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Nice to see Fernando in the 230mph+ bracket now.


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Saw this elsewhere and had to share it, take a bow whoever did it. :lol:

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Nice to see Fernando in the 230mph+ bracket now.

Yes! Good (short) day of running for #29 - 5th fastest overall, and impressively 3rd fastest without a draft. He's obviously not having any trouble adapting, and seems to just go closer to the top the more days he gets.

Hyped for qualifying! :D

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Nice to see Fernando in the 230mph+ bracket now.

Yes! Good (short) day of running for #29 - 5th fastest overall, and impressively 3rd fastest without a draft. He's obviously not having any trouble adapting, and seems to just go closer to the top the more days he gets.

Hyped for qualifying! :D

Up to 4th now, he's definitely impressing at the moment :thumbup:

Question for those in the know, why do the drivers come almost to the middle of the track on the straights and then move back up to the wall for corner entry?


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I had no idea he would get this much running before the race. Makes my original comments look stupid now donit. :blush:


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Nice to see Fernando in the 230mph+ bracket now.

Yes! Good (short) day of running for #29 - 5th fastest overall, and impressively 3rd fastest without a draft. He's obviously not having any trouble adapting, and seems to just go closer to the top the more days he gets.

Hyped for qualifying! :D

Up to 4th now, he's definitely impressing at the moment :thumbup:

Question for those in the know, why do the drivers come almost to the middle of the track on the straights and then move back up to the wall for corner entry?


Buffeting effect on the aero of the car from the walls scrubbing off some speed on the straights is the reason I read elsewhere.

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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
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owenmahamilton wrote:
Nice to see Fernando in the 230mph+ bracket now.

Yes! Good (short) day of running for #29 - 5th fastest overall, and impressively 3rd fastest without a draft. He's obviously not having any trouble adapting, and seems to just go closer to the top the more days he gets.

Hyped for qualifying! :D

Up to 4th now, he's definitely impressing at the moment :thumbup:

Question for those in the know, why do the drivers come almost to the middle of the track on the straights and then move back up to the wall for corner entry?

It's due to tyre stagger. The right-hand tyres are larger than the left, which makes the car want to turn left. So on the straights it naturally starts drifting towards the middle

I found this handy video:


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Alonso is really impressing me with how quickly he has got up to speed at Indy.
I'm anticipating a good qualy performance and then a strong race.
It would be something special if he can pull this off.


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mcdo wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
owenmahamilton wrote:
Nice to see Fernando in the 230mph+ bracket now.

Yes! Good (short) day of running for #29 - 5th fastest overall, and impressively 3rd fastest without a draft. He's obviously not having any trouble adapting, and seems to just go closer to the top the more days he gets.

Hyped for qualifying! :D

Up to 4th now, he's definitely impressing at the moment :thumbup:

Question for those in the know, why do the drivers come almost to the middle of the track on the straights and then move back up to the wall for corner entry?

It's due to tyre stagger. The right-hand tyres are larger than the left, which makes the car want to turn left. So on the straights it naturally starts drifting towards the middle

I found this handy video:



Tyre stagger may be part of the reason, but the main, I think, is the nature of the racing. Drivers move across the track to break the slipstream effect, as much as possible, for the cars behind them. It has an effect of creating a snaking line of cars. The leader starts drifting to the middle, the next car follows to keep the slipstream going, so does the next car, and so forth. Additionally, there more debris that gathers near the wall, which drivers don't want to pick up on their tires so they move away from the wall on the straights even when running by themselves, but the movement will usually be less pronounced. They won't move as far away as when really trying to break slipstream.

By the way, with Alonso present and competitive, Indy 500 could post some serious viewing figures this year.


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By the way, with Alonso present and competitive, Indy 500 could post some serious viewing figures this year.

Practice sessions have been getting somewhere around 600% of the viewing figures they got last year. It won't be that much for qualifying and the race, I'm sure, but I'll be interested to see how much higher than usual it is. A lot of Alonso's 2+ million fans are likely to watch at least some, and that's a hefty chunk of viewership right there, not even including people who aren't fans but are just interested.

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It's a shame the only way to watch the Indy500 in the UK and Ireland legally is by purchasing a monthly plan with BT Sport at some crazy price. I feel like they're losing out on a potentially large amount of customers who'd be happy to pay a small fee for PPV and BT would earn a lot more revenue. I can't imagine anyone purchasing a monthly plan just to watch one event.

