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When will HAM / VET go out of control?
First quarter of season 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
First half of season 20%  20%  [ 6 ]
Second half of season 27%  27%  [ 8 ]
Once a driver can rely on second place finishes 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Once it goes down to the wire 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
Ham and Vet are BFFs and love each other very much 17%  17%  [ 5 ]
Once they crash in the biggest smash ever seen 30%  30%  [ 9 ]
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As fate places the two most self centric drivers in direct diametric opposition, is it a matter of time before tensions meet boiling point and the whole thing explodes?

Hamilton has the chance this season to potentially match Vettel's number of titles or come to the point where he would need another 3 to outmatch him. If Lewis is to be best of this generation he can't afford to be beaten again. He has always been winning races every season but has come to the point where wins matter little without a WDC come the season's end. A Vettel victory would no doubt put the German in the direction of the subsequent titles for the remainder of the current regulations set and end the Brit's chance of catching him.

Vettel on the otherhand is seizing the opportunity to swing title momentum back in his direction and get back on track to beating Schumacher's number of titles and drop the possibility of becoming a yesterday's champion. A title for him would also seal his greatness as a comeback kid and silence the critics who pointed to Adrian Newey as the real key to his titles. Winning the WDC at a second team in Ferrari no less would make him the best driver on the grid in all fairness.

So it's make or break for both of them.

Who is going to trigger the war of words first? Or are we so certain it will happen that we end up disappointed they stay mutually respectful? Have you waited years for this to happen?


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Biggest trigger for war I think for either driver will be with their teams if they make a number if bad calls strategy wise or something similar. Don't think there'll be any war between the two of them.

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I hope the war never starts. Both race very well on track and bring out the best in each other. I want Hamilton to win but if Vettel does it and puts on a good show at the same time, I can be fine with that. I never liked his Red Bull years because there were so few times Vettel needed to pass anyone. The competition is much closer this year and sometimes Vettel will have to pass to win.

The war between Hamilton and Rosberg was very tiresome.


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Jeez, yet another poll that seems to deliberately exclude a reasonable option...


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Jeez, yet another poll that seems to deliberately exclude a reasonable option...

'Ham and Vet are BFFs and love each other very much' is the reasonable option, it's just phrased really weirdly! :-P

I don't think it will get vicious between them. Tense, yes, but I don't see crashes or running each other off track in the future. Hamilton and Vettel may not be BFFs, but they do have mutual respect for one another - something that was always missing from Lewis' relationship with Rosberg, in my opinion.

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I think the basic instinct of both Vettel and Hamilton is not to deliberately crash out another car, there was contact in Barcelona but that was just Vettel being on the limit on tyres not up to full temperature.

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sandman1347 wrote:
Jeez, yet another poll that seems to deliberately exclude a reasonable option...

Yes that's why I didn't choose an option.

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I can see it happening. Hamilton loves to play mind games and get under peoples' skin while Vettel can lose his temper when things aren't going his way as he did on a number of occasions last year. Just wait until they're side by side at turn 1 with Vettel on the outside...


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War only really happens between team mates going for the title, rarely happens between drivers from other teams unless there is a fundamental disliking between the drivers which usually shows up before the title fight heats up. Monaco 2006 incident made the Schumacher - Alonso battle a little tense for example.

When its your team mate, there is also suspicion about your team mate getting preferential treatment and in all of the last occasions team mates have fought for a title there have been complaints of favouritism at times.

Vettel - Webber 2010
Hamilton - Alonso 2007
Hamilton - Rosberg 2014-2016
Coulthard - Hakkinen 1999

The only team mates who didn't get any tension going for the title was Kimi and Massa in 2007.

The Mercedes setup of the last few years also meant it was all about leading at turn 1, so it created a unique situation where the race was decided at turn 1 so both drivers had to really make risks there. Both Vettel and Hamilton know the race isn't won at turn one this year so a collision is much less likely as they don't need to try desperate overtakes either.

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IF Lewis hasn't passed Seb and won the race , he would already have spat his dummy out about being pushed wide. It was only all smiles because it all worked out.


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It's never going to be a war, as Vettel does not focus on what happens outside his team in a battle for the championship hence when he was battling Alonso it was only Alonso doing the talking in 2012, he just gets on with the job.

