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I take it honda must have just flown in a special version of the engine that has just been put together at the factory and hasnt has chance to go on the test bed or anything but is so awesome that they had to get it on the car straight away.

oh, no they're just ****


Alonso had said Mercedes had got in touch with him after Rosberg retired.

Guess, he should've shown more interest & not paid attention to seeing out his contract at McHonda!


I think they talked to a lot of drivers, Sainz was another who confirmed his people were spoken to but RB were adamant he's going nowhere.

I don't think it was an actual offer or anything.


Alonso himself even said exactly that, that it was nothing more than Mercedes calling around to see who was available. It sounds like whether he was interested or not, he was very much unavailable so that was as far as it got.


Yeah I think they got that response from a few guys, Sainz and Alonso certainly and I'd expect Seb and Bull boys too at least.

This years silly season is going to be pretty interesting with Bottas,Sainz(?),Seb and Alonso all available anyway.

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Macca saying they'll be back out this afternoon. Fingers crossed they get some good running this afternoon.

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Does anyone have complete access to Autosport articles by Gary Anderson?

He has given a review regarding Force India & McLaren about being good or bad cars overall as per design.

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Macca saying they'll be back out this afternoon. Fingers crossed they get some good running this afternoon.

Fingers crossed they get any running this afternoon!


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Macca saying they'll be back out this afternoon. Fingers crossed they get some good running this afternoon.

Fingers crossed they get any running this afternoon!


:lol: Harsh but true.

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Honda have decided to change the engine to save time and will investigate the problem further.

What's the betting it happens again on the new unit?. I'll be an optimist and go for it was finger trouble on the first unit and they'll do fine.

Fingers crossed anyway.

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Alonso's power unit has been changed as well.

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Alonso's power unit has been changed as well.


Whose has been replaced other than Alonso's?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:51 pm 
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I'm a newcomer when it comes to following pre-season testing. I've followed F1 for a while now but I usually just watch the qualifying and the races but i'm really looking forward to this season so i'm paying a lot more attention.

This may be a silly question, but does the pre season testing give any indication to the overall performance of the car during a race weekend?


Not as per times but surely as per reliability.

First test should be all about testing the aerodynamic parts & tyres. There will be lots of sandbagging.

You could expect Sauber to try run low fuel loads to top the times so as to attract more sponsors.

I don't think we will know anything about reliability either. Mercdes in 2016 probably drove record mileage in winter yet the car wasn't very reliable.


The 2016 Mercedes is still the most reliable Hybrid car ever. 1 car DNF from 42 races, compared to the 3 of the 2015 car and the 4 of the 2014 car.

The 2001-2005 and 2010-2014 lead Ferrari suffered no failures but the number 2 car had multiple over this period, people over look that. The 2016 Mercedes is one of the most reliable F1 cars of all time. Its just the spotlight was on both cars and it happened to decide the title - the car was still however ultra reliable in the grand scheme of things.


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I'm a newcomer when it comes to following pre-season testing. I've followed F1 for a while now but I usually just watch the qualifying and the races but i'm really looking forward to this season so i'm paying a lot more attention.

This may be a silly question, but does the pre season testing give any indication to the overall performance of the car during a race weekend?


Not as per times but surely as per reliability.

First test should be all about testing the aerodynamic parts & tyres. There will be lots of sandbagging.

You could expect Sauber to try run low fuel loads to top the times so as to attract more sponsors.

I don't think we will know anything about reliability either. Mercdes in 2016 probably drove record mileage in winter yet the car wasn't very reliable.


The 2016 Mercedes is still the most reliable Hybrid car ever. 1 car DNF from 42 races, compared to the 3 of the 2015 car and the 4 of the 2014 car.

The 2001-2005 and 2010-2014 lead Ferrari suffered no failures but the number 2 car had multiple over this period, people over look that. The 2016 Mercedes is one of the most reliable F1 cars of all time. Its just the spotlight was on both cars and it happened to decide the title - the car was still however ultra reliable in the grand scheme of things.


You just look at races.

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Hamilton has suffered five specific instances of debilitating unreliability this year. They are:

An ERS failure at the start of qualifying in China, relegating him to 22nd on the grid. He finished seventh.
An ERS failure during Q3 in Russia, restricting the Mercedes driver to 10th on the grid. He finished second.
An engine mode issue during the European GP. He finished fifth having started in 10th following a crash in qualifying.
A hydraulics fault during Practice Two in Singapore which was cited as a critical factor in his defeat to Rosberg. He finished third.
An engine blow-out in Malaysia which cost him an almost-certain victory.


Source: http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/24181/ ... his-season

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dizlexik wrote:
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I'm a newcomer when it comes to following pre-season testing. I've followed F1 for a while now but I usually just watch the qualifying and the races but i'm really looking forward to this season so i'm paying a lot more attention.

This may be a silly question, but does the pre season testing give any indication to the overall performance of the car during a race weekend?


Not as per times but surely as per reliability.

First test should be all about testing the aerodynamic parts & tyres. There will be lots of sandbagging.

You could expect Sauber to try run low fuel loads to top the times so as to attract more sponsors.

I don't think we will know anything about reliability either. Mercdes in 2016 probably drove record mileage in winter yet the car wasn't very reliable.