I'll just have to find other means that are not to be mentioned here to view it! Should be very interesting to see Alonso race in it - I even enjoyed the event a lot when it was available on a normal tv channel.

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 Post subject: Re: Indy 500 2017
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I had no idea he would get this much running before the race. Makes my original comments look stupid now donit. :blush:

I think that's why they call the Indy 500 the month of May? ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Indy 500 2017
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Alonso looks like he may make the final 9 qualifying group. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Indy 500 2017
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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
It's a shame the only way to watch the Indy500 in the UK and Ireland legally is by purchasing a monthly plan with BT Sport at some crazy price. I feel like they're losing out on a potentially large amount of customers who'd be happy to pay a small fee for PPV and BT would earn a lot more revenue. I can't imagine anyone purchasing a monthly plan just to watch one event.

I'll just have to find other means that are not to be mentioned here to view it! Should be very interesting to see Alonso race in it - I even enjoyed the event a lot when it was available on a normal tv channel.

Yep I'd be more than happy to pay for a weekend pass or even just sign up for a month and then cancel but from looking at their website you need to either sign up for a 12 month contract or get BT broadband if you want a 30 day rolling contract.

Unable to find any free livestream that works. If anyone else has had success with that my PM inbox is always open ;)


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This is how things ended up after Friday. From Indycar.com

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Alonso in 3rd after his run with an average over 230mph, looks set to finish in the top 9!


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Big, big crash for Bourdais. He's moving so hopefully he's alright.


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That was a big one. Scary how quick it got away from him. Hopefully he's ok.

He was flying, only guy in the 231's over his first two laps but then boom, that's all she wrote. Crazy.

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I'm so happy to see Fernando doing well at Indy. He deserves it after putting up with that pathetic excuse of a Honda engine back in F1. Just a few weeks and I'll be seeing him LIVE in turn 1!!!


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I hope he's ok. Bad looking crash :(


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he's apparently awake & alert and didn't lose consciousness in the accident....

Horrific to watch, but proves once again just how much of a Godsend the SAFER barriers are....

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he's apparently awake & alert and didn't lose consciousness in the accident....

Horrific to watch, but proves once again just how much of a Godsend the SAFER barriers are....


He was moving around in the car right after the accident so hopefully no serious injuries.

There's an awful lot of that absorbent powder on the track affecting other qualifiers. I don't think they did a proper job of cleaning up the racing surface.


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Takuma Sato once again proves that he is the greatest racer of all time.


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Nice job Nando, into the Fast 9 on debut. :thumbup:

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Nice job Nando, into the Fast 9 on debut. :thumbup:

And the only rookie to make it.

There was a lot of track evolution at play today, so hopefully if conditions are better tomorrow Alonso will be able to improve on that 6th spot. But even if he doesn't, it's been a good run so far! :thumbup:

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he's apparently awake & alert and didn't lose consciousness in the accident....

Horrific to watch, but proves once again just how much of a Godsend the SAFER barriers are....

Yep. Without SAFER barriers at that speed and angle I think it could well have been fatal.


Alonso doing as good a job as you could hope. I liked how in the interview he wasn't really happy with his run and felt there was more available from the car.
Trying not to be too OTT, but if aliens invade and we have to nominate one driver to represent humanity in some sort of alien death race for our collective survival, he has my vote :)

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he's apparently awake & alert and didn't lose consciousness in the accident....

Horrific to watch, but proves once again just how much of a Godsend the SAFER barriers are....

Yep. Without SAFER barriers at that speed and angle I think it could well have been fatal.


Alonso doing as good a job as you could hope. I liked how in the interview he wasn't really happy with his run and felt there was more available from the car.
Trying not to be too OTT, but if aliens invade and we have to nominate one driver to represent humanity in some sort of alien death race for our collective survival, he has my vote :)


My vote too!


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he's apparently awake & alert and didn't lose consciousness in the accident....

Horrific to watch, but proves once again just how much of a Godsend the SAFER barriers are....

Yep. Without SAFER barriers at that speed and angle I think it could well have been fatal.


Alonso doing as good a job as you could hope. I liked how in the interview he wasn't really happy with his run and felt there was more available from the car.
Trying not to be too OTT, but if aliens invade and we have to nominate one driver to represent humanity in some sort of alien death race for our collective survival, he has my vote :)


My vote too!

Apparently they want to keep Alonso over there. :lol:

That's the first time ever that I've watched the Indy practice sessions and the qualifying session itself, interesting the level of gamble they have to take in how much they decide to trim the car out for qualifying, too cautious and then you are too slow, too ambitious and you just don't have enough grip especially as the tyres wear.