Hamilton wait till some reliability stuff happens you wont hear the last of it some higher power is against him or Merc dont want him to win.

He has benefited from team orders twice this year, yet he keeps pointing at Ferrari that they are the ones going to issue team orders.


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Rockie wrote:
It's never going to be a war, as Vettel does not focus on what happens outside his team in a battle for the championship hence when he was battling Alonso it was only Alonso doing the talking in 2012, he just gets on with the job.

Hamilton wait till some reliability stuff happens you wont hear the last of it some higher power is against him or Merc dont want him to win.

He has benefited from team orders twice this year, yet he keeps pointing at Ferrari that they are the ones going to issue team orders.


Hamilton mind games, he is playing with Vettel fans :lol:

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lamo wrote:
Rockie wrote:
It's never going to be a war, as Vettel does not focus on what happens outside his team in a battle for the championship hence when he was battling Alonso it was only Alonso doing the talking in 2012, he just gets on with the job.

Hamilton wait till some reliability stuff happens you wont hear the last of it some higher power is against him or Merc dont want him to win.

He has benefited from team orders twice this year, yet he keeps pointing at Ferrari that they are the ones going to issue team orders.


Hamilton mind games, he is playing with Vettel fans :lol:


Unfortunately for him, he's now going against a proper German with determination, and the Vettel fans are loving the mind games he is playing as he will soon press the self destruct as he does every season and then Vettel fans can have the last laugh!


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Rockie wrote:
lamo wrote:
Rockie wrote:
It's never going to be a war, as Vettel does not focus on what happens outside his team in a battle for the championship hence when he was battling Alonso it was only Alonso doing the talking in 2012, he just gets on with the job.

Hamilton wait till some reliability stuff happens you wont hear the last of it some higher power is against him or Merc dont want him to win.

He has benefited from team orders twice this year, yet he keeps pointing at Ferrari that they are the ones going to issue team orders.


Hamilton mind games, he is playing with Vettel fans :lol:


Unfortunately for him, he's now going against a proper German with determination, and the Vettel fans are loving the mind games he is playing as he will soon press the self destruct as he does every season and then Vettel fans can have the last laugh!


Lewis will be fine, once Vettel takes his PU penalties, Lewis can cruise to some easy wins.

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Rockie wrote:
It's never going to be a war, as Vettel does not focus on what happens outside his team in a battle for the championship hence when he was battling Alonso it was only Alonso doing the talking in 2012, he just gets on with the job.

Hamilton wait till some reliability stuff happens you wont hear the last of it some higher power is against him or Merc dont want him to win.

He has benefited from team orders twice this year, yet he keeps pointing at Ferrari that they are the ones going to issue team orders.

What has any reliability issues that Hamilton might have got to do with how the 2 drivers will conduct themselves on the track?

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lamo wrote:
Rockie wrote:
lamo wrote:
Rockie wrote:
It's never going to be a war, as Vettel does not focus on what happens outside his team in a battle for the championship hence when he was battling Alonso it was only Alonso doing the talking in 2012, he just gets on with the job.

Hamilton wait till some reliability stuff happens you wont hear the last of it some higher power is against him or Merc dont want him to win.

He has benefited from team orders twice this year, yet he keeps pointing at Ferrari that they are the ones going to issue team orders.


Hamilton mind games, he is playing with Vettel fans :lol:


Unfortunately for him, he's now going against a proper German with determination, and the Vettel fans are loving the mind games he is playing as he will soon press the self destruct as he does every season and then Vettel fans can have the last laugh!


Lewis will be fine, once Vettel takes his PU penalties, Lewis can cruise to some easy wins.


Ferrari not taking any PU penalties, Binotto has stated this and I will state it again for you Ferrari rotates its engine components it has not had a failure yet!


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pokerman wrote:
Rockie wrote:
It's never going to be a war, as Vettel does not focus on what happens outside his team in a battle for the championship hence when he was battling Alonso it was only Alonso doing the talking in 2012, he just gets on with the job.

Hamilton wait till some reliability stuff happens you wont hear the last of it some higher power is against him or Merc dont want him to win.

He has benefited from team orders twice this year, yet he keeps pointing at Ferrari that they are the ones going to issue team orders.

What has any reliability issues that Hamilton might have got to do with how the 2 drivers will conduct themselves on the track?


