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we saw like 2 replays on the world feed. coulthard on channel 4 seems to be placing the blame at seb.

So. who was to blame and what (if anything) will happen to Sebastian vettel and/or stroll.

it's being looked at by the stewards.


on a side note. will anyone be punished for vettel getting a lift with the sauber. thought that was banned now?


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Need to see a better angle, and a view from strolls car.


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I feel both are to be blamed. Stroll could've kept a close watch in his mirrors & had he seen Vettel fast approaching him, he could've taken preventive measure by braking or steering left.

The video:
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Vettel did not replace his steering wheel of his stricken car; a violation of FIA rules.


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He will indeed happened there.

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Herb Tarlik wrote:
Vettel did not replace his steering wheel of his stricken car; a violation of FIA rules.

Might be the rule is in place only during an official session? The race was over at that point.

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Covalent wrote:
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Vettel did not replace his steering wheel of his stricken car; a violation of FIA rules.

Might be the rule is in place only during an official session? The race was over at that point.


The marshals still need to be able to move the car. The regs say that a car cannot be left without a steering wheel. Ever.

Steve Machett on USA tv (who knows the regs) says this was a clear infraction.


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Covalent wrote:
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Vettel did not replace his steering wheel of his stricken car; a violation of FIA rules.

Might be the rule is in place only during an official session? The race was over at that point.


I think the rule is so track workers can move the car if needed. I dont think that would be an issue in this case though


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No action by stewards. Probably about right.


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moby wrote:
Covalent wrote:
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Vettel did not replace his steering wheel of his stricken car; a violation of FIA rules.

Might be the rule is in place only during an official session? The race was over at that point.


I think the rule is so track workers can move the car if needed. I dont think that would be an issue in this case though


The rules do not make exceptions for car condition.


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what the he'll happened to that thread title.

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what the he'll happened to that thread title.


Hell get back to you on that later.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:25 am 
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Herb Tarlik wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
Vettel did not replace his steering wheel of his stricken car; a violation of FIA rules.

Might be the rule is in place only during an official session? The race was over at that point.


The marshals still need to be able to move the car. The regs say that a car cannot be left without a steering wheel. Ever.

Steve Machett on USA tv (who knows the regs) says this was a clear infraction.

Quote or link the rule that says the car cannot be left without a steering wheel. Ever.

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The footage taken from behind the two cars shows it to be largely Stroll's fault. He seemed unaware that Vettel was alongside and wandered to the right. Hopefully there'll be no damage to Vettel's gearbox, it'd be very disappointing for this silly incident to affect the title race.


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Covalent wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
Vettel did not replace his steering wheel of his stricken car; a violation of FIA rules.

Might be the rule is in place only during an official session? The race was over at that point.


The marshals still need to be able to move the car. The regs say that a car cannot be left without a steering wheel. Ever.

Steve Machett on USA tv (who knows the regs) says this was a clear infraction.

Quote or link the rule that says the car cannot be left without a steering wheel. Ever.


Again, Steve Machett o USA television said this was a clear infraction of FIA regulations. You think he doesnt know the regulations? Seriously? :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Looking at the replay I'd say it's Stroll's fault completely.

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Yeah after seeing the other angles, its mostly Strolls fault.

Clumsy accident.


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The footage taken from behind the two cars shows it to be largely Stroll's fault. He seemed unaware that Vettel was alongside and wandered to the right. Hopefully there'll be no damage to Vettel's gearbox, it'd be very disappointing for this silly incident to affect the title race.


Indeed - though I think the stewards made the right call.


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Herb Tarlik wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
Vettel did not replace his steering wheel of his stricken car; a violation of FIA rules.

Might be the rule is in place only during an official session? The race was over at that point.


The marshals still need to be able to move the car. The regs say that a car cannot be left without a steering wheel. Ever.

Steve Machett on USA tv (who knows the regs) says this was a clear infraction.

Quote or link the rule that says the car cannot be left without a steering wheel. Ever.


