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What happened to Dani? I missed the start and within a few laps he was dead last.


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What happened to Dani? I missed the start and within a few laps he was dead last.

Dani just struggles to get heat into the tires because he's so light.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:13 pm 
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What happened to Dani? I missed the start and within a few laps he was dead last.

Dani just struggles to get heat into the tires because he's so light.

So he just got overtaken by the 12 guys behind him?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:26 pm 
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Flyboy--he was 5 seconds a lap slower than the leaders at one point. Cal Crutchlow crashed, went to dead last, got up, and passed Pedrosa before the end of the race. His weight is a huge penalty in rain races with these Michelin tires. As sandman stated, he can't get them to warm up, therefore he can't get any lean angle, he can't get any traction, and he can't stop the bike with any authority. Every lap gets worse and worse.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:51 pm 
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What happened to Dani? I missed the start and within a few laps he was dead last.

Dani just struggles to get heat into the tires because he's so light.

So he just got overtaken by the 12 guys behind him?

As Cold Gin mentioned above, the problem compounds itself over the course of the race distance. Dani struggles early in extreme wet conditions to get heat into the tires and the issue grows from there as he then cannot get up to the right pace to get temperature into the brakes etc. With Bridgestones this wasn't nearly as big of an issue but with these tires he really struggles.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:27 am 
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Flyboy--he was 5 seconds a lap slower than the leaders at one point. Cal Crutchlow crashed, went to dead last, got up, and passed Pedrosa before the end of the race. His weight is a huge penalty in rain races with these Michelin tires. As sandman stated, he can't get them to warm up, therefore he can't get any lean angle, he can't get any traction, and he can't stop the bike with any authority. Every lap gets worse and worse.


Look at Jerez last time out. When its a hot day no one can hold a candle to him. The purest, most economical style I've ever seen.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:43 pm 
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When the conditions are favorable to him, yes, he rides very well. Said favorable conditions have becoming a lot more sparse in the Michelin era. On THAT particular hot day in jerez, he was faster than all. It just doesn't happen every time out, and his diminutive size punishes him with tires unless he can get them to certain window of warmth and grip. Obviously in the rain, he has no chance with these Michelins, and that wasn't the case with the Bridgestones.

Another thing that is puzzling, he used to have starts that made everyone else look pedestrian in comparison, and that just doesn't happen anymore. I miss seeing that, him being a demon off the line.

Pedrosa is a very likeable rider, and he is easily one of the best that has never won a title. It sadly looks unlikely that he'll challenge again, he is obviously not going to do it this season unless something calamitous occurs to the leading guys. I don't see him ripping off several wins in a row on pure pace over Marquez, Dovi, or Vinales. I may be wrong, it could happen, but I don't think so.

Nothing against Pedrosa, either. This new era of regulations---tires, engines, and software---have in general disadvantaged him. I do think, barring any crashes or further rain races, he has an outside chance of competing for third in the table. Something will have to go wrong for someone though, and he is going to have to be on the podium regularly, and snag a couple of wins. Never know---this season has been full of surprises.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:37 am 
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Thanks to everyone for their answers. I just didn't know how disadvantaged he was by cold/wet conditions on these tyres. I remember him leading races in the rain and pulling away at a spectacular rate (before falling off). If his mass is compounding the problem, could they add weight to the bike to help in the wet?


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http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/882364 ... or-pedrosa

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Why does he not have a lead-lined suit for wet races???

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Because it'd very likely hinder movement so much to cause crashes, or awkward riding and very slow times. I believe they can ballast the motorcycle, but in Pedrosa's case, it doesn't make enough of a difference. Being agile and nimble on the bike is everything. I think I've read somewhere that Pedrosa weighs around 115 pounds. He's truly jockey-size.

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http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/882719 ... -wednesday

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Rossi!!! Unreal performance.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:21 pm 
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Cold Gin wrote:
Rossi!!! Unreal performance.


Phenomenal grit, bravery and skills. Hope he gets the result he deserves from this.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:54 am 
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Rossi, what a legend!

Fingers crossed for a good result today.

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Just can't say enough about Rossi, 5th with broken leg in 2 places. My god what a race.


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Brilliant race to watch on a fabulous circuit. Rossi showing sensational grit and determination. Lorenzo showing continual improvement and pace as his riding evolves on the Ducati. Marquez again displaying ability that illustrates why he's the best rider in the world. It's almost unfair the extra 10% he has.

Tough race for Dovi, probably a track that doesn't suit him, but a mediocre performance when he needed to come up big. Vinales fairing a bit better, but this too was an overall disappointment for his title hopes.

Special honors to Mika Kallio-Bradley Smith should be very, very concerned.

Hopefully the final races will produce the same excitement. What a season!

