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Alonso 0.5 or 0.6 quicker than Vandoorne!



Alonso has aero upgrades according to zak brown interview via pit wall.


I think they both ran it, I saw it on Stoffs car in FP1. It's a new front wing.

Vandoorne's got the upgraded engine hence the penalty.

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These track limits are doing my head in.


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It's impossible to win the WDC with a car that is so inferior in qualifying.

It wasn't so inferior in Russia, Hungary, Singapore and Malaysia. Ferrari have had plenty of chances. With Bottas and Massa in the Mercedes, Vettel would have a huge number of poles and would be leading the WDC.

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Wasn't expecting anything other than a Merc front row, tbh!. Both Hamilton and Vettel did pretty stonking laps IMO.


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So close between Bottas, Ricciardo and Kimi! Ricciardo and Kimi the same and Bottas 9 thousandths quicker.


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Lotus49 wrote:
Mayhem wrote:
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Alonso 0.5 or 0.6 quicker than Vandoorne!



Alonso has aero upgrades according to zak brown interview via pit wall.


I think they both ran it, I saw it on Stoffs car in FP1. It's a new front wing.

Vandoorne's got the upgraded engine hence the penalty.


Stoffel had it in FP1 but Alonso got it in Q. Vandoorne reverted to old spec.

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Hamilton has a habit of nailing his first laps in Q3. Vettel super sharp in S1 and S3.


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Hamilton exceeded track limits on both his Q3 runs according to the TV guys. Will they have the guts to throw his laps out?


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F1Tyrant wrote:
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It's impossible to win the WDC with a car that is so inferior in qualifying.

It wasn't so inferior in Russia, Hungary, Singapore and Malaysia. Ferrari have had plenty of chances. With Bottas and Massa in the Mercedes, Vettel would have a huge number of poles and would be leading the WDC.

I agree that with a lesser driver in the Mercedes, Vettel may well be leading the WDC now. But with two exceptional drivers like Hamilton and Vettel fighting it out, every advantage is critical. You can't really take four races out of entire year as evidence that Ferrari have a level playing field on Saturday


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I keep saying that Hamilton is playing a not-insignificant factor in this title. Without him, Seb would have this title comfortably.

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Hamilton exceeded track limits on both his Q3 runs according to the TV guys. Will they have the guts to throw his laps out?

I saw pretty much every driver doing so


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mds wrote:
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Mayhem wrote:
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Alonso 0.5 or 0.6 quicker than Vandoorne!



Alonso has aero upgrades according to zak brown interview via pit wall.


I think they both ran it, I saw it on Stoffs car in FP1. It's a new front wing.

Vandoorne's got the upgraded engine hence the penalty.


Stoffel had it in FP1 but Alonso got it in Q. Vandoorne reverted to old spec.


Cheers. :thumbup:

Honda fans sigh with relief then. :o

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Zoue wrote:
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Hamilton exceeded track limits on both his Q3 runs according to the TV guys. Will they have the guts to throw his laps out?

I saw pretty much every driver doing so


Yep definitely others did, but Seb did not on his insane last run.


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hummm, Ricardo and Kimi have the same Q3 lap times 1:33.577......

Does F1 have more decimals than show on the timing and scoring web-site?


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Theory: Raikkonen overtook Hamilton in order to back Hamilton into Bottas, thereby compromising Bottas' lap and giving Vettel a shot at the front row, which worked ;)

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hummm, Ricardo and Kimi have the same Q3 lap times 1:33.577......

Does F1 have more decimals than show on the timing and scoring web-site?

First one to set the time is ahead.

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hummm, Ricardo and Kimi have the same Q3 lap times 1:33.577......

Does F1 have more decimals than show on the timing and scoring web-site?
Don't think any further decimals are used to judge. IIRC it goes on who set the time first


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Should be a humdinger between Lewis and Seb in the race. I expect a real battle and a lot of pressure.


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We could finally get another battle at the front. Looking good.

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Should be a humdinger between Lewis and Seb in the race. I expect a real battle and a lot of pressure.


Pressure is on Vettel only. If he has a DNF, Hamilton is very much '17 champion!