This was never about how they conduct themselves on track!


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Rockie wrote:
lamo wrote:
Rockie wrote:
It's never going to be a war, as Vettel does not focus on what happens outside his team in a battle for the championship hence when he was battling Alonso it was only Alonso doing the talking in 2012, he just gets on with the job.

Hamilton wait till some reliability stuff happens you wont hear the last of it some higher power is against him or Merc dont want him to win.

He has benefited from team orders twice this year, yet he keeps pointing at Ferrari that they are the ones going to issue team orders.


Hamilton mind games, he is playing with Vettel fans :lol:


Unfortunately for him, he's now going against a proper German with determination, and the Vettel fans are loving the mind games he is playing as he will soon press the self destruct as he does every season and then Vettel fans can have the last laugh!


Yes, he self destructs every season and has 3 world championships. Wow.


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It'll be a war in the media, because they have a history of doing so. If it remains close towards the end of the season, then the media will magnify every word or action to make it look personal. Controversy sells. How the drivers actually feel about each other will be largely irrelevant


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kleefton wrote:
Rockie wrote:
lamo wrote:
Rockie wrote:
It's never going to be a war, as Vettel does not focus on what happens outside his team in a battle for the championship hence when he was battling Alonso it was only Alonso doing the talking in 2012, he just gets on with the job.

Hamilton wait till some reliability stuff happens you wont hear the last of it some higher power is against him or Merc dont want him to win.

He has benefited from team orders twice this year, yet he keeps pointing at Ferrari that they are the ones going to issue team orders.


Hamilton mind games, he is playing with Vettel fans :lol:


Unfortunately for him, he's now going against a proper German with determination, and the Vettel fans are loving the mind games he is playing as he will soon press the self destruct as he does every season and then Vettel fans can have the last laugh!


Yes, he self destructs every season and has 3 world championships. Wow.


In the last 3 years he should have won three but only won two, I think because he's just been against Rosberg this has been forgotten he capitulates under pressure!


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Rockie wrote:
kleefton wrote:
Rockie wrote:
lamo wrote:
Rockie wrote:
It's never going to be a war, as Vettel does not focus on what happens outside his team in a battle for the championship hence when he was battling Alonso it was only Alonso doing the talking in 2012, he just gets on with the job.

Hamilton wait till some reliability stuff happens you wont hear the last of it some higher power is against him or Merc dont want him to win.

He has benefited from team orders twice this year, yet he keeps pointing at Ferrari that they are the ones going to issue team orders.


Hamilton mind games, he is playing with Vettel fans :lol:


Unfortunately for him, he's now going against a proper German with determination, and the Vettel fans are loving the mind games he is playing as he will soon press the self destruct as he does every season and then Vettel fans can have the last laugh!


Yes, he self destructs every season and has 3 world championships. Wow.


In the last 3 years he should have won three but only won two, I think because he's just been against Rosberg this has been forgotten he capitulates under pressure!


He really doesn't. Could be argued he did in his debut season but in the last 9 years certainly not. Two out of the last three years went down to the last race. Hamilton won both those races.


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Add "fans" in the title and my answer would be "apparently now". :)

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Rockie wrote:
lamo wrote:
Rockie wrote:
lamo wrote:
Rockie wrote:
It's never going to be a war, as Vettel does not focus on what happens outside his team in a battle for the championship hence when he was battling Alonso it was only Alonso doing the talking in 2012, he just gets on with the job.

Hamilton wait till some reliability stuff happens you wont hear the last of it some higher power is against him or Merc dont want him to win.

He has benefited from team orders twice this year, yet he keeps pointing at Ferrari that they are the ones going to issue team orders.


Hamilton mind games, he is playing with Vettel fans :lol:


Unfortunately for him, he's now going against a proper German with determination, and the Vettel fans are loving the mind games he is playing as he will soon press the self destruct as he does every season and then Vettel fans can have the last laugh!


Lewis will be fine, once Vettel takes his PU penalties, Lewis can cruise to some easy wins.


Ferrari not taking any PU penalties, Binotto has stated this and I will state it again for you Ferrari rotates its engine components it has not had a failure yet!


So they won't be updating there Turbo this season then? That is interesting.

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Rockie wrote:
pokerman wrote:
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It's never going to be a war, as Vettel does not focus on what happens outside his team in a battle for the championship hence when he was battling Alonso it was only Alonso doing the talking in 2012, he just gets on with the job.

