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This race seems poised to be the most exciting race of the season so far!

Can't predict the winner....

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The cynic in me says Mercedes might try to get Hamilton in front via pit stops. But then they might pull for Bottas' first ever win more.

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Looking forward to a great battle between Mercedes and Ferrari yet again.


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Difficult to look past the Mercs, tbh, unless Vettel is a lot kinder on his tyres. Although Lewis was also 0.2s faster than anyone else on long runs in Free Practice, so it's not looking great for Ferrari / competition I have to say


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Should be an interesting race between both mercs. Bottas needs to beat Hamilton tomorrow to get the confidence boost he needs after his clumsy mistake in China. I believe he can do it, but we'll see.


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Difficult to look past the Mercs, tbh, unless Vettel is a lot kinder on his tyres. Although Lewis was also 0.2s faster than anyone else on long runs in Free Practice, so it's not looking great for Ferrari / competition I have to say


Oh is that so? That sneaky fibber Hamilton reckoned Ferrari were 0.2 (couple of tenths) up. Got a source for the data?


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I always think if this was located in a better part of the world it would be one of the best races to attend. Cars look great under the lights and a fantastic track.


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Difficult to look past the Mercs, tbh, unless Vettel is a lot kinder on his tyres. Although Lewis was also 0.2s faster than anyone else on long runs in Free Practice, so it's not looking great for Ferrari / competition I have to say


Oh is that so? That sneaky fibber Hamilton reckoned Ferrari were 0.2 (couple of tenths) up. Got a source for the data?

sorry, no. It was in the live timing commentary which I've shut down now


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Zoue wrote:
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Difficult to look past the Mercs, tbh, unless Vettel is a lot kinder on his tyres. Although Lewis was also 0.2s faster than anyone else on long runs in Free Practice, so it's not looking great for Ferrari / competition I have to say


Oh is that so? That sneaky fibber Hamilton reckoned Ferrari were 0.2 (couple of tenths) up. Got a source for the data?

sorry, no. It was in the live timing commentary which I've shut down now


That's good enough for me.


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Pat Symonds said that Ferrari complaining about understeer and being off the pace in quali could mean their race setup is protecting the rear tyres on a rear-limited track.

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The start will be something tomorrow. Turn 1 is going to be absolutely nuts IMO.


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Pat Symonds said that Ferrari complaining about understeer and being off the pace in quali could mean their race setup is protecting the rear tyres on a rear-limited track.

Yes, I've read that, too. Hope he's right!


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Pat Symonds said that Ferrari complaining about understeer and being off the pace in quali could mean their race setup is protecting the rear tyres on a rear-limited track.

Yep Wolff mentioned this as well, Hamilton also ran with more understeer than Bottas, I think Bottas might be a cork in the bottle?

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Carlos Sainz will be key. He's out of position speed wise, and should make enough progress to be in and around the front guys when they stop first.


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Pat Symonds said that Ferrari complaining about understeer and being off the pace in quali could mean their race setup is protecting the rear tyres on a rear-limited track.

Yep Wolff mentioned this as well, Hamilton also ran with more understeer than Bottas, I think Bottas might be a cork in the bottle?

The Bottas part is just speculation by the sky team though and not something put forth by Mercedes.

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Are we all assuming Ferrari are "setting up" the cars with loose rear ends? Have we see them this week end (at night) running any other way?


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Zazu wrote:
I always think if this was located in a better part of the world it would be one of the best races to attend. Cars look great under the lights and a fantastic track.


If you have ever been to this race you won't say what you are saying! Just the way people knock Abu dhabi race, it has one of the best fan engagement from live performances to circuit entertainment which compared to silverstone, that's only got the fanzone you will quickly realise the middle east races are very good value for money races!


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Covalent wrote:
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Pat Symonds said that Ferrari complaining about understeer and being off the pace in quali could mean their race setup is protecting the rear tyres on a rear-limited track.

