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Author:  Longnose [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:25 pm ]
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I don't understand why Sergio Marchionne and Ferrari are "not interested in Alonso". Was it something Alonso did, is it that they have other prospects, or do they think that there will be too much friction between their current No. 1 driver and Alonso?

The reason I am confused is that Ferrari took Kimi Raikkonen back in 2014 after buying out his contract at the end of 2009, and now Sergio is calling Kimmi a "laggard". I didn't think that Alonso burned the Ferrari bridge when he left to go to McLaren. I mean McLaren paid him a lot of money and during the time Alonso was at Ferrari, they never gave him a very competitive car. What am I missing?

Author:  Lotus49 [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:30 pm ]
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Longnose wrote:
I don't understand why Sergio Marchionne and Ferrari are "not interested in Alonso". Was it something Alonso did, is it that they have other prospects, or do they think that there will be too much friction between their current No. 1 driver and Alonso?

The reason I am confused is that Ferrari took Kimi Raikkonen back in 2014 after buying out his contract at the end of 2009, and now Sergio is calling Kimmi a "laggard". I didn't think that Alonso burned the Ferrari bridge when he left to go to McLaren. I mean McLaren paid him a lot of money and during the time Alonso was at Ferrari, they never gave him a very competitive car. What am I missing?


It could be many things. Marchionne can be a touch abrupt with his wording at the best of times and there's other comments from the same day not as definitive but I think they'd prefer to get Seb extended longer term rather than go down any potential more disruptive routes like putting someone like Alonso next to him or even changing lead driver entirely. It can be disruptive at the best of times.

Things are going good as they are so simply keep going kind of thing.

Author:  Zoue [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:33 pm ]
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I think one possible difference is what Lauda alluded to: Alonso broke his contract at Ferrari when he left them, so Ferrari were unhappy at that and may perceive it as disloyal. With Kimi Ferrari were the ones to break contract. Hypocritical, maybe, but it's a possoble scenario

Author:  pc27b [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:37 pm ]
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i don't think it is all that hard to believe they have younger options than alonso.

Author:  hairy_scotsman [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:37 pm ]
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Later SM said "We have received requests to return Alonso, but we have two very good drivers, so it is not possible to arrive for now."

Whenever I hear these F1 types talk, I'm often reminded of Tuco's line in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly:
"There are two kinds of spurs, my friend: Those that come in by the door, and those that come in by the window."

Author:  Paolo_Lasardi [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:40 pm ]
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I never thought Alonso was on his way back to Ferrari.

But Marchionne has now dismissed Alonso, Verstappen, Perez recently, while (rightfully) criticizing Räikkönen. So, where are they heading? Another lame one-year extension for a demoralised KR? A new devote number two
for Vettel (who)?

IMO, the stupid thing is to dismiss Verstappen. He is the future superstar.

Author:  PRFAN [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:41 pm ]
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Have you heard about "the cold crap syndrome" (substitute crap with that other word that starts with S) and do a quick search. Never mistake that thing for chocolate. I think its the wise thing to move on from the Alonso-Ferrari idea.

Author:  UnlikeUday [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:46 pm ]
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Paolo_Lasardi wrote:
I never thought Alonso was on his way back to Ferrari.

But Marchionne has now dismissed Alonso, Verstappen, Perez recently, while (rightfully) criticizing Räikkönen. So, where are they heading? Another lame one-year extension for a demoralised KR? A new devote number two
for Vettel (who)?

IMO, the stupid thing is to dismiss Verstappen. He is the future superstar.


I just know he dismissed Alonso & said nothing has been signed between Verstappen & Ferrari but nothing has been said about he dismissing Perez or Sainz for that matter.

Author:  Lotus49 [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:50 pm ]
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Zoue wrote:
I think one possible difference is what Lauda alluded to: Alonso broke his contract at Ferrari when he left them, so Ferrari were unhappy at that and may perceive it as disloyal. With Kimi Ferrari were the ones to break contract. Hypocritical, maybe, but it's a possoble scenario


I would too to be fair. (Be unhappy at him that is).

One thing I found quite surprising over the weekend was Kravitz saying and then Marchionne kinda backing up, was that Seb was holding out for only a 1 year extension and SM backed it up by saying only the length of extension is an issue with Seb, it's up to him.

That's ballsy from Seb. Part of the initial breakdown between Alonso and Ferrari was that they wanted a show of faith from him and to sign the extension on offer through to 2019. Alonso initially not wanting to sign led to the fall out with MM so it would be a touch hypocritical for me if they don't demand the same kind of show of faith from Seb.