Hamilton wait till some reliability stuff happens you wont hear the last of it some higher power is against him or Merc dont want him to win.

He has benefited from team orders twice this year, yet he keeps pointing at Ferrari that they are the ones going to issue team orders.

What has any reliability issues that Hamilton might have got to do with how the 2 drivers will conduct themselves on the track?


This was never about how they conduct themselves on track!

Read the thread title.

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kleefton wrote:
Rockie wrote:
lamo wrote:
Rockie wrote:
It's never going to be a war, as Vettel does not focus on what happens outside his team in a battle for the championship hence when he was battling Alonso it was only Alonso doing the talking in 2012, he just gets on with the job.

Hamilton wait till some reliability stuff happens you wont hear the last of it some higher power is against him or Merc dont want him to win.

He has benefited from team orders twice this year, yet he keeps pointing at Ferrari that they are the ones going to issue team orders.


Hamilton mind games, he is playing with Vettel fans :lol:


Unfortunately for him, he's now going against a proper German with determination, and the Vettel fans are loving the mind games he is playing as he will soon press the self destruct as he does every season and then Vettel fans can have the last laugh!


Yes, he self destructs every season and has 3 world championships. Wow.

Plus 55 race wins.

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Add "fans" in the title and my answer would be "apparently now". :)

Indeed :lol:

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If we are jumping back to early title challengers then look no further than Vettels 2009 and 2010 title challengers, he had so many collisions and errors I actually don't know the numbers. At least 5 DNFs due to collisions/errors over both seasons. But then he ironed that out of his racing and he is and was a much better driver. Although we did see glimpses of that in 2016 when the pressure was on a bit (Kimi beating him) and he became extremely frustrated.

They are both two very good drivers, I don't understand why one set of fans feel the need to throw mud at the other especially when both have made errors during title fights and both have won easy titles in other years. Its the first time Vettel challenges for a title without the best car and he is doing great so far.

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AnRs wrote:
This thread is really a new low point

For once I might have to agree with you.

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If we are jumping back to early title challengers then look no further than Vettels 2009 and 2010 title challengers, he had so many collisions and errors I actually don't know the numbers. At least 5 DNFs due to collisions/errors over both seasons. But then he ironed that out of his racing and he is and was a much better driver. Although we did see glimpses of that in 2016 when the pressure was on a bit (Kimi beating him) and he became extremely frustrated.

They are both two very good drivers, I don't understand why one set of fans feel the need to throw mud at the other especially when both have made errors during title fights and both have won easy titles in other years. Its the first time Vettel challenges for a title without the best car and he is doing great so far.

Well said it seems to be a bit of a one way street.

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As soon as someone feels wronged by the other.

It could have started after the Spanish GP. If the 'push' off track from Vettel had happened & Vettel went on to win the race, Hamilton would have felt very wronged and went on to start a bit of agitation between them.

Likewise, the second Vettel feels Hamilton has been unfair we'll start to see things unravel.

I think they both respect each other as very fast racing drivers and that makes things a bit easier to swallow when they lose. Also, with different cars they can point to things outside their own control in their own heads so they don't need to believe the other was simply quicker. As soon as one feels wronged by the other and it impacts the race result.. wait for the fireworks :)


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From what we've seen so far this season, there is a huge mutual respect between both drivers. As we saw in Spain on Sunday, they can run each other extremely close and yet not take one another out. IMO both drivers are relishing this opportunity because:

1. Lewis can finally have full backing from Mercedes and his team mate, which was evident in Spain;
2. Sebastian is at last fighting for the WDC in the Ferrari. His dream scenario, based on why he joined the Scuderia in the first place.

We should be rejoicing that there are FINALLY two teams battling it out for the WDC, not rubbing our hands at the prospect of fisticuffs in parc fermé after each race. We are in for a treat this season.

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We should be rejoicing that there are FINALLY two teams battling it out for the WDC, not rubbing our hands at the prospect of fisticuffs in parc fermé after each race. We are in for a treat this season.


100% agreed.


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lamo wrote:
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lamo wrote:
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Hamilton mind games, he is playing with Vettel fans :lol:


Unfortunately for him, he's now going against a proper German with determination, and the Vettel fans are loving the mind games he is playing as he will soon press the self destruct as he does every season and then Vettel fans can have the last laugh!


