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Driver of the weekend: Abu Dhabi GP
Hamilton 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
Bottas 59%  59%  [ 27 ]
Vettel 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Raikkonen 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Ricciardo 7%  7%  [ 3 ]
Verstappen 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Massa 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Stroll 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Perez 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Ocon 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Hartley 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Gasly 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Hulkenberg 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Sainz 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Alonso 13%  13%  [ 6 ]
Vandoorne 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Magnussen 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Grosjean 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Ericsson 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Wehrlein 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 46
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Driver of The Weekend 2017 - Abu Dhabi

Cast your vote for the 2017 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix!


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- Voting is based on driver performance (not who has the prettiest girlfriend/best haircut)
- Voting is based on performance of the whole race weekend, so qualifying counts towards your assessment.
- You only get one vote
- The poll will start on either on the day of the GP (or Monday if I am unable to for some reason)
- The poll will run until Friday so that it will always end before the next GP
- The top three voted for drivers will earn points towards a championship table as follows:
- 1st: 5 points
- 2nd: 3 points
- 3rd: 1 point
- Ties will be decided by finishing position



Standings after Brazil
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   |  Driver      | Points |
1  |  Hamilton    |   56   |
2  |  Vettel      |   34   |
3  |  Verstappen  |   15   |
4  |  Ricciardo   |   13   |
5  |  Alonso      |   10   |
6  |  Bottas      |    9   |
7  |  Sainz       |    7   |
8  |  Stroll      |    5   |
9  |  Perez       |    3   |
10 |  Ocon        |    3   |
11 |  Hulkenberg  |    3   |
12 |  Vandoorne   |    3   |
13 |  Wehrlein    |    3   |
14 |  Giovinazzi  |    3   |
15 |  Raikkonen   |    1   |
16 |  Grosjean    |    1   |


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Absolutely has to be Bottas. Brilliant qualy lap to grab pole from Hamilton who had been faster all weekend, then absolutely granite in the race on top.

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Bottas. Honorouble mentions for Hulk, Vettel, Massa and Alonso.


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Bottas. His most complete performance over a weekend that we've seen this season.


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Bottas with an honorable mention to Alonso.

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Bottas with an honorable mention to Alonso.


Yeah, that is my thinking. Other drivers could have shown some racecraft, but not on the deplorable Yas Marina Circuit.


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Bottas is clearly going to win, so I voted for Alonso because I think he deserves second place.

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I understand 0 for Vettel, but 3 for Hamilton? 1 for Kimi?How?


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I understand 0 for Vettel, but 3 for Hamilton? 1 for Kimi?How?

Both of those baffle me. Both drivers were out-qualified by their teammates and beaten in the race. I'd love to hear a real justification for either one...

But I know I won't. Some people will just vote for their favorite driver every time, and they feel perfectly justified doing so.

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Exediron wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
I understand 0 for Vettel, but 3 for Hamilton? 1 for Kimi?How?

Both of those baffle me. Both drivers were out-qualified by their teammates and beaten in the race. I'd love to hear a real justification for either one...

But I know I won't. Some people will just vote for their favorite driver every time, and they feel perfectly justified doing so.


Really really baffling!


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Siao7 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
I understand 0 for Vettel, but 3 for Hamilton? 1 for Kimi?How?

Both of those baffle me. Both drivers were out-qualified by their teammates and beaten in the race. I'd love to hear a real justification for either one...

But I know I won't. Some people will just vote for their favorite driver every time, and they feel perfectly justified doing so.


Really really baffling!

It's definitely weird that Hamilton has only one more vote than Alonso, despite the fact that the latter trounced his team mate in both qualifying and the race and the former, er, didn't. Vandoorne was faster than his team mate for exactly three laps (excluding pit stops) in the entire race and Alonso posted his fastest lap which was fully two seconds quicker than Vandoorne's and managed to overtake a car that should have been quicker than him. I'm guessing some who vote don't actually watch the race?


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Siao7 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
I understand 0 for Vettel, but 3 for Hamilton? 1 for Kimi?How?

Both of those baffle me. Both drivers were out-qualified by their teammates and beaten in the race. I'd love to hear a real justification for either one...

But I know I won't. Some people will just vote for their favorite driver every time, and they feel perfectly justified doing so.


Really really baffling!

People do it to get these responses. Messing with online polls is what they teach on the first day of Internet Trolling 101 at the Troll Academy

At this moment in time Kevin Magnussen has a vote

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mcdo wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
I understand 0 for Vettel, but 3 for Hamilton? 1 for Kimi?How?

Both of those baffle me. Both drivers were out-qualified by their teammates and beaten in the race. I'd love to hear a real justification for either one...

But I know I won't. Some people will just vote for their favorite driver every time, and they feel perfectly justified doing so.


Really really baffling!

