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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 4:18 pm 
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McLaren will score points in Monaco. That is all.


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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
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Button, Vandoorne, or both?

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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
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wolfticket wrote:
Button, Vandoorne, or both?

I want to leave myself some wiggle room so I'd rather not specify but at least one of them will score.


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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
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I wonder what the odds are of Max in the wall 3 years out of 3?

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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
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wolfticket wrote:
Button, Vandoorne, or both?


Vandoorne has a 3 place grid penalty for Monaco.

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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 6:56 pm 
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mcdo wrote:
I wonder what the odds are of Max in the wall 3 years out of 3?


Might be an interesting one!


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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 7:06 pm 
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mcdo wrote:
I wonder what the odds are of Max in the wall 3 years out of 3?

Surely he won't have his 5th crash with the wall at Monaco. He's hit it enough. I infact don't think I remember a driver having as many retirements in 1 weekend as Verstappen did last year in Monaco. Crashed in Practice, Qualifying and the race with nobody else involved.


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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 8:57 pm 
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Alonso probably would have, Vandoorne and a rusty Button I am not so sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 5:23 am 
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lamo wrote:
Alonso probably would have, Vandoorne and a rusty Button I am not so sure.

This. If they could have scored any points this season it would have been in Monaco but I don't see that happening now.

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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
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Covalent wrote:
lamo wrote:
Alonso probably would have, Vandoorne and a rusty Button I am not so sure.
This. If they could have scored any points this season it would have been in Monaco but I don't see that happening now.
Not convinced that Button is that rusty and he does love Monaco. Vandoorne hasn't had much of a chance to shine yet, though that clumsy move on Massa in Spain certainly hasn't done him any favours. If that engine is a little more reliable and if the car is nimble enough (huge ifs, by the way!), it's worth a punt.

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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
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Covalent wrote:
lamo wrote:
Alonso probably would have, Vandoorne and a rusty Button I am not so sure.

This. If they could have scored any points this season it would have been in Monaco but I don't see that happening now.

I still think they'll probably score points some time this year - Manor managed it last year, and McLaren is closer to the pace than they were. Sauber just did score, and McLaren is about the same speed as them.

Will McLaren score points on merit? Only in Monaco and Hungary, at this rate. But I think they will score.

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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
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most likely Honda will deliver a decent engine by mid season.

it would still not be a shock from my point of view if they win races this year.

it might sound insane, and all the evidence is against me, but it's just a gut feeling.

although, after seeing hamilton and vettel on the straight in barcelona, i can understand why the mercedes is so fast.

the powerfull engine allows the mercedes to run quite a bit of downforce compared to the others. and when in a tow, as yesterday, all this downforce dissapears and the car just pulls and pulls. quite impressive i must say.

PS: most likely this is also why the merc struggles to follow other cars


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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
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paul_gmb wrote:
most likely Honda will deliver a decent engine by mid season.

it would still not be a shock from my point of view if they win races this year.

it might sound insane, and all the evidence is against me, but it's just a gut feeling.

You're right, it does.

Even as a diehard McLaren fan, I think there is no chance whatsoever of race wins this year. There's too much wrong with the engine, and even if you somehow got the engine up to Mercedes level overnight there's probably too much wrong with the car as well because of being unable to improve it due to the engine!

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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
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If Button can hit the ground running and get good track time in FP then I think he will score yeah. If Vandoorne didn't have the penalty I'd have backed him but he'll need some big chunks of luck or the lap of his life to get up there.

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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
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Jenson has never driven these cars, I have no idea how he's going to fare at Monaco - I just hope he doesn't embarrass himself, but then again Honda are doing that for McLaren.


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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
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UnlikeUday wrote:
wolfticket wrote:
Button, Vandoorne, or both?


Vandoorne has a 3 place grid penalty for Monaco.


So he's starting 25th?

stevey wrote:
Jenson has never driven these cars, I have no idea how he's going to fare at Monaco - I just hope he doesn't embarrass himself, but then again Honda are doing that for McLaren.


I'd be surprised if anyone blamed Jenson if he has a poor showing this weekend.


I think McLaren scoring depends on the other teams and some luck. Would be nice for JB to score. Not convinced the cars can last until the end.

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 Post subject: Re: Calling it Now
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Yes them winning a race is insanity, but I am with you a bit. I could see them slotting in with where the Red Bulls are now later in the year. Red Bull I suspect would be a lot closer to the front at this point though.

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