Yep Wolff mentioned this as well, Hamilton also ran with more understeer than Bottas, I think Bottas might be a cork in the bottle?

The Bottas part is just speculation by the sky team though and not something put forth by Mercedes.

No it was an observation by Paul di Resta, a former F1 driver.

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Are we all assuming Ferrari are "setting up" the cars with loose rear ends? Have we see them this week end (at night) running any other way?

Surely the opposite, planted rear ends to protect rear tyre wear?

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Well, I was half asleep for some of quali and totally asleep for most of it but I thought I heard one expert saying that an understeery car was the slowest way around and that the best drivers always got more out of a car that was pointy and on the limit of oversteer power sliding slip.


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pokerman wrote:
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Are we all assuming Ferrari are "setting up" the cars with loose rear ends? Have we see them this week end (at night) running any other way?

Surely the opposite, planted rear ends to protect rear tyre wear?

This. The drivers are dialing in more understeer than usual for this rear-limited circuit.


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Words from Vettel after qualifying:

"But tomorrow it should be closer, and hopefully we’ll have a tight race. The car feels good for Sunday."

I think the Ferrari cars are setup for race trim more than concentrating on 1 lap pace. Afterall, Ferrari have the ability to make the tyres last longer.

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UnlikeUday wrote:
This race seems poised to be the most exciting race of the season so far!

Can't predict the winner....

Seriously though, don't they all?


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I hope Renault can maintain their position for the race and this this is the start of a march towards the podium positions for them.


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I hope Renault can maintain their position for the race and this this is the start of a march towards the podium positions for them.


The Hulk is has had some pretty bad luck in the races so far. However he is putting that car where it should be.
I now view Palmer as one of the worst in F1. After last year I thought he deserved another shot. Now he has a quality team mate, it is really showing how bad he is.
Is there a possibility Renault might pull his plug before the end of the season, and who do they have as a reserve?
I think Alonso should consider another stint with Renault for 2018-2020!

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Randine wrote:
GingerFurball wrote:
I hope Renault can maintain their position for the race and this this is the start of a march towards the podium positions for them.


The Hulk is has had some pretty bad luck in the races so far. However he is putting that car where it should be.
I now view Palmer as one of the worst in F1. After last year I thought he deserved another shot. Now he has a quality team mate, it is really showing how bad he is.
Is there a possibility Renault might pull his plug before the end of the season, and who do they have as a reserve?
I think Alonso should consider another stint with Renault for 2018-2020!


Rowland is Renault's reserve driver.


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Some poor getaways for drivers at the start on the dirty side of the grid in both F2 races this weekend. Will we see a similar thing in F1?


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Some poor getaways for drivers at the start on the dirty side of the grid in both F2 races this weekend. Will we see a similar thing in F1?

Ah, that must have been Kimi's plan all along - get outqualified by Ricciardo and thereby start on the clean side. Sneaky! :lol:


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I'm really.looking forward to this race. Bahrain almost always gives us good racing and live coverage on C4 for UK viewers so win win :)

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Honda has no idea why Alonso's engine failed. It could have been the heat, the sand, whatever, they dont know.

Alonso's new engine will be run uncalibrated and to improve survivability, will be detuned rather significantly so that it does not blow up.

How Alonso has the fortitude to sit in front of this lump of an engine is mind boggling. I seriously hope he has a good time at Indy.


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Well, I was half asleep for some of quali and totally asleep for most of it but I thought I heard one expert saying that an understeery car was the slowest way around and that the best drivers always got more out of a car that was pointy and on the limit of oversteer power sliding slip.

That's true for ultimate lap time but doesn't help as much in a race were there is high rear tyre deg.

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Randine wrote:
GingerFurball wrote:
I hope Renault can maintain their position for the race and this this is the start of a march towards the podium positions for them.