He would have 2 contracts come and go in the time they initially wanted Alonso to sign for back in 2014 so if they were still upset about Alonso's disloyalty at not wanting to effectively sign a 5yr extension (His 2nd one at that!) only to hand Seb 2 different contracts spanning 1 year less than that then they are indeed hypocrites.

But they do have different TP's and maybe a change in tact but still it's a bit rich demanding one thing from lead driver and not the other. But it doesn't mean they're hypocrite's at being annoyed he left mid contract, that's fair game for me. It's the extension side of it I'd find dodgy.

Author:  VDV23 [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:56 pm ]
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I wouldn't be surprised if SM is drafting the contact for Alonso while he's saying that he's not interested in him. It just that way it is in sports, you deny until it is official.

I'm not saying they are working on bringing back Fernando, just that I wouldn't surprised if they did.

Author:  UnlikeUday [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:01 pm ]
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Wonder why Alonso was so positive during the Baku weekend for 2018?
If the 3 big teams don't want him, I'm sure he's not excited about joining Renault.
Wonder if he's making a switch outside F1.

Author:  Lotus49 [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:06 pm ]
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UnlikeUday wrote:
Wonder why Alonso was so positive during the Baku weekend for 2018?
If the 3 big teams don't want him, I'm sure he's not excited about joining Renault.
Wonder if he's making a switch outside F1.


Whatever happens drivers will pretend it's all part of the plan. Ego's are tiring work.

Author:  James14 [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:10 pm ]
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VDV23 wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if SM is drafting the contact for Alonso while he's saying that he's not interested in him. It just that way it is in sports, you deny until it is official.

I'm not saying they are working on bringing back Fernando, just that I wouldn't surprised if they did.


Exactly. Even if they are interested in him there is little to be gained from telling everyone they are. We are not sure either if Alonso would want to go back.

Author:  Rockie [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:21 pm ]
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This is bound to happen as if I were a team principal or owner, I see no benefit in hiring Alonso.

If he wins it is described as his god like driving, and if it goes the other way its the car that is useless.

Author:  hairy_scotsman [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:31 pm ]
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VDV23 wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if SM is drafting the contact for Alonso while he's saying that he's not interested in him. It just that way it is in sports, you deny until it is official.

I'm not saying they are working on bringing back Fernando, just that I wouldn't surprised if they did.

Exactly. When has any F1 authority figure tipped off who he's going after with comments made in public? It's probably happened, but I can't think of any instances.

Author:  Lotus49 [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:31 pm ]
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Rockie wrote:
This is bound to happen as if I were a team principal or owner, I see no benefit in hiring Alonso.

If he wins it is described as his god like driving, and if it goes the other way its the car that is useless.


Not specific to Alonso as this season aptly proves.

Author:  mcdo [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:51 pm ]
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I don't know why Ferrari or Merc would go for him. I will admit I started to get my hopes up with all the talk of late, coupled with that positive response to Sky's question about his future. Ferrari seemed more believable than Merc... but still didn't really add up

Who should Ferrari get to replace Kimi if there are no Red Bull drivers available? How about a multi-year deal for Bottas, snatch him while Merc are dawdling :o

As for Alonso, maybe in Baku McLaren told him the Merc engine deal was signed

Author:  Lotus49 [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:02 pm ]
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mcdo wrote:
I don't know why Ferrari or Merc would go for him. I will admit I started to get my hopes up with all the talk of late, coupled with that positive response to Sky's question about his future. Ferrari seemed more believable than Merc... but still didn't really add up

Who should Ferrari get to replace Kimi if there are no Red Bull drivers available? How about a multi-year deal for Bottas, snatch him while Merc are dawdling :o

As for Alonso, maybe in Baku McLaren told him the Merc engine deal was signed


There's been talk of a noticeable change in attitude towards Honda from McLaren and Alonso this weekend in AMuS and elsewhere, borderline positive relations.

Which could mean nothing or it could mean Honda have given a reaction they both like behind the scenes, maybe things are looking more positive back at Sakura for the next stage engine or some changes have been made that Macca/Alo wanted rather than any Mercedes reason.

Author:  RaggedMan [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:05 pm ]
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It only makes sense for Ferrari to sign Alonso if they're sure that Seb will walk instead of extend. Having one driver who is a multi-WDC and in his prime paired with a former WDC who is near retirement isn't working for them now, and while I'm sure Alonso would be doing a better job in races than Kimi is, that combination doesn't help them in the near to long future.