Again, Steve Machett o USA television said this was a clear infraction of FIA regulations. You think he doesnt know the regulations? Seriously? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't know the guy so can't say. Lololololololol

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I don't understand why Vettel went to close to Stroll, he was not in a racing situation fighting for position, and cars move around on the in lap to collect rubber. Whether Stroll moved slightly right or not is irrelevant... Vettel should not have been passing another car within centimetres on a cool down lap.


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Herb Tarlik wrote:
Vettel did not replace his steering wheel of his stricken car; a violation of FIA rules.

Man, you're quite obsessed with a potential penalty for Vettel not for the first time.


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Covalent wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
Covalent wrote:

Might be the rule is in place only during an official session? The race was over at that point.


The marshals still need to be able to move the car. The regs say that a car cannot be left without a steering wheel. Ever.

Steve Machett on USA tv (who knows the regs) says this was a clear infraction.

Quote or link the rule that says the car cannot be left without a steering wheel. Ever.


Again, Steve Machett o USA television said this was a clear infraction of FIA regulations. You think he doesnt know the regulations? Seriously? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't know the guy so can't say. Lololololololol


Throughout his time with Benetton he worked with many key drivers and personalities of the era: Michael Schumacher, Nelson Piquet, Riccardo Patrese, Martin Brundle, Johnny Herbert, Gerhard Berger and Jean Alesi all drove F1 cars prepared by Matchett.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Herb Tarlik wrote:
moby wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
Vettel did not replace his steering wheel of his stricken car; a violation of FIA rules.

Might be the rule is in place only during an official session? The race was over at that point.


I think the rule is so track workers can move the car if needed. I dont think that would be an issue in this case though


The rules do not make exceptions for car condition.

How do you know this, since you seem reluctant / unable to produce the actual regulation when asked?


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again clumsy and unnecessary from vettel. but stroll did veer right obviously not expecting anyone so close and fast around the outside. just another silly incident that vettel seems drawn to.


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Zoue wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
moby wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
Vettel did not replace his steering wheel of his stricken car; a violation of FIA rules.

Might be the rule is in place only during an official session? The race was over at that point.


I think the rule is so track workers can move the car if needed. I dont think that would be an issue in this case though


The rules do not make exceptions for car condition.

How do you know this, since you seem reluctant / unable to produce the actual regulation when asked?


Now the third time. STEVE MACHETT, a former Renault mechanic who calls the races on USA TV stated it. I trust him, a paid professional, to know what the rules are over the peanut gallery here.


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I actually always thought there was a rule that they had to put the steering wheel back in the car. No idea how they punish someone who breaks the rule. A fine is my guess

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Zoue wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
moby wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
Vettel did not replace his steering wheel of his stricken car; a violation of FIA rules.

Might be the rule is in place only during an official session? The race was over at that point.


I think the rule is so track workers can move the car if needed. I dont think that would be an issue in this case though


The rules do not make exceptions for car condition.

How do you know this, since you seem reluctant / unable to produce the actual regulation when asked?


22.5 A driver who abandons a car must leave it in neutral or with the clutch disengaged, with the ERS shut down and with the steering wheel in place.

Happy now? Was that too hard for you? Or did you really not want to know?


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From the aerial view shown on NBCSN, Stroll moved right almost as if he didn't realize Vettel was there. It's a long hot race, high speed lots of "Gs" and dehydration, which I suspect could cause a lack of concentration.

IMHO, Vettel was probably the same state of exhaustion (he ran the Super Softs off his Ferrari and gave it a good shot) and although he held his line, his line didn't need to be that close to Stroll and the young driver rather back-pedaled from his radio comment, expressing confusion when chatting with Will Buxton from NBCSN.


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Barrichello got a fine in Monaco 2011 for dropping his steering wheel out of the car. It got hit by another car and taken down the track so he couldn't reafix it.

I would very much hope Vettel wouldn't get any more than a fine.


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Herb Tarlik wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
moby wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Might be the rule is in place only during an official session? The race was over at that point.


