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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:39 pm 
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Zoue wrote:
Alonso finally manages a lap! He does a 1:26.110, which is not bad at all for an opening effort


This is such a relief!

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Zoue wrote:
Alonso finally manages a lap! He does a 1:26.110, which is not bad at all for an opening effort



Followed up by a 1.25.586 on hards. Not bad at all for your first couple of laps.

EDIT: Now showing supersoft :x

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Daniel Ricciardo has stopped on the circuit!

Oh dear.

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Vettel now a tenth down on Lewis, but on the harder Medium compound. Williams not far behind, either (also on the Softs). So far those three teams appear to be the only ones comfortable with pushing a bit


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Zoue wrote:
Vettel now a tenth down on Lewis, but on the harder Medium compound. Williams not far behind, either (also on the Softs). So far those three teams appear to be the only ones comfortable with pushing a bit

This is just the appetizer methinks. I expect Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari to be sandbagging although knowing the Scuderia and testing in the last few years they run a little lighter than others.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:05 pm 
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Summary from F1today.net:

Hamilton drives the afternoon session to deliver the fastest lap time on the soft tyre.
Vettel narrowly behind on the medium-compound tyre.
Mercedes, Ferrari and Williams all hit 100 laps.
Ricciardo & Alonso have problems in morning session. They spent most of the afternoon recovering mileage.
Magnussen crashed at turn ten in the morning session.
Exhaust issues for Sergio Perez in the afternoon session.

http://www.f1today.net/en/live/f1/22267 ... st-of-2017


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:06 pm 
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F1Tyrant wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Vettel now a tenth down on Lewis, but on the harder Medium compound. Williams not far behind, either (also on the Softs). So far those three teams appear to be the only ones comfortable with pushing a bit

This is just the appetizer methinks. I expect Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari to be sandbagging although knowing the Scuderia and testing in the last few years they run a little lighter than others.

Yes, I'm not reading too much into the times themselves, just that the three aforementioned teams were the only ones with enough confidence to push a bit on Day 1


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:07 pm 
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For their sake, you have to hope Sauber were running intentionally slow laps. Otherwise they're going to start 2017 at the back of the field, possibly comfortably so, and with an engine that isn't going to get developed as the year progresses. Could be a very, very long year for the Swiss team.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:00 pm 
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Really disapointing from Honda. Hoping its once off and mclaren can start with their programm tomorrow. Alonso say he was just doing installation type laps.
They should ban those shark fins while its still early. Those things are ugly


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Fast moving advertising hoardings! What function do they have?


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Good start for Haas.


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Option or Prime wrote:
Fast moving advertising hoardings! What function do they have?


Stability in medium/fast corners was one description I read not long ago.

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Option or Prime wrote:
Fast moving advertising hoardings! What function do they have?


Strangely nobody has sold them as ad space.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:12 pm 
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Fast moving advertising hoardings! What function do they have?


Clean the airflow to the rear wing. Lower rear wings means the air off the front suspension and sidepods is going to the rear wing planes, instead of the air off the engine cover, like it did with the previous, higher wings.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:32 pm 
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The Ferrari looked planted through the final turn and didn't appear to be suffering from oversteer as the power was applied. The Williams looked a little messy but not bad.

I watched the Ferrari clips from turn 3 (Sky with Craig Slater) and can not work out the rumours of Ferrari having huge issues with the rear of the car? It looked hooked up all the way through the turn although the car (all cars) are quite a distance off their ultimate pace so maybe issues will become clearer as the pace quickens. All in all I think both Ferrari and Marc looked good from the clips I saw on Sky.

In addition it is interesting that during last years testing Merc ran pretty much most of the time on the Medium and Ferrari on the soft (and softer) tyres. During Day one 2017 it was reversed with Merc running the softer tyre. Does anyone else thinkMerc might be focusing on the soft tyre in the belief that with the wider rubber this season Pirelli will be more conservative and that a 2017 soft may well feel/last/perform like a 2016 Medium in terms of endurance ?