They don't seem to have any prospects that they're particularly high on in their junior program so they're most likely to snipe a Perez, Sainz, etc. for a couple of years until Leclerc or Giovanzzi show something at Haas or Sauber.

Author:  hairy_scotsman [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:22 pm ]
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RaggedMan wrote:
It only makes sense for Ferrari to sign Alonso if they're sure that Seb will walk instead of extend. Having one driver who is a multi-WDC and in his prime paired with a former WDC who is near retirement isn't working for them now, and while I'm sure Alonso would be doing a better job in races than Kimi is, that combination doesn't help them in the near to long future.

They don't seem to have any prospects that they're particularly high on in their junior program so they're most likely to snipe a Perez, Sainz, etc. for a couple of years until Leclerc or Giovanzzi show something at Haas or Sauber.

I frequently hear this talk of Ferrari or others needing a "longer term" solution than Alonso. I don't buy it.

What is the "long term" to you? What is it to an F1 team? In F1, 3 years is an eternity, and we rarely hear of contracts longer than that. I would say Alonso is still in his prime. You think Alonso's not good for another 3 years of excellence? I think he is.

In addition, I'd think almost any team would love to have Alonso on board heading into the new engine regs in 2020 or 2021.

Author:  Quark [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:25 pm ]
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I don't see any reason why Ferrari would ditch Kimi and hire Alonso and all the politics and disruption he would bring along with him.

Author:  RaggedMan [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:46 pm ]
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hairy_scotsman wrote:
RaggedMan wrote:
It only makes sense for Ferrari to sign Alonso if they're sure that Seb will walk instead of extend. Having one driver who is a multi-WDC and in his prime paired with a former WDC who is near retirement isn't working for them now, and while I'm sure Alonso would be doing a better job in races than Kimi is, that combination doesn't help them in the near to long future.

They don't seem to have any prospects that they're particularly high on in their junior program so they're most likely to snipe a Perez, Sainz, etc. for a couple of years until Leclerc or Giovanzzi show something at Haas or Sauber.

I frequently hear this talk of Ferrari or others needing a "longer term" solution than Alonso. I don't buy it.

What is the "long term" to you? What is it to an F1 team? In F1, 3 years is an eternity, and we rarely hear of contracts longer than that. I would say Alonso is still in his prime. You think Alonso's not good for another 3 years of excellence? I think he is.

In addition, I'd think almost any team would love to have Alonso on board heading into the new engine regs in 2020 or 2021.

Alonso is definitely good to be putting out good results for the next 3 years and if they can't nail Seb down he's a great replacement. I don't think having them both at the same time is of great benefit to them long term but would probably work out well for the next couple of years. But what if Seb moves on to another team and Alonso retires or moves to WEC at the end of 2019?

If I'm an F1 team owner I'm looking at the next 3 years as near term and 5-7 years long term. If I've got a recent or current WDC and another driver with an established mid-field career under him I'd feel like I'm set for the near term. For years 3-7 down the road I'm going to be looking at my junior drivers and trying to get them into lower teams to see how they do at this level while also developing relationships with promising drivers who are with other teams.

Alonso still has value but he won't forever and you can't stake your future to him is all I'm saying.

Author:  F1 MERCENARY [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:10 pm ]
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Totally agree hairy_scottsman!

Alonso is not much different than any other top tier driver in what they demand. Vettel has placed Ferrari under the microscope so many times since he's been with them, that perhaps they're leaning on the fence more towards the side of having had enough of his tirades. His last one in Baku was a rather bad one to the point their man cannot be featured in any road safety events or advertisements for the rest of the season. Last year he literally told Charlie Whiting to go fly a kite with rather colorful language we've all heard fart too often by now, and his incessant angry whining about blue flags doesn't help his or Ferrari's image much either. And I'm not saying Vettel hasn't been correct in many instances, but other drivers experience and endure the exact same issues and they don't fly off the handle the same way. Even Kimi, whilst obviously upset with blue flag situations, doesn't swear and fly off the handle. he simply says in his amazing monotone voice what is going on, letting everyone know he's not pleased.

And for the record I think Seb is a sensational driver with loads of ability, but he has to realize that given his accomplishments and the amount of attention he receives, especially since he's driving a top performing car for the most famous racing team in the history of the world, he has to be more aware of that and speak more PG than R.