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Joan Mir is one to watch. He is having the best Moto3 season I've ever seen. Okay he's already turned 20 years of age but I still think he will be a great rider at the higher levels. Another brilliant performance from him today and he has basically wrapped up the championship at this point.

Another one to watch is Morbidelli. He seemed like another Iannone last year but this year he has proven that he is beyond that. He still has that all or nothing mentality but he has been extremely consistent for the most part this year. Will be interesting to see what he does next year in MotoGP. I really can't predict his future as far as whether or not he'll be a star in the premiere class.

In the main event, awesome performance by Marc. He is truly the best rider on earth and he proves it almost every race weekend. The Hondas got it right here but it was great to see Lorenzo on form and on the podium. It's really starting to come together for him I think and I predict that he will be a threat for the championship next season.

Terrible weekend for Dovi and he will need to avoid having anymore like that if he wants to win this championship. He may never have a better chance in his career to win one.


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My preference for Dovi to win it this year took a major blow. Very disappointed in the result

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Think Marquez has one hand on the trophy now and just needs to make sure he doesnt DNF. Dovi doesnt go well at Philip Island so has to produce excellent results at Sepang and Motegi

Morbidelli went well in the second half of last year as well. Has been good this year but I still think this years Moto2 is a weak championship.

Mir has been impressive in Moto3 but I think Binder was better last year.

I like the races this weekend. Much better having smaller gaps in between the races


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Zazu wrote:
Mir has been impressive in Moto3 but I think Binder was better last year.


Your good right of course, but what are you going by then? After 14 races Mir has more wins than Binder after 18, and he's on target to outscore Binder too. Also taking into account Binder needed 5 full seasons to do what he did while Mir is in his second...


In other news, Mir has gotten a penalty for dangerous riding yesterday. But it's a bit of a joke: he has a 6 place grid penalty for next race. Yeah, a six place grid penalty in Moto3, like that is going to matter just one bit. Spanish rider winning in Spain, could anyone have seen a Spanish organisation take a win away? :)

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Binder was on a dreadful bike for most of his lower class career. Last year he was on the podium every round when it was dry and when he was on song he was in a class of his own. Admittedly his wet weather form wasnt great.

I don't think mir has had a pole this year yet. The one thing I'd give him a lot of credit for is he has won an incredible amount of races this year where there is a group of potential winners at the start of the last lap.

In moto3 pretty much every thing goes on the last lap. Could quite easily start from the back of the grid in motegi and still win


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Zazu wrote:
Binder was on a dreadful bike for most of his lower class career.


Nah that's not right. In 3 out of his 5 years he had a race-winning bike. One year obviously he won the title, but two other years (2012, 2014) his team mate (resp. Salom and Oliveira) won multiple races and ended up second in the overall standings. He was also beaten by Oliveira in 2013.

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I don't think mir has had a pole this year yet. The one thing I'd give him a lot of credit for is he has won an incredible amount of races this year where there is a group of potential winners at the start of the last lap.

In moto3 pretty much every thing goes on the last lap. Could quite easily start from the back of the grid in motegi and still win


Definitely true, all of this, but then that makes it harder to actually win a race since so often it looks like it could be anyone taking the win - the fact that Mir prevails so much means his racing instinct is incredibly good.

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Luis salom was class in moto3, as was Olivera.

In 2013 and 2014 he was on a mahindra which was most definitely not a good bike. iirc Bagnaia is the only person to win on that bike

I'm not saying he's the best rider I've seen overal in the lower class. But in 2016 who was dominant. I notably remember jerez where he won at a canter having been relegated to last due to a technical infringement.


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When I said that Mir was having the best Moto3 season I've ever seen, I meant specifically Moto3. Marc Marquez had a better year in the old 125cc class back in 2010 as did Rossi back in 1997. In the old 250cc class, Daijiro Katoh had a better year in 2001. In Moto2, Marquez again in 2012 had a dominant year.

In the Moto3 class, Binder last year was amazing. I'll never forget that win from dead last on the grid at Jerez. The first of many victories for Brad. That was close to as good as this year for Mir but Mir has been a bit better IMO. He's always there every race and his performances in the dying laps of close races has been brilliant. He seems to always find a way to win. I think I heard that he will be joining Olivera and Binder at KTM next year in Moto2. That should be a pretty special team.


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Zazu wrote:
Luis salom was class in moto3, as was Olivera.

In 2013 and 2014 he was on a mahindra which was most definitely not a good bike. iirc Bagnaia is the only person to win on that bike


You're right, I mixed up the years. I meant 2012 and 2015, next to 2016 obviously. So no he was not on a dreadful bike for most of his Moto3 tenure, he was on a winning bike for most it. He just managed to step it up in 2016.

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