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The first in-season test will take place for the next 2 days (18th Apr - 19th Apr).

All teams are required to allocate at least two days of their in-season running to young drivers. A lot of teams will be trying updates / parts that they would like to evaluate before fitting them onto the car as early as Russia.

Schedule for the test:

Mercedes
Tuesday: Lewis Hamilton
Wednesday: Valtteri Bottas

Ferrari
Tuesday: Antonio Giovinazzi
Wednesday: Sebastian Vettel

Red Bull
Tuesday: Daniel Ricciardo
Wednesday: Pierre Gasly

Force India
Tuesday: Esteban Ocon (AM), Sergio Perez (PM)
Wednesday: Alfonso Celis Jr.

Williams
Tuesday: Lance Stroll (AM), Felipe Massa (PM)
Wednesday: Gary Paffett

McLaren
Tuesday: Oliver Turvey
Wednesday: Stoffel Vandoorne

Toro Rosso
Tuesday: Sean Gelael
Wednesday:Daniil Kyat (AM), Carlos Sainz (PM)

Haas
Tuesday: Romain Grosjean
Wednesday: Kevin Magnussen

Renault
Tuesday: Nico Hulkenberg
Wednesday: Sergey Sirotkin

Sauber
Tuesday: Marcus Ericsson
Wednesday: Pascal Wehrlein

P.S. - Ferrari is set to allocate one of its days in Bahrain to Pirelli tire running, helping to develop its 2018 compounds

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Maybe Alonso will take Wednesday for Renault while wearing a plain black helmet. :twisted:

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I thought Button might do this test.


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Clarky wrote:
I thought Button might do this test.

It's already been confirmed that Button won't get in the actual car until FP1 in Monaco.

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I thought Button might do this test.

It's already been confirmed that Button won't get in the actual car until FP1 in Monaco.

Bonkers


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Sergej Sirotkin to test for Renault, I heard?

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Clarky wrote:
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I thought Button might do this test.

It's already been confirmed that Button won't get in the actual car until FP1 in Monaco.

Bonkers



Are they assuming he will not need to practice for the race? I mean, Van wasted his time this week.


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moby wrote:
Clarky wrote:
RaggedMan wrote:
Clarky wrote:
I thought Button might do this test.

It's already been confirmed that Button won't get in the actual car until FP1 in Monaco.

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Are they assuming he will not need to practice for the race? I mean, Van wasted his time this week.

The logic put forth in the article I read was that Button already has experience with high downforce cars so all they feel he needs to prepare is some simulator work to learn the systems and feel of this years car.

Doesn't make much sense to me but it's their team, their money, and their reputation so who am I to criticize?

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To be fair Button might as well do a few laps in a 1996 Honda Prelude to get a feel for the McLaren, its probably going to be about as quick and reliable as the F1 car...


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RaggedMan wrote:
moby wrote:
Clarky wrote:
RaggedMan wrote:
Clarky wrote:
I thought Button might do this test.

It's already been confirmed that Button won't get in the actual car until FP1 in Monaco.

Bonkers



Are they assuming he will not need to practice for the race? I mean, Van wasted his time this week.

The logic put forth in the article I read was that Button already has experience with high downforce cars so all they feel he needs to prepare is some simulator work to learn the systems and feel of this years car.

Doesn't make much sense to me but it's their team, their money, and their reputation so who am I to criticize?




He actually has some experience of jogging around the Monaco track too if I recall correctly :twisted:


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Turvey, Paffett... Is this 2007? :)

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Turvey, Paffett... Is this 2007? :)


They have to test up-and-coming drivers somewhere :twisted:


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RaggedMan wrote:
Maybe Alonso will take Wednesday for Renault while wearing a plain black helmet. :twisted:


They should be available to be borrowed from a certain "secret" test not all that long ago. Maybe they could just rent one from them cheaply.
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The test can be followed via this link:

https://www.f1today.net/en/live/f1/225070/follow-live-the-first-day-of-the-test-in-bahrain

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To be fair Button might as well do a few laps in a 1996 Honda Prelude to get a feel for the McLaren, its probably going to be about as quick and reliable as the F1 car...


lol that pretty much sums it up


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Engine change for Turvey

McLaren and Honda are changing the engine in Oliver Turvey's car after new reliability issues have hit them in Bahrain. A water leak in the Energy Recovery Systems is the cause for all the trouble this time.