As for Marchionne, I've never liked the guy one bit and he strikes me as an arrogant nimbus, who put himself int he position he's in today through his position at Fiat. And while I wasn't a fan of LDM and his antics, this guy is even worse. For Ferrari (or any top team) to not want Alonso back is absurd, but more so with Ferrari whom cannot criticize one of their drivers enough and another who is constantly placing the brand under scrutiny for all of the wrong reasons. I cannot recall Alonso ever doing anything that shed a negative light on Ferrari outside of being honest at times where when asked a question about his package, he'd reply it's simply not good enough yet or that they still have a ways to go to bridge the gap to the leaders.

And for what it's worth, he exercised a lack of performance clause that was specifically agreed to in his contract when he singed with Ferrari. With the incredible revolving door that was Ferrari in his last year with them, AND the struggles the team was experiencing at the time, for anyone to hold a grudge with him over his decision to try his luck elsewhere is a bit childish and misplaced. After all, the drivers are expected to be big boys and handle the reality of situations, yet teams are exempt? Some people seriously need to get over themselves.

Author:  hairy_scotsman [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:23 pm ]
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^Nice post.

Author:  slide [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:33 pm ]
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max is the hot favourite for kimi's seat and about time too- that is if vettel doesn't get a say

Author:  SmoothRide [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:48 pm ]
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F1 MERCENARY wrote:
Alonso is not much different than any other top tier driver in what they demand. Vettel has placed Ferrari under the microscope so many times since he's been with them, that perhaps they're leaning on the fence more towards the side of having had enough of his tirades.


I am sure they are very "tired" of Vettel leading the WDC since winning the season opener this year.

F1 MERCENARY wrote:
His last one in Baku was a rather bad one to the point their man cannot be featured in any road safety events or advertisements for the rest of the season. Last year he literally told Charlie Whiting to go fly a kite with rather colorful language we've all heard fart too often by now, and his incessant angry whining about blue flags doesn't help his or Ferrari's image much either.


Baku incident was the worst thing that Vettel has done in his career, but it's nowhere near the Spygate or Crashgate affairs that Alonso was involved in.

F1 MERCENARY wrote:
And for what it's worth, he exercised a lack of performance clause that was specifically agreed to in his contract when he singed with Ferrari. With the incredible revolving door that was Ferrari in his last year with them, AND the struggles the team was experiencing at the time, for anyone to hold a grudge with him over his decision to try his luck elsewhere is a bit childish and misplaced. After all, the drivers are expected to be big boys and handle the reality of situations, yet teams are exempt? Some people seriously need to get over themselves.


He left Ferrari when they needed him so they can (and probably do) hold a grudge. Is it fair? I don't know, but it doesn't really matter. F1 is a cutthroat environment. Why should they take him back now when he is 35 years old, has a history of causing disruption, and would greatly complicate internal team politics?

Author:  jrwb6e [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:49 pm ]
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RaggedMan wrote:
Alonso is definitely good to be putting out good results for the next 3 years and if they can't nail Seb down he's a great replacement. I don't think having them both at the same time is of great benefit to them long term but would probably work out well for the next couple of years. But what if Seb moves on to another team and Alonso retires or moves to WEC at the end of 2019?

If I'm an F1 team owner I'm looking at the next 3 years as near term and 5-7 years long term. If I've got a recent or current WDC and another driver with an established mid-field career under him I'd feel like I'm set for the near term. For years 3-7 down the road I'm going to be looking at my junior drivers and trying to get them into lower teams to see how they do at this level while also developing relationships with promising drivers who are with other teams.

Alonso still has value but he won't forever and you can't stake your future to him is all I'm saying.


Alonso is more than a great replacement, he's an upgrade over Seb. You get the speed plus consistency and without all the trouble and drama that Seb causes with the FIA.

Author:  RaggedMan [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:40 pm ]
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jrwb6e wrote:
RaggedMan wrote:
Alonso is definitely good to be putting out good results for the next 3 years and if they can't nail Seb down he's a great replacement. I don't think having them both at the same time is of great benefit to them long term but would probably work out well for the next couple of years. But what if Seb moves on to another team and Alonso retires or moves to WEC at the end of 2019?

If I'm an F1 team owner I'm looking at the next 3 years as near term and 5-7 years long term. If I've got a recent or current WDC and another driver with an established mid-field career under him I'd feel like I'm set for the near term. For years 3-7 down the road I'm going to be looking at my junior drivers and trying to get them into lower teams to see how they do at this level while also developing relationships with promising drivers who are with other teams.

