17. Hakkinen = 20
18. Moss = 16
19. Button = 15
20. Ricciardo = 14


Adjusted to reflect the fact we know Alonso has only 4 races left and to assume Raikkonen has 44.

Cheers I think that is perhaps more practicable and shows it's within reach but perhaps not a given.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:29 pm 
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DOLOMITE wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Retirement age 39, I'm not sure Hamilton will be around that long, Schumacher retired when he was 37, that would have been a more interesting comparitor given it's Schumaher's record that's being chased?


as you wish...

1. Hamilton = 92
2. Schumacher = 91
3. Vettel = 80
4. Prost = 51
5. Senna = 41
6. Alonso = 32
7. Mansell = 31
8. Stewart = 27
9. Clark = 25
9. Lauda = 25
11. Fangio = 24
12. Raikkonen = 23
13. Piquet = 23
13. Rosberg (N) = 23
15. Hill (D) = 22
16. Verstappen (M) = 21
17. Hakkinen = 20
18. Moss = 16
19. Button = 15
20. Ricciardo = 14


Adjusted to reflect the fact we know Alonso has only 4 races left and to assume Raikkonen has 44.


1. Hamilton = 111
2. Schumacher = 91
3. Vettel = 65
4. Prost = 51
5. Senna = 41
6. Alonso = 32
7. Mansell = 31
8. Stewart = 27
9. Clark = 25
9. Lauda = 25
11. Fangio = 24
12. Raikkonen = 23
13. Piquet = 23
13. Rosberg (N) = 23
15. Hill (D) = 22
16. Verstappen (M) = 21
17. Hakkinen = 20
18. Moss = 16
19. Button = 15
20. Ricciardo = 14


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 11:49 pm 
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**bump**!!

After Monaco 2019

1. Hamilton = 94
2. Schumacher = 91
3. Vettel = 76
4. Prost = 51
5. Senna = 41
6. Alonso = 32
7. Mansell = 31
8. Stewart = 27
9. Clark = 25
9. Lauda = 25
11. Fangio = 24
12. Piquet = 23
12. Rosberg (N) = 23
14. Raikkonen = 23
15. Verstappen (M) = 23
16. Hill (D) = 22
17. Hakkinen = 20
18. Moss = 16
19. Button = 15
20. Brabham = 14
20. Fittipaldi = 14
20. Hill (G) = 14
23. Ricciardo = 13
24. Ascari = 13
24. Coulthard = 13
26. Jones = 12
26. Andretti = 12
26. Reutemann = 12
29. Villeneuve (J) = 11
29. Massa = 11
29. Barrichello = 11
32. Bottas = 11

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DOLOMITE wrote:
After Monaco 2019

1. Hamilton = 94
2. Schumacher = 91
3. Vettel = 76

Who would have believed -- back when you made this thread in 2014 -- that Hamilton's number here is probably not only realistic, but potentially a low-ball estimate?

Certainly not me. How the times have changed.

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Exediron wrote:
DOLOMITE wrote:
After Monaco 2019

1. Hamilton = 94
2. Schumacher = 91
3. Vettel = 76

Who would have believed -- back when you made this thread in 2014 -- that Hamilton's number here is probably not only realistic, but potentially a low-ball estimate?

Certainly not me. How the times have changed.

Yeah I can see him passing 100 wins, the like for like comparison takes him to the end of 2022 I believe?

So that's about 80 races to win 23 races a strike rate of about 30% when he's been batting at around 50% these past few years which he seems set to continue this year and possible next year as well given there are no rule changes, he could have 93 wins by the end of the 2020 season?

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 7:41 am 
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Exediron wrote:
DOLOMITE wrote:
After Monaco 2019

1. Hamilton = 94
2. Schumacher = 91
3. Vettel = 76

Who would have believed -- back when you made this thread in 2014 -- that Hamilton's number here is probably not only realistic, but potentially a low-ball estimate?

Certainly not me. How the times have changed.

Before the dark times. Before the empire.


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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
DOLOMITE wrote:
After Monaco 2019

1. Hamilton = 94
2. Schumacher = 91
3. Vettel = 76

Who would have believed -- back when you made this thread in 2014 -- that Hamilton's number here is probably not only realistic, but potentially a low-ball estimate?

Certainly not me. How the times have changed.

Before the dark times. Before the empire.

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 12:26 pm 
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The main thing is that Hamilton is in the early stages of a period of domination. I see him likely surpassing Prost for second on the all-time list by next season. Will he end his career with more wins than Vettel? Hard to say. The future is not clear but the present certainly is. 2017 is the earliest realistic timeframe for Lewis to find himself in a car that is not top-shelf and even that is unlikely with the engines staying the same.

One thing is clear; Lewis is in the midst of the biggest purple patch he'll ever see in F1. Much Like Schumacher with Ferrari from 2000-2004 or Vettel with Red Bull from 2010-2013, Hamilton is going to do the lion's share of his damage between 2014 and whenever Merc are finally knocked off the mountain-top.


Now if you could just IM me next weeks lottery numbers sandman that would be great....

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:47 am 
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Exediron wrote:
DOLOMITE wrote:
After Monaco 2019

1. Hamilton = 94
2. Schumacher = 91
3. Vettel = 76

Who would have believed -- back when you made this thread in 2014 -- that Hamilton's number here is probably not only realistic, but potentially a low-ball estimate?

Certainly not me. How the times have changed.

Two thirds of Hamilton's wins have occurred since this poll started. Three quarters of Vettel's wins occured before this poll started. And Alonso's tally did not change.

