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I know this early days, but can McLaren afford a winless decade?

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Personally I don't have a problem with the shark fins but that T-wing is horrible...

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This is the important bit.

http://www.planetf1.com/news/day-one-ce ... ing-fears/

Doodley little wings and double barge boards are just distractions. The cars are wider, heavier, faster, use more fuel and are less suited for racing.

Maybe they can invent a new artificial aid to overtaking to liven the year up a bit?


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Lol i was just about to type the mclaren problem seemed minor but now Vandoorne is back in the pits again.


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McLaren oil tank possibly needs a redesign


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Are teams allowed to run the PU fully fitted in the car at the factory like on a chassis dynometer?


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babararacucudada wrote:
This is the important bit.

http://www.planetf1.com/news/day-one-ce ... ing-fears/

Doodley little wings and double barge boards are just distractions. The cars are wider, heavier, faster, use more fuel and are less suited for racing.

Maybe they can invent a new artificial aid to overtaking to liven the year up a bit?

Which means, if theoretically Hamilton has a string of bad starts like he did in 2016, he may find himself stuck behind slower cars. Now that's a plot that could add a bit of spice to the championship.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:09 am 
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Which means, if theoretically Hamilton has a string of bad starts like he did in 2016, he may find himself stuck behind slower cars. Now that's a plot that could add a bit of spice to the championship.

Hamilton was pretty good at overtaking in 2007 and 2008. It's so hard to get right, people don't want overtaking to be artificial yet they want it to be a regular occurrence.

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Kimi takes 1st with 1:23.718 on medium tyres


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F1 2017 TEST LIVE 24/7 - Formula One Testing Day 2 Barcelona [Teds NoteBook Live Here at 9pm]
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F1Tyrant wrote:
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Which means, if theoretically Hamilton has a string of bad starts like he did in 2016, he may find himself stuck behind slower cars. Now that's a plot that could add a bit of spice to the championship.

Hamilton was pretty good at overtaking in 2007 and 2008. It's so hard to get right, people don't want overtaking to be artificial yet they want it to be a regular occurrence.

This. The number of overtakes isn't the determining factor for many. I'd rather have a handful of decent overtakes in a race than a procession of DRS or crappy tyre assisted ones. If the tyres mean the drivers can push and harrass the cars in front then for me it's a huge leap forward


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There's some live footage that has started now on the above youtube link.

I know it's not much but it's the best I can find.


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The footage is better than I expected. The Toro Rosso looks tremendous on track.

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The McLaren also looks glorious.

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The guy just said he's stopping his streaming and will be back in 30 minutes from a different part of the track. When he gets going again I will post the link again.

Those who missed the action, it is being replayed for the next 30 minutes before he comes back to show us more LIVE footage.


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Renault hoping to finish some races on the podium, Mclaren hoping to finish some races too


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From @Gary Anderson

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It's interesting that Hamilton has produced the fastest time of the day so far at the start of a long run on soft tyres, and it gives us a potential insight into what the Mercedes could be capable with on low fuel. If he did that 1m21.7s with around 80kg of fuel on board that would be worth around 2.4 seconds - so a 21.7s becomes a 19.3s. If he had a race-starting fuel load of closer to 100kg then the potential lap time could be even faster. It's unlikely Mercedes would do a long run like this on a much lower fuel load, as teams need to learn about the tyres when they are under the most stress, and that comes early in a race when the cars are heavy.


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Which means, if theoretically Hamilton has a string of bad starts like he did in 2016, he may find himself stuck behind slower cars. Now that's a plot that could add a bit of spice to the championship.

Hamilton was pretty good at overtaking in 2007 and 2008. It's so hard to get right, people don't want overtaking to be artificial yet they want it to be a regular occurrence.

This. The number of overtakes isn't the determining factor for many. I'd rather have a handful of decent overtakes in a race than a procession of DRS or crappy tyre assisted ones. If the tyres mean the drivers can push and harrass the cars in front then for me it's a huge leap forward


The tyres have gone in a good direction if they can be run hard and not deteriorate much - but if the cars cannot follow the car in front closely, then that gets negated. What they might do is make tyres that wear out, to give two pit stops. ie. the tyres have a thinner layer of the faster compound, but when it wears through, the next layer is slow enough to make it worthwhile to pit stop.