Alonso still has value but he won't forever and you can't stake your future to him is all I'm saying.


Alonso is more than a great replacement, he's an upgrade over Seb. You get the speed plus consistency and without all the trouble and drama that Seb causes with the FIA.

What about all the trouble and drama that Alonso causes the team? And I'm not talking about Crashgate or Spygate, but rather the comments like "the team doesn't want me to win" at Renault the complaints about the car at Ferrari and now at McLaren. Even when the complaints about the car are valid they don't always have to be aired in public the way Alonso does.

None of the top drivers are drama free and likely never will be.

Author:  F1 MERCENARY [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:12 pm ]
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SmoothRide wrote:
F1 MERCENARY wrote:
Alonso is not much different than any other top tier driver in what they demand. Vettel has placed Ferrari under the microscope so many times since he's been with them, that perhaps they're leaning on the fence more towards the side of having had enough of his tirades.


I am sure they are very "tired" of Vettel leading the WDC since winning the season opener this year.

F1 MERCENARY wrote:
His last one in Baku was a rather bad one to the point their man cannot be featured in any road safety events or advertisements for the rest of the season. Last year he literally told Charlie Whiting to go fly a kite with rather colorful language we've all heard fart too often by now, and his incessant angry whining about blue flags doesn't help his or Ferrari's image much either.


Baku incident was the worst thing that Vettel has done in his career, but it's nowhere near the Spygate or Crashgate affairs that Alonso was involved in.

F1 MERCENARY wrote:
And for what it's worth, he exercised a lack of performance clause that was specifically agreed to in his contract when he singed with Ferrari. With the incredible revolving door that was Ferrari in his last year with them, AND the struggles the team was experiencing at the time, for anyone to hold a grudge with him over his decision to try his luck elsewhere is a bit childish and misplaced. After all, the drivers are expected to be big boys and handle the reality of situations, yet teams are exempt? Some people seriously need to get over themselves.


He left Ferrari when they needed him so they can (and probably do) hold a grudge. Is it fair? I don't know, but it doesn't really matter. F1 is a cutthroat environment. Why should they take him back now when he is 35 years old, has a history of causing disruption, and would greatly complicate internal team politics?

You miss the point. They are obviously pleased that Vettel is doing well in the championship but I'm also pretty sure they REALLY don't think his antics are anything they want to associate their brand with. They are afterall, the darling of the series and of the Supercar world, and to have such poor behavior from a person adorned head to toe in red with prancing horses all over the place is representative of their prestigious brand.

Don't know how you didn't get that and are so readily dismissive of it. Essentially you are saying a driver can behave as he pleases so long as he's ahead in the championship. Poor argument there.

Spygate was a serious issue BUT Alonso was not alone in the entire fiasco and was but one of the several people involved. If anyone was in such a position would they have handled it any differently? Not saying anyone was justified in such a scenario, but painted into a corner in such fashion, you'd eventually have enough of it too and play your hand and call their bluff.

Regarding Crashgate, as far as I am aware, after all the evidence was read and heard, I'm fairly certain that Alonso was found to be COMPLETELY innocent in the entire incident and had no idea is teammate was bullied into crashing on purpose so he could get the team the win.

"The World Motor Sport Council thanked him for cooperating with the FIA’s enquiries and for attending the meeting, and concluded that Mr. Alonso was not in any way involved in Renault F1’s breach of the regulations. This we think means that the Spaniard was not aware about the conspiracy to earn him the victory!"

http://www.f1pulse.com/news/2009092150/ ... ry-hearing

People shouldn't spread false rumors because they tend to grow to become the gospel, however untrue they may be.


He left Ferrari at a time when they needed him?…

The one thing I will agree with you on is that F1 is definitely cutthroat, and no team is more cutthroat than Ferrari. LOL What They did to Michael in 2006, more specifically LDM is likely the most cold blooded thing in the history of the sport, and it was done to the person who took them from flailing embarrassment to most dominant contender ever! And though many will argue those are rumors, they are in fact not rumors.

WARNING, long read, but very good: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 8d#p395732

And if that wasn't enough, 3 years later, they do even worse to the guy they axed him out for! LOLOLOL

So just as I say with ALL professional sports teams, Why should they get to hold all of the cards and dictate how everyone's career and lives go when it's the athletes that put it all on the line for the sports and teams? To that I say baloney!!!

