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Driver(s) of the day was / were:-
1. Lewis Hamilton 4%  4%  [ 4 ]
2. Valtteri Bottas 29%  29%  [ 27 ]
3. Sebastian Vettel 4%  4%  [ 4 ]
4. Kimi Raikkonen 4%  4%  [ 4 ]
5. Daniel Ricciardo 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
6. Max Verstappen 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
7. Sergio Perez 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
8. Esteban Ocon 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
9. Felipe Massa 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
10. Lance Stroll 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
11. Fernando Alonso 28%  28%  [ 26 ]
12. Stoffel Vandoorne 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
13. Pierre Gasly 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
14. Brandon Hartley 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
15. Romain Grosjean 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
16. Kevin Magnussen 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
17. Nico Hulkenberg 13%  13%  [ 12 ]
18. Carlos Sainz 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
19. Marcus Ericsson 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
20. Pascal Wehrlein 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 93
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:21 pm 
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mds wrote:
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The rules don't dictate on what lap a driver has to serve their penalty, they pit at their own convenience, the stewards applied the penalty as per the rules, it's the rules that need changing.


OK, in case of 5s and 10s penalty that is indeed true (had read the rules too fast).

However, they were still at liberty to impose a 10s stop-and-go or a drivethrough. For something as blatant as this, they could have certainly given him a drivethrough.

So still crappy stewarding as well. If you're going to wait 20 minutes, then at least make it so that it has an impact.

My point being that the rules should be written like that in the first place.


Like what? Stewards can choose from a few different penalties at their own discretion and so they had the power to undo what happened. They didn't, so I feel part of the blame is with them.

Took the words right out of my mouth. They must have seen that the 5s penalty would be ineffectual (and, if not, I'd have to ask why not!) so one could argue they haven't taken due care in exercising judgement as what they did was not appropriate.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:25 pm 
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tootsie323 wrote:
Do the stewards not have the option to simply demand that a driver concedes an illegally-gained position? It's a long time ago but I'm pretty sure that Alonso had to do this in Japan (2005?). It would require a pretty immediate decision but, in Sunday's race, I'm pretty sure that a decision could have been arrived at more-or-less immediately. As mentioned a number of times here, a poor example of stewarding.

I would say that's now been superceded by the 5 second penalty that they didn't have in the past.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:26 pm 
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mds wrote:
pokerman wrote:
mds wrote:
pokerman wrote:
The rules don't dictate on what lap a driver has to serve their penalty, they pit at their own convenience, the stewards applied the penalty as per the rules, it's the rules that need changing.


OK, in case of 5s and 10s penalty that is indeed true (had read the rules too fast).

However, they were still at liberty to impose a 10s stop-and-go or a drivethrough. For something as blatant as this, they could have certainly given him a drivethrough.

So still crappy stewarding as well. If you're going to wait 20 minutes, then at least make it so that it has an impact.

My point being that the rules should be written like that in the first place.


Like what? Stewards can choose from a few different penalties at their own discretion and so they had the power to undo what happened. They didn't, so I feel part of the blame is with them.

When was the last time that a driver had to give back a position?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:29 pm 
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In what way is that a relevant question? They have a drive-through penalty at their disposal, as well as a 10s stop-and-go, and they have to be served within 3 laps. Both do not force the driver to give back the position, but will have that effect (unless given so late in the race that even that doesn't matter anymore).

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