Testing is seemingly showing that the new owners have a problem to overcome if they want to make F1 more entertaining.

I'd like to see genuine overtakes and cars able to harass the car in front. It's looking like qualifying and starting are going to be even bigger factors this year.


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Sauber having to change the PU.

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Force India looking good here for a change.

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Force India looking good here for a change.



Sorry, but I'm not on board. x( :-P


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From Autosport:
'I've just spent a bit of time standing by the pitlane exit where the drivers do their practice starts and you can get a good look at the cars. Of the top three teams, the Red Bull is the most basic car. There's nothing trick on there and it's all smooth surfaces so I expect there will be parts to come there. If I was writing a development list for the big teams, I would say Mercedes needs to concentrate on the bargeboard area, as although it has a sophisticated arrangement it hasn't fully exploited what is possible. For Ferrari, the focus would be on the diffuser. For Red Bull, it would be both areas.'
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I will admit that Gary Anderson has forgotten more about car design than I've ever known, but his pre-season insights into the cars always seem to be well off the mark.

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From Autosport:
Latest from Honda on today's problems: "We lost power to the power unit. At the moment we don't know what has caused the issue. We are currently changing the power unit in order to investigate fully and identify the cause. We will update you when we have further information."
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It really isn't looking good for McLaren. I really hope they can sort their problems out!

I don't know whether Haas are pushing slightly harder than others on track but they've had two decent days so far.

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Hamilton did 1:20.983 on supersoft tyres


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It's early days but I think it's blatantly apparent that Mercedes are strong. No surprise there.


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Latest from Honda on today's problems: "We lost power to the power unit. At the moment we don't know what has caused the issue. We are currently changing the power unit in order to investigate fully and identify the cause. We will update you when we have further information."
Lawrence Barretto


I personally think it's embarrassing for Honda that going into their third year they still have constant issues with their PU.


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Very embarrassing. That one year they are behind the others is still costing them a ton. Unbelievable.


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From Autosport:
Latest from Honda on today's problems: "We lost power to the power unit. At the moment we don't know what has caused the issue. We are currently changing the power unit in order to investigate fully and identify the cause. We will update you when we have further information."
Lawrence Barretto


I personally think it's embarrassing for Honda that going into their third year they still have constant issues with their PU.


I just feel they don't like a functional car!

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All the early signs are showing this is going to be exactly like last season, mercedes pretty much in their own category and the rest scrapping for the left overs.


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Hamilton has a 1:20:983 on SS tyres.


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Confirmed they have to re-design the oil tank on the McHonda which means they also have to re-design some packaging of the PU. Good luck getting that done and actually working by the start of the second test.

If they can get any sort of useful running from these 8 days I'll fall of my chair. Oh and whoever decided to hold the only two test periods so bloody close to each other can bite me as well.

Not taking part in the Pirelli tyre tests was bad enough, they needed this time to understand the tyres and learn real world data about the car(new hpc suspension especially) and push forward with development with both the car and PU. Mercedes are testing double T-Wings while McLaren have to run their PU de-tuned to the max and swap it for a new one every 20 laps so that the bloody oil doesn't pish all over everything.

Learning nothing about absolutely everything.

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babararacucudada wrote:
This is the important bit.

http://www.planetf1.com/news/day-one-ce ... ing-fears/

Doodley little wings and double barge boards are just distractions. The cars are wider, heavier, faster, use more fuel and are less suited for racing.

Maybe they can invent a new artificial aid to overtaking to liven the year up a bit?

Well some of us said this all along including Mercedes, but some just saw this as Mercedes trying to protect their own interests, so if Mercedes are against the new cars then that's a good thing because the priority for some was to end the Mercedes domination rather than come up with cars that actually improve the racing with Red Bull leading the way with cars that best suit their own interests, when Horner was asked that overtaking might become more difficult with the new cars his response was merely maybe the power of the DRS will need to be increased?