I think the rule is so track workers can move the car if needed. I dont think that would be an issue in this case though


The rules do not make exceptions for car condition.

How do you know this, since you seem reluctant / unable to produce the actual regulation when asked?


22.5 A driver who abandons a car must leave it in neutral or with the clutch disengaged, with the ERS shut down and with the steering wheel in place.

Happy now? Was that too hard for you? Or did you really not want to know?

No, I wanted to know. That's generally the reason for asking


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Zoue wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
moby wrote:


I think the rule is so track workers can move the car if needed. I dont think that would be an issue in this case though


The rules do not make exceptions for car condition.

How do you know this, since you seem reluctant / unable to produce the actual regulation when asked?


22.5 A driver who abandons a car must leave it in neutral or with the clutch disengaged, with the ERS shut down and with the steering wheel in place.

Happy now? Was that too hard for you? Or did you really not want to know?

No, I wanted to know. That's generally the reason for asking


For most people, perhaps. You, not a chance.


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Zoue wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
moby wrote:
Covalent wrote:
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Vettel did not replace his steering wheel of his stricken car; a violation of FIA rules.

Might be the rule is in place only during an official session? The race was over at that point.


I think the rule is so track workers can move the car if needed. I dont think that would be an issue in this case though


The rules do not make exceptions for car condition.

How do you know this, since you seem reluctant / unable to produce the actual regulation when asked?


:thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: , The steering wheel rule has been that way since I can't remember when, big NO-NO.

Which begs the question, what trick switches were on the steering wheel which Vettel did not want others to see?


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F1nut wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
moby wrote:
Covalent wrote:

Might be the rule is in place only during an official session? The race was over at that point.


I think the rule is so track workers can move the car if needed. I dont think that would be an issue in this case though


The rules do not make exceptions for car condition.

How do you know this, since you seem reluctant / unable to produce the actual regulation when asked?


:thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: , The steering wheel rule has been that way since I can't remember when, big NO-NO.

Which begs the question, what trick switches were on the steering wheel which Vettel did not want others to see?


Hilarious how a few pretend to not know this rule.


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suzy blaming seb


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Herb Tarlik wrote:
Hilarious how a few pretend to not know this rule.


:thumbup: , btw I checked original quick release wheel and rule about leaving it with the car was in the 1990s replaced by the 2008 new steering wheel regs and rule.........


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slide wrote:
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Lol, yes as her opinion is not linked to being to being the wife of the team principal.


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Lol, yes as her opinion is not linked to being to being the wife of the team principal.


She's married to neither Ferrari nor Williams TP...

She wasn't the only one putting the blame on Seb. DC did too.

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Lol, yes as her opinion is not linked to being to being the wife of the team principal.


And your opinion isn't linked to your hero worship of one of the drivers in question?

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F1nut wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
moby wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Might be the rule is in place only during an official session? The race was over at that point.


I think the rule is so track workers can move the car if needed. I dont think that would be an issue in this case though


The rules do not make exceptions for car condition.

How do you know this, since you seem reluctant / unable to produce the actual regulation when asked?


:thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: , The steering wheel rule has been that way since I can't remember when, big NO-NO.

Which begs the question, what trick switches were on the steering wheel which Vettel did not want others to see?

I know the general rule that the steering wheel needs to be replaced, but not that it applies in all situations with no exceptions. Seems to me if there's been a crash then there might be more flexibility? I thought the general idea was that it was needed to help the marshals wheel the car away, but if a car hasn't got all its wheels, what's the point? Just wanted clarification on that


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Herb Tarlik wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Herb Tarlik wrote:

The rules do not make exceptions for car condition.

How do you know this, since you seem reluctant / unable to produce the actual regulation when asked?


22.5 A driver who abandons a car must leave it in neutral or with the clutch disengaged, with the ERS shut down and with the steering wheel in place.

Happy now? Was that too hard for you? Or did you really not want to know?

No, I wanted to know. That's generally the reason for asking


For most people, perhaps. You, not a chance.

Well, I wasn't the only one asking, so...


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