Here's an interesting statistic. When Schumacher won his 91st race, it was a 866th F1 championship race. That meant He had won 10.5% of F1 races at that point. (it's possible he reached a higher percentage earlier in his career but after his last win in 2004, it was 10% exactly, 83 wins out of 830 races, so I think China 2006 was his highest percentage)

With 77 out of 1003 races, Hamilton is at 7.7% of F1 races. Could he ever exceed Schumacher's percentage? The earliest he could do it in 32 races (so winning all of them) to give him 109 / 1035 race = 10.53% vx 10.51% - but that's very unlikely. If he wins at 50% rate, he will need 72 races to exceed it, 113 wins from 1075 races (10.511% vs 10.508%) - this is more achievable, but I would still say unlikely as it's a 50% win rate to the end of 2022 and it's unlikely Mercedes will have 9 years of domination.

If someone is interested they can go back and check what the win percentages were of other top drivers in the past, although I suspect this is a harder statistic to excel at as time goes on, as the race calendar would need to grow exponentially for it to be fair, so when Fangio was winning a lot he didn't have a 50 years of previous races to share.


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Ascari and Fangio will easily dominate that statistic, Fangio had 24 wins from first 62 races when he stopped. A rookie could win his first 500 races and not match that.


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If Lewis Hamilton follows through on his statement today that he intends to continue for another 5 years then he will break MS's record and some!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48498666


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Option or Prime wrote:
If Lewis Hamilton follows through on his statement today that he intends to continue for another 5 years then he will break MS's record and some!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48498666

I don't believe that's a recent statement by Hamilton, he's 34 now, I believe he said that last December?

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Its all a bit odd if you look closer, the article quotes "my next guest needs no introduction" with David Letterman which is previewed here, dated 29th May, https://www.motor1.com/news/352089/watch-lewis-hamilton-terrify-letterman/

Yet as you say he states he is 33 which would imply last year.


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Option or Prime wrote:
Its all a bit odd if you look closer, the article quotes "my next guest needs no introduction" with David Letterman which is previewed here, dated 29th May, https://www.motor1.com/news/352089/watch-lewis-hamilton-terrify-letterman/

Yet as you say he states he is 33 which would imply last year.


Perhaps it was filmed last year?


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DOLOMITE wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
The main thing is that Hamilton is in the early stages of a period of domination. I see him likely surpassing Prost for second on the all-time list by next season. Will he end his career with more wins than Vettel? Hard to say. The future is not clear but the present certainly is. 2017 is the earliest realistic timeframe for Lewis to find himself in a car that is not top-shelf and even that is unlikely with the engines staying the same.

One thing is clear; Lewis is in the midst of the biggest purple patch he'll ever see in F1. Much Like Schumacher with Ferrari from 2000-2004 or Vettel with Red Bull from 2010-2013, Hamilton is going to do the lion's share of his damage between 2014 and whenever Merc are finally knocked off the mountain-top.


Now if you could just IM me next weeks lottery numbers sandman that would be great....

Ha! I have to admit that what he has accomplished since then dwarfs even the high end of what I thought was likely to happen. Especially if he wins another title this year (which he is certainly the favorite to do).

The real question I find myself asking is; who will knock Hamilton off of the mountain top and when? Even looking at next year; barring a dramatic turnaround this season; it's hard to pick anyone but Hamilton for the WDC. Even with radical changes to the rules in 2021, would you bet on anyone other than Mercedes to get it spot on? I wouldn't. Maybe Red Bull/Honda will steal the march but I think the Mercedes organization is bulletproof in their preparation, resources and culture. They are just winners and they secured the best driver of a generation just as he was entering the prime of his career.


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I think thats a decent point, add to that the fact that whilst Ferrari and Red Bull might get it right for a season you could see Mercedes throwing its full weight behind getting it back the following season.
I'm not sure the engine changes are different enough to result in a new dominant PU supplier. Though the aero changes could level the playing field a bit towards Red Bull. Time will tell.


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mikeyg123 wrote:
Option or Prime wrote:
Its all a bit odd if you look closer, the article quotes "my next guest needs no introduction" with David Letterman which is previewed here, dated 29th May, https://www.motor1.com/news/352089/watch-lewis-hamilton-terrify-letterman/

Yet as you say he states he is 33 which would imply last year.


Perhaps it was filmed last year?


I would think so. The pre-recorded televised interview mentions a Mercedes that Letterman got rid of, then in a
filler taken with both of them at the Mercedes Silverstone launch at the beginning of Feb that previous conversation is referenced. So interviewed just before his 34 birthday I would guess.


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Option or Prime wrote:
If Lewis Hamilton follows through on his statement today that he intends to continue for another 5 years then he will break MS's record and some!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48498666


if he maintains his current wins/start ratio for the rest of his career, his wins at retirement would be

36:87
37:94
38:101
39:107

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DOLOMITE wrote:
Option or Prime wrote:
If Lewis Hamilton follows through on his statement today that he intends to continue for another 5 years then he will break MS's record and some!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48498666


if he maintains his current wins/start ratio for the rest of his career, his wins at retirement would be

36:87
37:94
38:101
39:107

Surely you've missed a year out there he currently is 34:77, also it's doubtful he will only win 3 out of the last 15 races for a yearly 7 win ratio.

I think 10 wins this year is not unreasonably so by the end of the year that would make it 34:83 then going forward with the 7 win yearly average you would have:-

35:90
36:97
37:104
38:111
39:118

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After Canada 2019

(Retire at 37, 20 races/season)

1. Hamilton = 95
2. Schumacher = 91
3. Vettel = 75
4. Prost = 51
5. Senna = 41
6. Alonso = 32
7. Mansell = 31
8. Stewart = 27
9. Lauda = 25
9. Clark = 25


Of the active drivers who have won at least 1 races:
1. Hamilton = 95
3. Vettel = 75
12. Raikkonen = 24
15. Verstappen (M) = 22
23. Ricciardo = 13
32. Bottas = 11

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