People do it to get these responses. Messing with online poles is what they teach on the first day of Internet Trolling 101 at the Troll Academy

At this moment in time Kevin Magnussen has a vote


I'm just thankful for the Vettel 0 and Verstappen 0. Shows that there is hope. So far at least...


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Zoue wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
I understand 0 for Vettel, but 3 for Hamilton? 1 for Kimi?How?

Both of those baffle me. Both drivers were out-qualified by their teammates and beaten in the race. I'd love to hear a real justification for either one...

But I know I won't. Some people will just vote for their favorite driver every time, and they feel perfectly justified doing so.


Really really baffling!

It's definitely weird that Hamilton has only one more vote than Alonso, despite the fact that the latter trounced his team mate in both qualifying and the race and the former, er, didn't. Vandoorne was faster than his team mate for exactly three laps (excluding pit stops) in the entire race and Alonso posted his fastest lap which was fully two seconds quicker than Vandoorne's and managed to overtake a car that should have been quicker than him. I'm guessing some who vote don't actually watch the race?

I didn't watch the race, just the highlights. Still, I couldn't bring myself to vote for the Ferrari (my favorite team) drivers, as after a promising FP1 it felt like they just went home. There must be some common sense


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Siao7 wrote:

I'm just thankful for the Vettel 0 and Verstappen 0. Shows that there is hope. So far at least...


Why Vettel? Did what he could with the car he had, why would the odd vote be so terrible then?

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Siao7 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
I understand 0 for Vettel, but 3 for Hamilton? 1 for Kimi?How?

Both of those baffle me. Both drivers were out-qualified by their teammates and beaten in the race. I'd love to hear a real justification for either one...

But I know I won't. Some people will just vote for their favorite driver every time, and they feel perfectly justified doing so.


Really really baffling!


Ricciardo has 2 votes. People will still vote for Hamilton like some people will never vote for him, no real surprise really.

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mds wrote:
Siao7 wrote:

I'm just thankful for the Vettel 0 and Verstappen 0. Shows that there is hope. So far at least...


Why Vettel? Did what he could with the car he had, why would the odd vote be so terrible then?


Driver of the weekend though?

I felt that they didn't do a good enough job. Maybe it felt like that because of the pre-race hype about Ferrari taking the fight to the Mercs...


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Siao7 wrote:

I'm just thankful for the Vettel 0 and Verstappen 0. Shows that there is hope. So far at least...


Why Vettel? Did what he could with the car he had, why would the odd vote be so terrible then?


Driver of the weekend though?


As a driver, did he do an objectively worse job than Bottas?

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mds wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
mds wrote:
Siao7 wrote:

I'm just thankful for the Vettel 0 and Verstappen 0. Shows that there is hope. So far at least...


Why Vettel? Did what he could with the car he had, why would the odd vote be so terrible then?


Driver of the weekend though?


As a driver, did he do an objectively worse job than Bottas?


I wouldn't say so. But didn't shine either, while Bottas kept his normally faster team mate behind and did a Grand Chelem.


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Siao7 wrote:
mds wrote:
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mds wrote:
Siao7 wrote:

I'm just thankful for the Vettel 0 and Verstappen 0. Shows that there is hope. So far at least...


Why Vettel? Did what he could with the car he had, why would the odd vote be so terrible then?


Driver of the weekend though?


As a driver, did he do an objectively worse job than Bottas?


I wouldn't say so. But didn't shine either, while Bottas kept his normally faster team mate behind and did a Grand Chelem.

Not meaning to get into the broader argument, but Lewis led for a few laps during the pit stop window, so no Grand Chelem!


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I voted Massa, it was the last time so why not.

Who voted for K-Mag? Hahahahahahahahahaha.

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Zoue wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
mds wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
mds wrote:

Why Vettel? Did what he could with the car he had, why would the odd vote be so terrible then?


Driver of the weekend though?


As a driver, did he do an objectively worse job than Bottas?


I wouldn't say so. But didn't shine either, while Bottas kept his normally faster team mate behind and did a Grand Chelem.

Not meaning to get into the broader argument, but Lewis led for a few laps during the pit stop window, so no Grand Chelem!

Oh, as I said I didn't watch the whole race. I thought Bottas did it, someone mentioned so in another thread here. I stand corrected Zoue, thank you


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Siao7 wrote:
Zoue wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
mds wrote:
Siao7 wrote:

Driver of the weekend though?


As a driver, did he do an objectively worse job than Bottas?


I wouldn't say so. But didn't shine either, while Bottas kept his normally faster team mate behind and did a Grand Chelem.

Not meaning to get into the broader argument, but Lewis led for a few laps during the pit stop window, so no Grand Chelem!

Oh, as I said I didn't watch the whole race. I thought Bottas did it, someone mentioned so in another thread here. I stand corrected Zoue, thank you

No worries. From what I hear Ben Edwards got it wrong and claimed the Grand Chelem for Bottas, which is what led to others assuming it, too.