Lewis will be fine, once Vettel takes his PU penalties, Lewis can cruise to some easy wins.


Ferrari not taking any PU penalties, Binotto has stated this and I will state it again for you Ferrari rotates its engine components it has not had a failure yet!


So they won't be updating there Turbo this season then? That is interesting.


Yeah the chances of them putting up with this Turbo for the whole season is slim. There's been concerns about it since preseason and Haas had a couple of failures and they had issues themselves. They clearly have worries about it as you wouldn't rotate it to this extent this early.

That's Seb on his 4th in 5 races already I believe so they are in a tough spot now. They can keep it as is and rotate which is what they are saying but one failure and they are toast.

If they'd updated it while still on their 1st or 2nd it would be ok even if they had a failure because they'd have 3/4 new and updated ones for the last 15 races.

One fails now and they update it they'll have 1 new updated one penalty free and 3 old ones they can't update for 15 races. Or don't update it and take a 5th and be stuck with 4 dodgy Turbo's for the rest of the year.

Tough situation either way.

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pokerman wrote:
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It's never going to be a war, as Vettel does not focus on what happens outside his team in a battle for the championship hence when he was battling Alonso it was only Alonso doing the talking in 2012, he just gets on with the job.

Hamilton wait till some reliability stuff happens you wont hear the last of it some higher power is against him or Merc dont want him to win.

He has benefited from team orders twice this year, yet he keeps pointing at Ferrari that they are the ones going to issue team orders.

What has any reliability issues that Hamilton might have got to do with how the 2 drivers will conduct themselves on the track?


This was never about how they conduct themselves on track!

Read the thread title.

Read the OP?

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It's never going to be a war, as Vettel does not focus on what happens outside his team in a battle for the championship hence when he was battling Alonso it was only Alonso doing the talking in 2012, he just gets on with the job.

Hamilton wait till some reliability stuff happens you wont hear the last of it some higher power is against him or Merc dont want him to win.

He has benefited from team orders twice this year, yet he keeps pointing at Ferrari that they are the ones going to issue team orders.

What has any reliability issues that Hamilton might have got to do with how the 2 drivers will conduct themselves on the track?


This was never about how they conduct themselves on track!

Read the thread title.

Read the OP?

If they conduct themselves properly on the track then what is going to trigger a war between them and I repeat why would reliability issues for Hamilton trigger anything between the two of them.

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All love and kisses until contact is made. Then you-know-who will lose his mind and scream for Charlie to ban the other.


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pokerman wrote:
Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Rockie wrote:
pokerman wrote:
What has any reliability issues that Hamilton might have got to do with how the 2 drivers will conduct themselves on the track?


This was never about how they conduct themselves on track!

Read the thread title.

Read the OP?

If they conduct themselves properly on the track then what is going to trigger a war between them and I repeat why would reliability issues for Hamilton trigger anything between the two of them.

Wouldn't know, I'm not a clairvoyant.

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pokerman wrote:
Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
What has any reliability issues that Hamilton might have got to do with how the 2 drivers will conduct themselves on the track?


This was never about how they conduct themselves on track!

Read the thread title.

Read the OP?

If they conduct themselves properly on the track then what is going to trigger a war between them and I repeat why would reliability issues for Hamilton trigger anything between the two of them.

The later it gets in the season with a close title battle the more the drivers will feel the tension. Said tension raises the chances that one of them will spew out something unflattering about the other which could be the start of nastiness between them.

I would imagine that the other poster brought up reliability because Hamilton has demonstrated a tendency to go on a pout and blame his team when it affects him which could be a trigger for him to go after Seb instead this time because main rival isn't inside the team this time. At least not right now.

Personally I don't see it happening. I wouldn't be surprised if Lewis says some things trying to get under Seb's skin, but I don't think he'll take the bait.

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:16 am 
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Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Covalent wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Rockie wrote:

This was never about how they conduct themselves on track!

Read the thread title.

Read the OP?

If they conduct themselves properly on the track then what is going to trigger a war between them and I repeat why would reliability issues for Hamilton trigger anything between the two of them.

Wouldn't know, I'm not a clairvoyant.

None of us are so why do we even have this debate in the first place?

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