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All the early signs are showing this is going to be exactly like last season, mercedes pretty much in their own category and the rest scrapping for the left overs.


I'm sorry but no. I'm not saying that won't be the case, but you simply can't say that at this point. Ferrari are having a good test and are not showing to be slower so far - remember they did their best times on two compounds harder tyres.

Either way nobody is going at full blast.

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Zoue wrote:
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Which means, if theoretically Hamilton has a string of bad starts like he did in 2016, he may find himself stuck behind slower cars. Now that's a plot that could add a bit of spice to the championship.

Hamilton was pretty good at overtaking in 2007 and 2008. It's so hard to get right, people don't want overtaking to be artificial yet they want it to be a regular occurrence.

This. The number of overtakes isn't the determining factor for many. I'd rather have a handful of decent overtakes in a race than a procession of DRS or crappy tyre assisted ones. If the tyres mean the drivers can push and harrass the cars in front then for me it's a huge leap forward

Being able to harass drivers in front didn't stop the Trulli trains of the past, how can people not see this is the wrong way to go, we will not get good racing until Brawn takes over the reigns and has carte blanche over the technical rules rather than the teams themselves politicking over the rules that they want.

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Confirmed they have to re-design the oil tank on the McHonda which means they also have to re-design some packaging of the PU. Good luck getting that done and actually working by the start of the second test.

If they can get any sort of useful running from these 8 days I'll fall of my chair. Oh and whoever decided to hold the only two test periods so bloody close to each other can bite me as well.

Not taking part in the Pirelli tyre tests was bad enough, they needed this time to understand the tyres and learn real world data about the car(new hpc suspension especially) and push forward with development with both the car and PU. Mercedes are testing double T-Wings while McLaren have to run their PU de-tuned to the max and swap it for a new one every 20 laps so that the bloody oil doesn't pish all over everything.

Learning nothing about absolutely everything.

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I despair. I'm usually defending McHonda but it's getting harder and harder I must say. :uhoh:


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Which means, if theoretically Hamilton has a string of bad starts like he did in 2016, he may find himself stuck behind slower cars. Now that's a plot that could add a bit of spice to the championship.

Hamilton was pretty good at overtaking in 2007 and 2008. It's so hard to get right, people don't want overtaking to be artificial yet they want it to be a regular occurrence.

This. The number of overtakes isn't the determining factor for many. I'd rather have a handful of decent overtakes in a race than a procession of DRS or crappy tyre assisted ones. If the tyres mean the drivers can push and harrass the cars in front then for me it's a huge leap forward

Being able to harass drivers in front didn't stop the Trulli trains of the past, how can people not see this is the wrong way to go, we will not get good racing until Brawn takes over the reigns and has carte blanche over the technical rules rather than the teams themselves politicking over the rules that they want.


Lots of easy overtaking does not make for good racing IMO.

Late 90s - early 00s level had it about right. An overtake was hard thought and that made every single one exciting, an event. When an overtake becomes a formality it loses all excitement for me.

Given the choice I would much rather have drivers driving right on the edge for lap after lap with few overtakes than have them driving slowly in easy cars with many overtakes.


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Confirmed they have to re-design the oil tank on the McHonda which means they also have to re-design some packaging of the PU. Good luck getting that done and actually working by the start of the second test.

If they can get any sort of useful running from these 8 days I'll fall of my chair. Oh and whoever decided to hold the only two test periods so bloody close to each other can bite me as well.

Not taking part in the Pirelli tyre tests was bad enough, they needed this time to understand the tyres and learn real world data about the car(new hpc suspension especially) and push forward with development with both the car and PU. Mercedes are testing double T-Wings while McLaren have to run their PU de-tuned to the max and swap it for a new one every 20 laps so that the bloody oil doesn't pish all over everything.

Learning nothing about absolutely everything.

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I despair. I'm usually defending McHonda but it's getting harder and harder I must say. :uhoh:

Yep this is really the team that I wanted to make a big step forward this season, Alonso must be feeling himself growing older by the minute.

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