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Sort of a disappointing:
Merc seems to have an upper hand again, so no big changes in order
Ferrari seemingly with huge issues with the back of the car
Overtaking gets even more difficult as it is harder to follow the car
No surprising standouts so far, neither from Renault, let alone from Mclaren
Sauber is so far at the back, they seem already doomed

Sort of encouraging:
Williams might be a bit better than last year
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:53 pm 
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Lt. Drebin wrote:
Sort of a disappointing:
Merc seems to have an upper hand again, so no big changes in order
Ferrari seemingly with huge issues with the back of the car
Overtaking gets even more difficult as it is harder to follow the car
No surprising standouts so far, neither from Renault, let alone from Mclaren
Sauber is so far at the back, they seem already doomed

Sort of encouraging:
Williams might be a bit better than last year
End of list


Sauber doomed themselves by choosing to run a 2016 spec ferrari PU, that is just crazy stuff.


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Sauber doomed themselves by choosing to run a 2016 spec ferrari PU, that is just crazy stuff.

Yeah - after seeing what happened to Toro Rosso, anyone who willingly runs last year's PU has chosen the back of the field.

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Thanks for the 'shark fin feedback Lotus49, mikeyg123 and huggybear, didn't realise it affected the rear wing as well. Much appreciated.


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Exediron wrote:
rivf1 wrote:
Sauber doomed themselves by choosing to run a 2016 spec ferrari PU, that is just crazy stuff.

Yeah - after seeing what happened to Toro Rosso, anyone who willingly runs last year's PU has chosen the back of the field.

Especially now that the token system is scrapped the engines will likely develop at an even faster rate.

I'd be amazed if Sauber are anything but moving chicanes this year.

Actually thinking about it, maybe Sauber didn't have the funds to buy Ferrari's new engine.


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Did Vettel really set his fastest time in a 15 lap medium stint? If so that's pretty impressive.

Or was that his 22.3?


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More one stop races :thumbdown: get the sprinklers out.

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The Ferrari looked planted through the final turn and didn't appear to be suffering from oversteer as the power was applied. The Williams looked a little messy but not bad.

I watched the Ferrari clips from turn 3 (Sky with Craig Slater) and can not work out the rumours of Ferrari having huge issues with the rear of the car? It looked hooked up all the way through the turn although the car (all cars) are quite a distance off their ultimate pace so maybe issues will become clearer as the pace quickens. All in all I think both Ferrari and Marc looked good from the clips I saw on Sky.

In addition it is interesting that during last years testing Merc ran pretty much most of the time on the Medium and Ferrari on the soft (and softer) tyres. During Day one 2017 it was reversed with Merc running the softer tyre. Does anyone else thinkMerc might be focusing on the soft tyre in the belief that with the wider rubber this season Pirelli will be more conservative and that a 2017 soft may well feel/last/perform like a 2016 Medium in terms of endurance ?

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... rt-to-2017

According to Hamilton the tires are extremely hard. He's expecting lots of one-stoppers. I think this may be a season like 2010 in terms of the racing only with DRS to create more overtakes in the dry.


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KingVoid wrote:
Exediron wrote:
rivf1 wrote:
Sauber doomed themselves by choosing to run a 2016 spec ferrari PU, that is just crazy stuff.

Yeah - after seeing what happened to Toro Rosso, anyone who willingly runs last year's PU has chosen the back of the field.

Especially now that the token system is scrapped the engines will likely develop at an even faster rate.

I'd be amazed if Sauber are anything but moving chicanes this year.

Actually thinking about it, maybe Sauber didn't have the funds to buy Ferrari's new engine.


The use of the 2016 unit was a conscious choice because of known dimensions and cooling requirements. Sauber's big weakness is long design and manufacturing lead times, so using the 2016 PU let them start on the 2017 car very early. Rock and a hard place I think.

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I didn't see any footage of the day, where sauber actually doing any proper runs or did they have some of those outrageous sensors hanging off their call all day? That speed trap is a long long way behind.

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Some GOOD new for all of us!!!!!!

The Shark fins & T Wings could be scrapped / discontinued for security reasons by Melbourne:
http://racingclothesline.com/post/157802010685/20170227

Please get rid of them.

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UnlikeUday wrote:
Some GOOD new for all of us!!!!!!

The Shark fins & T Wings could be scrapped / discontinued for security reasons by Melbourne:
http://racingclothesline.com/post/157802010685/20170227

Please get rid of them.


Oh please make it happen


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rivf1 wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
Some GOOD new for all of us!!!!!!

The Shark fins & T Wings could be scrapped / discontinued for security reasons by Melbourne:
http://racingclothesline.com/post/157802010685/20170227

Please get rid of them.