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Hamilton unbeatable, well impressed by that Vettel 2nd place. I thought Max had Dan beat, mighty result for Dan. What a great result for Sainz on his Renault debut. And Alonso on top form again

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I keep saying that Hamilton is playing a not-insignificant factor in this title. Without him, Seb would have this title comfortably.

Both main protagonists are. If Vettel wasn't in the Ferrari, Lewis would probably have wrapped it up several races ago and people would probably be treating this much like 2016


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Should be a humdinger between Lewis and Seb in the race. I expect a real battle and a lot of pressure.


Pressure is on Vettel only. If he has a DNF, Hamilton is very much '17 champion!



I mean racecraft and race pace pressure during the race itself - keeping each other honest.


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Invade wrote:
Should be a humdinger between Lewis and Seb in the race. I expect a real battle and a lot of pressure.

I wouldn't rule out a double DNF into the first corner, particularly if the leader sticks his elbows out on the exit.

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wolfticket wrote:
Theory: Raikkonen overtook Hamilton in order to back Hamilton into Bottas, thereby compromising Bottas' lap and giving Vettel a shot at the front row, which worked ;)

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hummm, Ricardo and Kimi have the same Q3 lap times 1:33.577......

Does F1 have more decimals than show on the timing and scoring web-site?

First one to set the time is ahead.


Kimi went slower on his second attempt, set his 1:33.577 time on his first try and Ricardo did his 1:33.577 on his second lap of Q3, so how can your comment be valid?


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F1Tyrant wrote:
I keep saying that Hamilton is playing a not-insignificant factor in this title. Without him, Seb would have this title comfortably.


Bottas is only 12 points behind Vettel, and, IMO, there are several drivers better than him out there. Replace Hamilton with Ricciardo, Sainz or whoever and we'd probably have an even closer competition up front.

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F1nut wrote:
wolfticket wrote:
Theory: Raikkonen overtook Hamilton in order to back Hamilton into Bottas, thereby compromising Bottas' lap and giving Vettel a shot at the front row, which worked ;)

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hummm, Ricardo and Kimi have the same Q3 lap times 1:33.577......

Does F1 have more decimals than show on the timing and scoring web-site?

First one to set the time is ahead.


Kimi went slower on his second attempt, set his 1:33.577 time on his first try and Ricardo did his 1:33.577 on his second lap of Q3, so how can your comment be valid?

From SKY:

They actually set the same 1:33.577 time, but Ricciardo takes fourth as he set the time first.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/live-blog


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So the rule 'you must go to be weighed without anyone touching you' has fallen by the wayside then?


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MasterRacer wrote:
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Hamilton exceeded track limits on both his Q3 runs according to the TV guys. Will they have the guts to throw his laps out?

I saw pretty much every driver doing so


Yep definitely others did, but Seb did not on his insane last run.

Maybe you should watch again, he went wide on the last turn. And possible another time, but it was close and I think that was also the turn that Charlie was letting them off.

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Zoue wrote:
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I keep saying that Hamilton is playing a not-insignificant factor in this title. Without him, Seb would have this title comfortably.

Both main protagonists are. If Vettel wasn't in the Ferrari, Lewis would probably have wrapped it up several races ago and people would probably be treating this much like 2016


Zoue, I'd like to ask. Does your estimation of both drivers go up (or down) at all in light of their performances this year?


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Hamilton exceeded track limits on both his Q3 runs according to the TV guys. Will they have the guts to throw his laps out?

Numerous cars did it without penalty and he didn't do it anymore than other drivers, who are these TV guys that only saw Hamilton exceed the limits?

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F1nut wrote:
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Theory: Raikkonen overtook Hamilton in order to back Hamilton into Bottas, thereby compromising Bottas' lap and giving Vettel a shot at the front row, which worked ;)

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hummm, Ricardo and Kimi have the same Q3 lap times 1:33.577......

Does F1 have more decimals than show on the timing and scoring web-site?

First one to set the time is ahead.


Kimi went slower on his second attempt, set his 1:33.577 time on his first try and Ricardo did his 1:33.577 on his second lap of Q3, so how can your comment be valid?


kimi faster on 2nd run. what were u watching?