Alonso did what he felt was in his best interest precisely the same way all teams do, thinking only of what's best for them. He did absolutely nothing wrong in departing the team.

Author:  Exediron [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:28 pm ]
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F1 MERCENARY wrote:
People shouldn't spread false rumors because they tend to grow to become the gospel, however untrue they may be.

If everyone followed this advice... nope, better if I don't finish that thought! :o

As far as Alonso, though - I do believe that Marchionne doesn't want him back. He strikes me as a very proud man who always wants to be in control, and he clearly feels that Alonso snubbed the team. I can't see a return until Marchionne is gone.

Author:  Alienturnedhuman [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:29 pm ]
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I am glad Alonso is not at Ferrari. I would have hated spending the last 2 weeks reading all the arguments about Hamilton rear-ending him behind the Safety Car at Baku.

The only way I could see him moving there is if Vettel moves to Mercedes - but that's unlikely at the moment as Ferrari have had the stronger package this season (although Merc has been slightly faster when they have got their car to work properly) Ferrari has better aero, and they are gaining on Mercedes on overall engine performance.

If Vettel stays at Ferrari I would think it was more likely Hamilton would move to Ferrari and Alonso take his Merc seat than Ferrari put Alonso with Vettel.

Author:  hairy_scotsman [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:34 pm ]
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RaggedMan wrote:
jrwb6e wrote:
RaggedMan wrote:
Alonso is definitely good to be putting out good results for the next 3 years and if they can't nail Seb down he's a great replacement. I don't think having them both at the same time is of great benefit to them long term but would probably work out well for the next couple of years. But what if Seb moves on to another team and Alonso retires or moves to WEC at the end of 2019?

If I'm an F1 team owner I'm looking at the next 3 years as near term and 5-7 years long term. If I've got a recent or current WDC and another driver with an established mid-field career under him I'd feel like I'm set for the near term. For years 3-7 down the road I'm going to be looking at my junior drivers and trying to get them into lower teams to see how they do at this level while also developing relationships with promising drivers who are with other teams.

Alonso still has value but he won't forever and you can't stake your future to him is all I'm saying.


Alonso is more than a great replacement, he's an upgrade over Seb. You get the speed plus consistency and without all the trouble and drama that Seb causes with the FIA.

What about all the trouble and drama that Alonso causes the team? And I'm not talking about Crashgate or Spygate, but rather the comments like "the team doesn't want me to win" at Renault the complaints about the car at Ferrari and now at McLaren. Even when the complaints about the car are valid they don't always have to be aired in public the way Alonso does.

None of the top drivers are drama free and likely never will be.

At McLaren he has never complained about the chassis McLaren has produced. In fact, he's consistently spoken about it in glowing terms, esp this year. Of course he's told the truth about the Honda PU, and yes he's even complained about it (as have Button and Vandoorne), but in no way has he laid the responsibility for that PU at the feet of the team. In fact, most people who have actually paid attention to his full quotes and their context believe that he has the full backing of the team in making these remarks about the PU ... and even believe that the comments were orchestrated in advance by the team through Alonso and Button. It makes a lot of sense. It's not as if the team likes the PU holding them back and making their car look like s***. Don't confuse a complaint about the PU with a complaint about the team or the car. Alonso has gone out of his way to repeatedly heap praise on the team at every opportunity.

Definitely agree though that every top driver, and most of the others, will bring their own share of drama. It happens up and down the paddock. You just hear more about some than others.

Author:  hairy_scotsman [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ferrari "not interested" in Alonso

F1 MERCENARY wrote:
He left Ferrari when they needed him so they can (and probably do) hold a grudge. Is it fair? I don't know, but it doesn't really matter. F1 is a cutthroat environment. Why should they take him back now when he is 35 years old, has a history of causing disruption, and would greatly complicate internal team politics?
You miss the point. They are obviously pleased that Vettel is doing well in the championship but I'm also pretty sure they REALLY don't think his antics are anything they want to associate their brand with. They are afterall, the darling of the series and of the Supercar world, and to have such poor behavior from a person adorned head to toe in red with prancing horses all over the place is representative of their prestigious brand.

Don't know how you didn't get that and are so readily dismissive of it. Essentially you are saying a driver can behave as he pleases so long as he's ahead in the championship. Poor argument there.