The Hulk is has had some pretty bad luck in the races so far. However he is putting that car where it should be.
I now view Palmer as one of the worst in F1. After last year I thought he deserved another shot. Now he has a quality team mate, it is really showing how bad he is.
Is there a possibility Renault might pull his plug before the end of the season, and who do they have as a reserve?
I think Alonso should consider another stint with Renault for 2018-2020!

Russian drive Sergey Sirotkin is the reserve driver.

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pokerman wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:
Well, I was half asleep for some of quali and totally asleep for most of it but I thought I heard one expert saying that an understeery car was the slowest way around and that the best drivers always got more out of a car that was pointy and on the limit of oversteer power sliding slip.

That's true for ultimate lap time but doesn't help as much in a race were there is high rear tyre deg.

If I recall correctly, out of the top 3 qualifiers, the the sky commentators seemed to indicate that Bottas had the most pointy car, followed by Hamilton and then Vettel.

Considering it's a rear limited track, I think this puts Vettel in a very strong position for the race.


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As long as if Hamilton isn't the leading Merc round turn 1 I reckon Vettel will be really confident for the win.
If Bottas is leading I can't see him pulling away from Hamilton and Vettel. Will make interesting viewing on Mercs strategy.

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If Bottas is leading I can't see him pulling away from Hamilton and Vettel. Will make interesting viewing on Mercs strategy.

In that circumstance, would Mercedes rather Bottas lose the race or Hamilton win it? I think we may see our first team orders at Mercedes for a while. They know Ferrari will be a threat in the race.

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Randine wrote:
GingerFurball wrote:
I hope Renault can maintain their position for the race and this this is the start of a march towards the podium positions for them.


The Hulk is has had some pretty bad luck in the races so far. However he is putting that car where it should be.
I now view Palmer as one of the worst in F1. After last year I thought he deserved another shot. Now he has a quality team mate, it is really showing how bad he is.
Is there a possibility Renault might pull his plug before the end of the season, and who do they have as a reserve?
I think Alonso should consider another stint with Renault for 2018-2020!

I'd love for Alonso to return to Renault for his 3rd title, if he's not going to do it in a Ferrari.


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Great....i just found out that in the US the race is on CNBC...a channel I dont have.

Sooooo....off to find another way to watch the race.


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If they "manage" Bottas, surely he could drive the car to a victory? I mean, if they tell him the optimum settings lap by lap he can hang on to the car and stay in front? I was going to say I thought Bottas could win his fourth race for Mercedes but I have a feeling he could do it today. Historically, new team mates in the fastest car have managed it by race four.


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Honda has no idea why Alonso's engine failed. It could have been the heat, the sand, whatever, they dont know.

Alonso's new engine will be run uncalibrated and to improve survivability, will be detuned rather significantly so that it does not blow up.

How Alonso has the fortitude to sit in front of this lump of an engine is mind boggling. I seriously hope he has a good time at Indy.


Don't know where you're getting your info from but Honda know exactly what happened, it was bearings sticking together for the MGU-H caused by a water leak.

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Lotus49 wrote:
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Honda has no idea why Alonso's engine failed. It could have been the heat, the sand, whatever, they dont know.

Alonso's new engine will be run uncalibrated and to improve survivability, will be detuned rather significantly so that it does not blow up.

How Alonso has the fortitude to sit in front of this lump of an engine is mind boggling. I seriously hope he has a good time at Indy.


Don't know where you're getting your info from but Honda know exactly what happened, it was bearings sticking together for the MGU-H caused by a water leak.


Where? Planet F1's own site. Honda states quite clearly that they have no idea why the engine failed. Since Honda's engineers are quoted on record, I dont know where you get contradictory information.

http://www.planetf1.com/news/honda-dont-know-the-cause-of-latest-failure/


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15 minutes before start and Alonso's car is still in the garage. McLaren must be furiously working up to the last minute.

Edit: Not Alonso's car....it's just on his side of the garage. His teammate may not start. Major problems with the Honda engine (big surprise).


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