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Hamilton exceeded track limits on both his Q3 runs according to the TV guys. Will they have the guts to throw his laps out?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Zoue wrote:
F1nut wrote:
wolfticket wrote:
Theory: Raikkonen overtook Hamilton in order to back Hamilton into Bottas, thereby compromising Bottas' lap and giving Vettel a shot at the front row, which worked ;)

F1nut wrote:
hummm, Ricardo and Kimi have the same Q3 lap times 1:33.577......

Does F1 have more decimals than show on the timing and scoring web-site?

First one to set the time is ahead.


Kimi went slower on his second attempt, set his 1:33.577 time on his first try and Ricardo did his 1:33.577 on his second lap of Q3, so how can your comment be valid?

From SKY:

They actually set the same 1:33.577 time, but Ricciardo takes fourth as he set the time first.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/live-blog

That is what I thought I saw happen. Even if it wasn't my comment is valid because as far as I recall, them's the rules.

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Invade wrote:
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I keep saying that Hamilton is playing a not-insignificant factor in this title. Without him, Seb would have this title comfortably.

Both main protagonists are. If Vettel wasn't in the Ferrari, Lewis would probably have wrapped it up several races ago and people would probably be treating this much like 2016


Zoue, I'd like to ask. Does your estimation of both drivers go up (or down) at all in light of their performances this year?

I'd have to say no, not really. Both are superb drivers and both comfortably beat their team mates, as I'd expected them to do. I don't think I've seen any surprises, tbh


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Zoue wrote:
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I keep saying that Hamilton is playing a not-insignificant factor in this title. Without him, Seb would have this title comfortably.

Both main protagonists are. If Vettel wasn't in the Ferrari, Lewis would probably have wrapped it up several races ago and people would probably be treating this much like 2016


Not if Verstappen, Ricciardo or Alonso would be in the Ferrari. Then, it would even closer, for the Baku win alone, but probably also beyond that.


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Zoue wrote:
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Hamilton exceeded track limits on both his Q3 runs according to the TV guys. Will they have the guts to throw his laps out?

I saw pretty much every driver doing so

Fair play :thumbup:

Also just seen Hamilton's on board and he hardly exceeded any limit, he kept it on the track more than some of the other drivers.

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Zoue wrote:
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Theory: Raikkonen overtook Hamilton in order to back Hamilton into Bottas, thereby compromising Bottas' lap and giving Vettel a shot at the front row, which worked ;)

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hummm, Ricardo and Kimi have the same Q3 lap times 1:33.577......

Does F1 have more decimals than show on the timing and scoring web-site?

First one to set the time is ahead.


Kimi went slower on his second attempt, set his 1:33.577 time on his first try and Ricardo did his 1:33.577 on his second lap of Q3, so how can your comment be valid?

From SKY:

They actually set the same 1:33.577 time, but Ricciardo takes fourth as he set the time first.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/live-blog


I don't have access to Sky - but I watch on the F1 Live timing and scoring web-site and Kimi's second attempt in Q3 was not 1:33.577 - that happened on his first hot lap - Ricardo went 1:33.577 on his second hot lap try.....

If the first one to set "THAT" time gets the position, why is Ricardo in 4th and not Kimi?


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MasterRacer wrote:
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Hamilton exceeded track limits on both his Q3 runs according to the TV guys. Will they have the guts to throw his laps out?

I saw pretty much every driver doing so


Yep definitely others did, but Seb did not on his insane last run.

I would be surprised if he didn't.

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I keep saying that Hamilton is playing a not-insignificant factor in this title. Without him, Seb would have this title comfortably.

Both main protagonists are. If Vettel wasn't in the Ferrari, Lewis would probably have wrapped it up several races ago and people would probably be treating this much like 2016


Not if Verstappen, Ricciardo or Alonso would be in the Ferrari. Then, it would even closer, for the Baku win alone, but probably also beyond that.

It's possible, but I'm not so sure. There's no guarantee any of them would have won Australia, for example.


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Ah, what an anticlimax. Usual suspects at the front, all looks like fixed, tough, it isn't. Boring.

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