Given Bourdias' speed he certainly had the car well trimmed out, maybe too much causing the crash?

As for the crash itself that was one brutal impact but I'm impressed how the safety features of the track seems to have prevented any life threatening injury.

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Thankfully no life threatening injuries but he has multiple fractures to his hips & pelvis for which he will have surgery tonight.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... qualifying

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Sebasian's crash reminded me of Gordon Smiley, who suffered the worst crash in racing IMO.

Thank God safety has come a long way.

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Thankfully no life threatening injuries but he has multiple fractures to his hips & pelvis for which he will have surgery tonight.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... qualifying

It's not too often you can say that hip and pelvis fractures is good news, but it is. That was a scary crash - any time a car goes essentially head-on into a wall at speed (and it was a lot of speed - he was going to the top for sure!) it's cause for concern, and I'm happy to hear that there wasn't anything life threatening this time.

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Sebasian's crash reminded me of Gordon Smiley, who suffered the worst crash in racing IMO.

Thank God safety has come a long way.


yes, sadly, it was reminiscent of the smiley crash. safety advancements are a good thing. the car safety cell, hans device, safer barrier. without those on that crash today....


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Thankfully no life threatening injuries but he has multiple fractures to his hips & pelvis for which he will have surgery tonight.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... qualifying

Given the crash, head on into a barrier at 200mph+, I guess it was asking too much for him to end up with no injuries.

Thinking back to what I said after hearing that Alonso was going to do the race I did fear for his safety, the level of risk is that much higher than F1.

Alonso was a bit disappointed with his qualifying despite how well he did, maybe the Bourdais crash is a timely reminder to him not too push the boat out too much in today's top 9 qualifying.

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It seems those indy cars are very solid, almost F1-like?


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Almost???

I am not at all sure that an F1 car could have handled that impact, it is built for different requirements. Not trying to put F1 cars down, only pointing out that Indy cars have to be built with 230mph and close walls in mind, F1 not so much.

BTW, I am proud to say that, though IMS is getting most/all of the credit during the broadcast, the Safer barrier was designed by engineering at the University of Nebraska and first installed at Indy in the early 2000s. Rather ironic when one considers that there is not a NASCAR or INDYcar track in the state.
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Almost???

I am not at all sure that an F1 car could have handled that impact, it is built for different requirements. Not trying to put F1 cars down, only pointing out that Indy cars have to be built with 230mph and close walls in mind, F1 not so much.

F1 would've handled it well (remember Kubica crash?)
I say almost because I think historically (since Senna's death) F1 has been the leader in safety. I still remember older indy car accidents like Zanardi's when he lost both legs, the cockpit got so wrecked, It would never happened in F1 cars of the same era.


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Almost???

I am not at all sure that an F1 car could have handled that impact, it is built for different requirements. Not trying to put F1 cars down, only pointing out that Indy cars have to be built with 230mph and close walls in mind, F1 not so much.

F1 would've handled it well (remember Kubica crash?)
I say almost because I think historically (since Senna's death) F1 has been the leader in safety. I still remember older indy car accidents like Zanardi's when he lost both legs, the cockpit got so wrecked, It would never happened in F1 cars of the same era.


Kubica's was probably a slightly bigger impact. More head on and less glancing than Bourdais.

Still, I doubt these days there is much difference in terms of safety of the cars.


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Almost???

I am not at all sure that an F1 car could have handled that impact, it is built for different requirements. Not trying to put F1 cars down, only pointing out that Indy cars have to be built with 230mph and close walls in mind, F1 not so much.

F1 would've handled it well (remember Kubica crash?)
I say almost because I think historically (since Senna's death) F1 has been the leader in safety. I still remember older indy car accidents like Zanardi's when he lost both legs, the cockpit got so wrecked, It would never happened in F1 cars of the same era.


Kubica's was probably a slightly bigger impact. More head on and less glancing than Bourdais.

Still, I doubt these days there is much difference in terms of safety of the cars.

I still think the overall safety in these kind of oval races is quite a lot worse than the average F1 race. Anyway good for Alonso that the cars are solid


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Bourdais' crash was an exact copy of the crash that claimed life of Gordon Smiley in 1982. We can only be happy that the security is top notch in these cars. He has a couple of bad broken bones, but he is alive. Thank God!

Here is the link. Somewhat graphic, beware: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEBj2hg_t1o

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