The crisis at Honda is starting to affect McLaren shareholders. Read about it here.


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I thought at least one driver had to be a rookie with no more than 2 races at most?

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Blake wrote:
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Maybe Alonso will take Wednesday for Renault while wearing a plain black helmet. :twisted:


They should be available to be borrowed from a certain "secret" test not all that long ago. Maybe they could just rent one from them cheaply.
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Well, Nico doesn't need his. :lol:

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button is pretty sure of a DNF so why practice


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button is pretty sure of a DNF so why practice


He could practice dnf's!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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They might as well have had Kevin Turvey there today for all the running he did.

(For those of you who don't remember, cos you were not born, he is an old Rick Mayall character)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B6fZPRNGHg, not F1 related so no live link


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Always wondered this but never was sure the answer.

If an engine fails during testing does it count towards the year end total? If yes, lets say in the case of Ferrari that their engine fails while testing for Pirelli does that make a difference?

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TheDamus wrote:
Always wondered this but never was sure the answer.

If an engine fails during testing does it count towards the year end total? If yes, lets say in the case of Ferrari that their engine fails while testing for Pirelli does that make a difference?


Well, if they are so stupid so as to take a race engine and it expires, then they will have to take a new one and it will count.

If they take a new unit and don't enter it in a FP2/FP3/Q/race then it will not count.

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2nd day testing live commentary:

https://www.f1today.net/en/live/f1/225105/follow-live-the-second-day-of-the-test-in-bahrain

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UnlikeUday wrote:


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TheDamus wrote:
Always wondered this but never was sure the answer.

If an engine fails during testing does it count towards the year end total? If yes, lets say in the case of Ferrari that their engine fails while testing for Pirelli does that make a difference?

No.

Pretty sure the teams don't even have to run cars that are legal in testing.


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TheDamus wrote:
Always wondered this but never was sure the answer.

If an engine fails during testing does it count towards the year end total? If yes, lets say in the case of Ferrari that their engine fails while testing for Pirelli does that make a difference?

No.


Hate to toot my own horn here, but my answer was more correct and more complete. If they put an engine in that has already been used during either one of the FP2/FP3/Q/race sessions, it WILL count.

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UnlikeUday wrote:
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button is pretty sure of a DNF so why practice


He could practice dnf's!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Brutal, but well deserved for Honda.


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TheDamus wrote:
Always wondered this but never was sure the answer.

If an engine fails during testing does it count towards the year end total? If yes, lets say in the case of Ferrari that their engine fails while testing for Pirelli does that make a difference?

In case it's not completely clear from mds' post, they don't use anything from their annual racing allocation during testing, so things like gearboxes and PUs will all be from a different pot. So if anything blows it will make no difference to their racing units, except maybe in lost data


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TheDamus wrote:
Always wondered this but never was sure the answer.

If an engine fails during testing does it count towards the year end total? If yes, lets say in the case of Ferrari that their engine fails while testing for Pirelli does that make a difference?

In case it's not completely clear from mds' post, they don't use anything from their annual racing allocation during testing, so things like gearboxes and PUs will all be from a different pot. So if anything blows it will make no difference to their racing units, except maybe in lost data


How many engines do you think customers like Williams allocate for the year? 11 maybe? 4 per car, 1-2 for pre season and in season testing and 1 spare. Maybe even just 10 and then buy each additional component from Mercedes as if it fails.

Each additional unit is $1.5m I believe, this is why Williams only used 4 engines last year even though 5 were allowed.

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Wow McLaren actually had a good day today

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lamo wrote:
Zoue wrote:
TheDamus wrote:
Always wondered this but never was sure the answer.