Spygate was a serious issue BUT Alonso was not alone in the entire fiasco and was but one of the several people involved. If anyone was in such a position would they have handled it any differently? Not saying anyone was justified in such a scenario, but painted into a corner in such fashion, you'd eventually have enough of it too and play your hand and call their bluff.

Regarding Crashgate, as far as I am aware, after all the evidence was read and heard, I'm fairly certain that Alonso was found to be COMPLETELY innocent in the entire incident and had no idea is teammate was bullied into crashing on purpose so he could get the team the win.

"The World Motor Sport Council thanked him for cooperating with the FIA’s enquiries and for attending the meeting, and concluded that Mr. Alonso was not in any way involved in Renault F1’s breach of the regulations. This we think means that the Spaniard was not aware about the conspiracy to earn him the victory!"

http://www.f1pulse.com/news/2009092150/ ... ry-hearing

People shouldn't spread false rumors because they tend to grow to become the gospel, however untrue they may be.


He left Ferrari at a time when they needed him?…

The one thing I will agree with you on is that F1 is definitely cutthroat, and no team is more cutthroat than Ferrari. LOL What They did to Michael in 2006, more specifically LDM is likely the most cold blooded thing in the history of the sport, and it was done to the person who took them from flailing embarrassment to most dominant contender ever! And though many will argue those are rumors, they are in fact not rumors.

WARNING, long read, but very good: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 8d#p395732

And if that wasn't enough, 3 years later, they do even worse to the guy they axed him out for! LOLOLOL

So just as I say with ALL professional sports teams, Why should they get to hold all of the cards and dictate how everyone's career and lives go when it's the athletes that put it all on the line for the sports and teams? To that I say baloney!!!

Alonso did what he felt was in his best interest precisely the same way all teams do, thinking only of what's best for them. He did absolutely nothing wrong in departing the team.

Yep. And if Spygate were such a huge deal, then Ferrari wouldn't have hired him the first time.

Author:  hairy_scotsman [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ferrari "not interested" in Alonso

Alienturnedhuman wrote:
I am glad Alonso is not at Ferrari. I would have hated spending the last 2 weeks reading all the arguments about Hamilton rear-ending him behind the Safety Car at Baku.

The only way I could see him moving there is if Vettel moves to Mercedes - but that's unlikely at the moment as Ferrari have had the stronger package this season (although Merc has been slightly faster when they have got their car to work properly) Ferrari has better aero, and they are gaining on Mercedes on overall engine performance.

If Vettel stays at Ferrari I would think it was more likely Hamilton would move to Ferrari and Alonso take his Merc seat than Ferrari put Alonso with Vettel.

What you did there ... I see it. And I agree.

Author:  Pullrod [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ferrari "not interested" in Alonso

HAM and VET may be divas but they are "employees", ALO is not.
ALO wants to run the show and with people with large egos like Toto/Lauda and Marchionne/Arrivabene, it is not going to work.

Do you remember what Horner, Toto had to say about his Indy experience? he has alienated some people and wanted to be bigger than F1.
Who is McLaren's boss again? Z. brown? Boullier? Hasegawa? no no it's ALO.

Mercedes have been burned once and they have plenty of options, same as Ferrari. He is also unlucky there are many good drivers in the grid now.
He has to wish McLaren comes back strong in the next years and in F1 you never know so all is possible but he has to change his attitude(my opinion).

Author:  Blinky McSquinty [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ferrari "not interested" in Alonso

Formula One is a result-driven business. Wins, championships, and good results are the fuel that drives any team forward. You may have the most charismatic driver in the universe, but if he does not produce results, it is all in vain. I mentioned the word "business" because this is very relevant. Teams look at drivers and situations not emotionally, but from a very cold and calculating viewpoint.

There is a lot going on within the Formula One community, little we ever hear of. Drivers constantly communicate with other teams, and vice versa with the intent of feeling each other out, and exploring options. Every so often Eddie Jordan may get a tidbit and spill the beans, but Formula One has big ears and the grapevine(s) is intense. Mechanics talk to other mechanics, team principles talk to each other, the word of anything big spreads very quickly.

So unfortunately, we the fans get very little of the true picture,most of it is a landscape of fantasy painted by some pundit who mows little and has a huge imagination. As far as temperamental or difficult driver,s the sport has always had them and currently has a full larder. But when a team and driver do decide to agree on a contract, those can be lengthly and full of penalty and release clauses.