The 2016 Mercedes is still the most reliable Hybrid car ever. 1 car DNF from 42 races, compared to the 3 of the 2015 car and the 4 of the 2014 car.

The 2001-2005 and 2010-2014 lead Ferrari suffered no failures but the number 2 car had multiple over this period, people over look that. The 2016 Mercedes is one of the most reliable F1 cars of all time. Its just the spotlight was on both cars and it happened to decide the title - the car was still however ultra reliable in the grand scheme of things.


You just look at races.

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How unlucky has Hamilton been?
Hamilton has suffered five specific instances of debilitating unreliability this year. They are:

An ERS failure at the start of qualifying in China, relegating him to 22nd on the grid. He finished seventh.
An ERS failure during Q3 in Russia, restricting the Mercedes driver to 10th on the grid. He finished second.
An engine mode issue during the European GP. He finished fifth having started in 10th following a crash in qualifying.
A hydraulics fault during Practice Two in Singapore which was cited as a critical factor in his defeat to Rosberg. He finished third.
An engine blow-out in Malaysia which cost him an almost-certain victory.


Source: http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/24181/ ... his-season


Can we keep on topic please - this has been discussed over the off-season ad nauseam. I don't think it needs to be gone over again in the testing thread.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:59 pm 
Yes, Hamilton had a few issues in qualifying sessions too, but he also did in 2014 and not so much in 2015. But the car was still easily the most reliable hybrid car 2014-2016. Schumacher and Alonso when they set their records for reliability also had issues in practice, qualifying and races.

The reason the car appears so unreliable is that it all happened on one side (which is normal, it always happened to Barrichello and Massa too) but unusually it happened to the reigning champion and better driver for once. It was still the most reliable car in 2016.


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That shark fin wobbles so much. That can't be beneficial can it?

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Massa goes fastest with a time of 1:22:727.

Retiring was not the best option afterall.

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I've been critical about the Renault but after seeing some photos with the car on track ,I have to say it looks very nice :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Massa goes fastest with a time of 1:22:727.

Retiring was not the best option afterall.


That's a shade quicker than the fastest testing time overall last year.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:34 pm 
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Massa goes fastest with a time of 1:22:727.

Retiring was not the best option afterall.


That's a shade quicker than the fastest testing time overall last year.


Does anybody know how much time they found from day one to final test last year?


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Merc- 100 laps... :nod:


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From Gary Anderson:
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The Ferrari looking OK. Vettel seems to have a level of grip that is similar to Hamilton.
So that's promising for Ferrari, as the car certainly wasn't running out of grip.
Still early days but from what we are seeing right now, which is only a few laps at Turn 3,
Ferrari could be on a position to give Mercedes a bit of a fight.


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The Renault livery is gorgeous. Easily my favorite.

Have any proper images of the Red Bull been posted yet?


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Can we keep on topic please - this has been discussed over the off-season ad nauseam. I don't think it needs to be gone over again in the testing thread.

I just wanted to show that the car wasn't reliable, so testing isn't good way to find out how reliable is car.

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Massa goes fastest with a time of 1:22:727.

Retiring was not the best option afterall.


That's a shade quicker than the fastest testing time overall last year.


Does anybody know how much time they found from day one to final test last year?


Fastest on day 1 was Vettel on 1.24.939. Overall it was Raikkonen on 1:22.765 - so around 2.2 seconds.

I wonder if we'll be under 1.20 by the end of testing?

The lap record is 1:21.670 according to wikipedia.

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Dont forget Ferrari love topping the timesheets in testing.


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The lap record is 1:21.670 according to wikipedia.


That's race lap. Webber set pole with 1:19.995 in 2010.

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Red Bull won't be out for some time.

This time it's battery issue.

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McLaren back on track

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Alonso returns to the pits with a crawling car & with the engine switched off!

It's gotta be so frustrating for Alonso.

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Aaaand he's back in the pits crawling pace and with the engine switched off.

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The lap record is 1:21.670 according to wikipedia.


That's race lap. Webber set pole with 1:19.995 in 2010.


Hamilton already at 1:21:765, and that's not even in to Supersoft territory yet..


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:12 pm 
Thanks for the times, I think we will be comfortably into the 18s by the end of testing


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Last year's fastest lap time in pre-season testing was 1:22.765, set by Kimi. Seb's just done a 1:22.791 on Mediums


It's expected that the cars should be atleast 4 seconds faster. That means Sauber should beat that time handsomely as well.

Oh absolutely. But to get so close to it on the first morning of testing bodes well. None of the cars should be breaking much of a sweat, yet.


Yeah I expected to see some 19s at some point this week. Otherwise we know they are heavily sandbagging.


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Can you watch testing anywhere?


Some people are streaming on periscope but nothing official. I'll dig out a link for anyone interested.

https://www.periscope.tv/publogic/1djxXvwDzykGZ

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Some people are streaming on periscope but nothing official. I'll dig out a link for anyone interested.

https://www.periscope.tv/publogic/1djxXvwDzykGZ


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@F1_Ernie No problem :thumbup:


McLaren back out and makes it round to start another lap.

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Alonso finally manages a lap! He does a 1:26.110, which is not bad at all for an opening effort

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