Oh please make it happen


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UnlikeUday wrote:
Some GOOD new for all of us!!!!!!

The Shark fins & T Wings could be scrapped / discontinued for security reasons by Melbourne:
http://racingclothesline.com/post/157802010685/20170227

Please get rid of them.

Oh, god, no. What the hell is wrong with these people? Why can't they leave things alone for more than 30 seconds?

This is the kind of knee-jerk regulatory nonsense that makes F1 a laughing stock in the eyes of the world. You couldn't make this up :uhoh:


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Zoue wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
Some GOOD new for all of us!!!!!!

The Shark fins & T Wings could be scrapped / discontinued for security reasons by Melbourne:
http://racingclothesline.com/post/157802010685/20170227

Please get rid of them.

Oh, god, no. What the hell is wrong with these people? Why can't they leave things alone for more than 30 seconds?

This is the kind of knee-jerk regulatory nonsense that makes F1 a laughing stock in the eyes of the world. You couldn't make this up :uhoh:


Reading the article, there is absolutely nothing of substance in it that would suggest anyone is having a serious look at banning them. Somebody just made an article of the regulation excerpt "regulations can be changed one-sided for safety reasons" and added "some people among the paddock believe that..." somewhere in there in order to try and make this a legitimate article.

Sorry, this is bullshit journalism again.

edit: weird, the swear filter has been lifted or what? :)

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pc27b wrote:
rivf1 wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
Some GOOD new for all of us!!!!!!

The Shark fins & T Wings could be scrapped / discontinued for security reasons by Melbourne:
http://racingclothesline.com/post/157802010685/20170227

Please get rid of them.


Oh please make it happen


double please


Well you may as well ban all wings going by the logic used in that article.

I already wondered about how robust the t-wings were but I doubt they are heavy enough to do much damage. The look much lighter and therefore are less of a hazard than a front wing endplate or a bargeboard, and they are guaranteed to become dislodged from at least one car in most races. T-wings and shark fins are in an area of the car where they are much less likely to get knocked off by car to car contact.

They are in the rules, they should stay until it becomes obvious they are dangerous, or until the rules are written for next season.


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mds wrote:
Sorry, this is bullshit journalism again.

edit: weird, the swear filter has been lifted or what? :)

No, it just allows bullshit for whatever reason. It's been that way for as long as I can remember. But it still doesn't let you really all hail the mods let loose a stream of fairy cakes on donkey openings.

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JohnnyGuitar wrote:
pc27b wrote:
rivf1 wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
Some GOOD new for all of us!!!!!!

The Shark fins & T Wings could be scrapped / discontinued for security reasons by Melbourne:
http://racingclothesline.com/post/157802010685/20170227

Please get rid of them.


Oh please make it happen


double please


Well you may as well ban all wings going by the logic used in that article.

I already wondered about how robust the t-wings were but I doubt they are heavy enough to do much damage. The look much lighter and therefore are less of a hazard than a front wing endplate or a bargeboard, and they are guaranteed to become dislodged from at least one car in most races. T-wings and shark fins are in an area of the car where they are much less likely to get knocked off by car to car contact.

They are in the rules, they should stay until it becomes obvious they are dangerous, or until the rules are written for next season.


Agree, but F1 should just get together again an ban these things just for visual appeal before teams invest too much money in developing these things. They came up with a solution for stepped noses for the exact same reason of visual appearance. I was expecting sleek cars with the new regulations, and what we got are hump backs.


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Day two links:

- f1today for good timing and tyre ticker: http://www.f1today.net/en/live/f1/22272 ... st-of-2017
- autosport for good commentary: http://www.autosport.com/live/commentar ... st-day-two

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Aaaaaaaand Vandoorne has stopped at pit entry at the end of his first lap, the Mclaren crew are pushing him back.

Like clockwork.

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mds wrote:
Day two links:

- f1today for good timing and tyre ticker: http://www.f1today.net/en/live/f1/22272 ... st-of-2017
- autosport for good commentary: http://www.autosport.com/live/commentar ... st-day-two

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These cars look the absolute mutts nuts on track.


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Aaaaaaaand Vandoorne has stopped at pit entry at the end of his first lap, the Mclaren crew are pushing him back.

Like clockwork.

:blush:

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