And forget any Red Bull driver going anywhere in the near future, Red Bull know how to keep their drivers within the organization. Of course Vettel was an exception, but he wanted to go, and with his four time WDC status, was asking more than the organization was willing to pay. Red Bull usually pay their drivers a pittance, and instead have generous performance bonuses. So a very expensive Vettle was let go, and a much cheaper driver with just as much potential (Ricciardo) because number one.

IMO Alonso can go to any team with a spare seat, his past indiscretions mean little when talent is the prime factor.

We are approximately half way through the season, and Ferrari need Raikkonen. They have a realistic chance of winning both the WDC and MDC. So Ferrari may be saying what is politically correct for them, supporting Raikkonen. That is the public noise, but behind the scene all kinds of sculduggery may be going on.

Author:  Pullrod [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ferrari "not interested" in Alonso

Blinky McSquinty wrote:
Formula One is a result-driven business. Wins, championships, and good results are the fuel that drives any team forward. You may have the most charismatic driver in the universe, but if he does not produce results, it is all in vain. I mentioned the word "business" because this is very relevant. Teams look at drivers and situations not emotionally, but from a very cold and calculating viewpoint.

There is a lot going on within the Formula One community, little we ever hear of. Drivers constantly communicate with other teams, and vice versa with the intent of feeling each other out, and exploring options. Every so often Eddie Jordan may get a tidbit and spill the beans, but Formula One has big ears and the grapevine(s) is intense. Mechanics talk to other mechanics, team principles talk to each other, the word of anything big spreads very quickly.

So unfortunately, we the fans get very little of the true picture,most of it is a landscape of fantasy painted by some pundit who mows little and has a huge imagination. As far as temperamental or difficult driver,s the sport has always had them and currently has a full larder. But when a team and driver do decide to agree on a contract, those can be lengthly and full of penalty and release clauses.

And forget any Red Bull driver going anywhere in the near future, Red Bull know how to keep their drivers within the organization. Of course Vettel was an exception, but he wanted to go, and with his four time WDC status, was asking more than the organization was willing to pay. Red Bull usually pay their drivers a pittance, and instead have generous performance bonuses. So a very expensive Vettle was let go, and a much cheaper driver with just as much potential (Ricciardo) because number one.

IMO Alonso can go to any team with a spare seat, his past indiscretions mean little when talent is the prime factor.

We are approximately half way through the season, and Ferrari need Raikkonen. They have a realistic chance of winning both the WDC and MDC. So Ferrari may be saying what is politically correct for them, supporting Raikkonen. That is the public noise, but behind the scene all kinds of sculduggery may be going on.


I am sorry but ALO doesn't hold the cards and will certainly not be the first pick.
ALO will get a seat ONLY if HAM or VET does a ROS and quit before the end of their contract.
It has been 3 years now that ALO told us that he could go wherever he wanted. But it is not happening. And I have predicted it 2/3 years ago.

Author:  F1 MERCENARY [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ferrari "not interested" in Alonso

He doesn't hold all the cards. In fact he only holds the one…

The one that says he is one of the, if not the absolute best drivers in F1.
All he needs to jump to another team, and I will not discount Mercedes or Ferrari. Right now we're seeing Lewis pretty upset with the penalty over his transmission swap and he is getting back to the hard-nosed machine who does what is necessary to come out on top and that leads to turmoil, because it means if he does his job properly, then his teammate will become annoyed and eventually sparks fly. As such, I think Wolff will use it as an excuse to say Hamilton is too much of a headache and he is free to sign any top tier driver on the market, not excluding Alonso. He can say whatever he thinks is most politically correct publicly, but privately he's smart enough to realize that if Lewis and Mercedes part ways and Alonso is available, he'd be the greatest village idiot in history for not offering him the seat. And as much as I don't care for Wolff (or post driving career Lauda) I don't take him for being a particularly unintelligent person.

Bottas is HIS boy so I think it's a pretty safe bet he's staying put for a good while to come, so any change at Mercedes will revolve around Lewis' situation.

One thing I'll never forget about Wolff is how sneaky he's been in the past.

Author:  oz_karter [ Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ferrari "not interested" in Alonso

Wouldn't be the first time a team has claimed the exact opposite of what is happening behind closed doors.

In saying that, I'm not convinced Alonso will pop up at Ferrari. I think he will leave McLaren, but exactly which seat he lands in is very unclear.

Author:  ReservoirDog [ Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ferrari "not interested" in Alonso

I don't know why this keeps getting brought up.

I can't think of a single reason Ferrari would hire Alonso. This is a non-issue really.

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