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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 7:10 pm 
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Can anybody explain how Mercedes are 2.7 seconds quicker than last years pole? Seriously, that is an insane amount of time. Some tyre influence no doubt, but the 2016 cars are practically a different Formula to 2014 - 3.2 seconds quicker!

2014 pole - 1:25.232 HAM
2015 pole - 1:24.681 ROS
2016 pole - 1:22.000 HAM

0.5 difference between 2014 and 2015 and 2.5 difference between 2015 and 2016. Raises the question, do we need these radical 2017 rules to make the cars "fast" again. Look at the times!

2013 pole - 1:20.718
2012 pole - 1:21.707

Even with a modest gain for next season, the cars will be in the mid 1m 21s or even the 1m 20s and back to 2013/2012 type speed.

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 7:14 pm 
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I have just glanced at the others, I didn't notice this before...

Bahrain 2015 > 2016 - pole 3.0 seconds quicker
China 2015 > 2016 - pole just 0.4 quicker
Australia 2015 > 2016 - pole 2.5 seconds quicker

Why was China only 0.4 and looking at this I am thinking a lot of this time is in the tyre?

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 7:14 pm 
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lamo wrote:
Can anybody explain how Mercedes are 2.7 seconds quicker than last years pole? Seriously, that is an insane amount of time. Some tyre influence no doubt, but the 2016 cars and practically a different Formula to 2014 - 3.2 seconds quicker!

2014 pole - 1:25.232 HAM
2015 pole - 1:24.681 ROS
2016 pole - 1:22.000 HAM

0.5 difference between 2014 and 2015 and 2.5 difference between 2015 and 2016. Raises the question, do we need these radical 2017 rules to make the cars "fast" again. Look at the times!

2013 pole - 1:20.718
2012 pole - 1:21.707

Even with a modest gain for next season, the cars will be in the mid 1m 21s or even the 1m 20s

Next season might have gains that are not modest at all with the new regs. I think they probably should have thought things through a little because it's likely that the cars will be dramatically faster than they've ever been.


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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 7:57 pm 
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lamo wrote:
I have just glanced at the others, I didn't notice this before...

Bahrain 2015 > 2016 - pole 3.0 seconds quicker
China 2015 > 2016 - pole just 0.4 quicker
Australia 2015 > 2016 - pole 2.5 seconds quicker

Why was China only 0.4 and looking at this I am thinking a lot of this time is in the tyre?


China was as far as I remember a wet-come-dry qualifying (I remember Wehrlein's accident on the damp track). That would explain not having a much quicker pole lap time than last year.

For Barcelona on the other hand, it is 2.7s quicker but last year Rosberg got pole using the medium tyres and today it was on the softs; so a 1.1-1.3s improvement based on tyres only.


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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 9:01 pm 
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sandman1347 wrote:
lamo wrote:
Can anybody explain how Mercedes are 2.7 seconds quicker than last years pole? Seriously, that is an insane amount of time. Some tyre influence no doubt, but the 2016 cars and practically a different Formula to 2014 - 3.2 seconds quicker!

2014 pole - 1:25.232 HAM
2015 pole - 1:24.681 ROS
2016 pole - 1:22.000 HAM

0.5 difference between 2014 and 2015 and 2.5 difference between 2015 and 2016. Raises the question, do we need these radical 2017 rules to make the cars "fast" again. Look at the times!

2013 pole - 1:20.718
2012 pole - 1:21.707

Even with a modest gain for next season, the cars will be in the mid 1m 21s or even the 1m 20s

Next season might have gains that are not modest at all with the new regs. I think they probably should have thought things through a little because it's likely that the cars will be dramatically faster than they've ever been.


Is that bad?


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mikeyg123 wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
Next season might have gains that are not modest at all with the new regs. I think they probably should have thought things through a little because it's likely that the cars will be dramatically faster than they've ever been.

Is that bad?

Nope! :] :lol: :]

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Exediron wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
Next season might have gains that are not modest at all with the new regs. I think they probably should have thought things through a little because it's likely that the cars will be dramatically faster than they've ever been.

Is that bad?

Nope! :] :lol: :]

It is when all of the additional performance is coming from aerodynamics.


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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 10:30 pm 
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sandman1347 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
Next season might have gains that are not modest at all with the new regs. I think they probably should have thought things through a little because it's likely that the cars will be dramatically faster than they've ever been.

Is that bad?

Nope! :] :lol: :]

It is when all of the additional performance is coming from aerodynamics.


I would be quite happy to revert back to aero figures generated in 07/08. Seems to be a good balance.


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2007/2008 with DRS I have said for a long long time would be very interesting indeed.

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