If an engine fails during testing does it count towards the year end total? If yes, lets say in the case of Ferrari that their engine fails while testing for Pirelli does that make a difference?

In case it's not completely clear from mds' post, they don't use anything from their annual racing allocation during testing, so things like gearboxes and PUs will all be from a different pot. So if anything blows it will make no difference to their racing units, except maybe in lost data


How many engines do you think customers like Williams allocate for the year? 11 maybe? 4 per car, 1-2 for pre season and in season testing and 1 spare. Maybe even just 10 and then buy each additional component from Mercedes as if it fails.

Each additional unit is $1.5m I believe, this is why Williams only used 4 engines last year even though 5 were allowed.

OK, but they still don't use race units in testing?


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Wow McLaren actually had a good day today


Yep.

Seems they got through some good work with mapping to minimize vibrations and increase power according to Fabrega.

Trouble is those 4 failures in the MGU-H over the past few days and then today they ran trouble free despite using the same kind. They've said they have no idea why some are failing and others aren't which is just a nightmare.

They all passed the same tests before making it onto the car so not only can you not trust the parts but you can't trust the testing methods for any potential fixes for those parts.

Trying to put out all these little fires like bearings in the mgu-h and baffles in the oil tank is costing them so much testing time and attention in the factory it's hindering progress in other area's of the PU.

It must be infuriating.

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No team on the grid will run its race units in this test that is correct. I suspect Manor may have if they were here but that is about it. Does anybody know how many engines Manor used per car last year? I am thinking no more than 4 and maybe even 3?

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button is pretty sure of a DNF so why practice


Exactly. Stay at home and get in guaranteed multiple laps in the simulator or travel to Monaco, and risk not even getting out of the garage?

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Wow McLaren actually had a good day today


Yep.

Seems they got through some good work with mapping to minimize vibrations and increase power according to Fabrega.

Trouble is those 4 failures in the MGU-H over the past few days and then today they ran trouble free despite using the same kind. They've said they have no idea why some are failing and others aren't which is just a nightmare.

They all passed the same tests before making it onto the car so not only can you not trust the parts but you can't trust the testing methods for any potential fixes for those parts.

Trying to put out all these little fires like bearings in the mgu-h and baffles in the oil tank is costing them so much testing time and attention in the factory it's hindering progress in other area's of the PU.

It must be infuriating.

yes, confirmed here:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-can-t-explain-best-day-of-2017-895912/

It seems they had a really good day and have no idea why? How are they supposed to build on this?


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Zoue wrote:
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Wow McLaren actually had a good day today


Yep.

Seems they got through some good work with mapping to minimize vibrations and increase power according to Fabrega.

Trouble is those 4 failures in the MGU-H over the past few days and then today they ran trouble free despite using the same kind. They've said they have no idea why some are failing and others aren't which is just a nightmare.

They all passed the same tests before making it onto the car so not only can you not trust the parts but you can't trust the testing methods for any potential fixes for those parts.

Trying to put out all these little fires like bearings in the mgu-h and baffles in the oil tank is costing them so much testing time and attention in the factory it's hindering progress in other area's of the PU.

It must be infuriating.

yes, confirmed here:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-can-t-explain-best-day-of-2017-895912/

It seems they had a really good day and have no idea why? How are they supposed to build on this?


For them F1 is a matter of chance?

I hope this is a sign of improved times (pun unintended)!

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Blinky McSquinty wrote:
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button is pretty sure of a DNF so why practice


Exactly. Stay at home and get in guaranteed multiple laps in the simulator or travel to Monaco, and risk not even getting out of the garage?


Button is at home in Monaco.


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Blinky McSquinty wrote:
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button is pretty sure of a DNF so why practice


Exactly. Stay at home and get in guaranteed multiple laps in the simulator or travel to Monaco, and risk not even getting out of the garage?


Button is at home in Monaco.


Yeah. Who knows what the situation might be then.

Being optimist out here & hoping McLaren's issues get rectified from Spain onwards.

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