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Siao7 wrote:
mds wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
mds wrote:
Siao7 wrote:

I'm just thankful for the Vettel 0 and Verstappen 0. Shows that there is hope. So far at least...


Why Vettel? Did what he could with the car he had, why would the odd vote be so terrible then?


Driver of the weekend though?


As a driver, did he do an objectively worse job than Bottas?


I wouldn't say so.


Which is why the odd vote shouldn't be that weird at all.

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But didn't shine either, while Bottas kept his normally faster team mate behind and did a Grand Chelem.


Which is why Bottas should be winning by a landslide. Which he is ;)

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mds wrote:
Siao7 wrote:

I'm just thankful for the Vettel 0 and Verstappen 0. Shows that there is hope. So far at least...


Why Vettel? Did what he could with the car he had, why would the odd vote be so terrible then?

Yes a vote for Vettel would not be terrible.

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Yes a vote for Vettel would not be terrible.

Yeah, but he hasn't got one, and Kimi does... :lol: x(

I wouldn't vote for Vettel because he didn't do anything impressive. He might have driven a great race within the limits of his car - but there's no way to know. In the end, he qualified and finished precisely where I expected, whereas Bottas overachieved. Alonso overtook what I consider to be a faster car on track and kept him behind, which is also impressive.

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Yes a vote for Vettel would not be terrible.

Yeah, but he hasn't got one, and Kimi does... :lol: x(

I wouldn't vote for Vettel because he didn't do anything impressive. He might have driven a great race within the limits of his car - but there's no way to know. In the end, he qualified and finished precisely where I expected, whereas Bottas overachieved. Alonso overtook what I consider to be a faster car on track and kept him behind, which is also impressive.

In this respect Vettel is in the same boat as Hamilton in that beating their teammates is classed as nothing special.

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I wouldn't vote for Vettel because he didn't do anything impressive. He might have driven a great race within the limits of his car - but there's no way to know. In the end, he qualified and finished precisely where I expected, whereas Bottas overachieved. Alonso overtook what I consider to be a faster car on track and kept him behind, which is also impressive.

In this respect Vettel is in the same boat as Hamilton in that beating their teammates is classed as nothing special.

I wouldn't vote for any driver on the basis solely of beating a teammate they usually beat. You don't see me voting for Alonso every time he beats Vandoorne - it's what he's expected to do. If Vandoorne beat Alonso, that would be another matter.

Basically, I don't think it's impressive to produce your usual form. I think Driver of the Weekend should be about who put together the best performance and delivered something special, and Vettel can beat Kimi without doing that (as can Hamilton to Bottas, although that one is typically closer).

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Hat trick for Bottas so no competition there!

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Exediron wrote:
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I wouldn't vote for Vettel because he didn't do anything impressive. He might have driven a great race within the limits of his car - but there's no way to know. In the end, he qualified and finished precisely where I expected, whereas Bottas overachieved. Alonso overtook what I consider to be a faster car on track and kept him behind, which is also impressive.

In this respect Vettel is in the same boat as Hamilton in that beating their teammates is classed as nothing special.

I wouldn't vote for any driver on the basis solely of beating a teammate they usually beat. You don't see me voting for Alonso every time he beats Vandoorne - it's what he's expected to do. If Vandoorne beat Alonso, that would be another matter.

Basically, I don't think it's impressive to produce your usual form. I think Driver of the Weekend should be about who put together the best performance and delivered something special, and Vettel can beat Kimi without doing that (as can Hamilton to Bottas, although that one is typically closer).

So that's a bias to the underdogs, with that system you could have the weaker drivers topping the table.

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Basically, I don't think it's impressive to produce your usual form. I think Driver of the Weekend should be about who put together the best performance and delivered something special, and Vettel can beat Kimi without doing that (as can Hamilton to Bottas, although that one is typically closer).

So that's a bias to the underdogs, with that system you could have the weaker drivers topping the table.

You could, but the truth is that they rarely impress. However, when they do (such as Stroll in Baku) why not have them top the table? It's driver of the weekend, not just 'best driver'. If you were just voting for who you think is the best, doing it on a race-by-race basis would be pretty pointless.

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Exediron wrote:
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Basically, I don't think it's impressive to produce your usual form. I think Driver of the Weekend should be about who put together the best performance and delivered something special, and Vettel can beat Kimi without doing that (as can Hamilton to Bottas, although that one is typically closer).

So that's a bias to the underdogs, with that system you could have the weaker drivers topping the table.

You could, but the truth is that they rarely impress. However, when they do (such as Stroll in Baku) why not have them top the table? It's driver of the weekend, not just 'best driver'. If you were just voting for who you think is the best, doing it on a race-by-race basis would be pretty pointless.

However I'm referring to what you said, that you don't vote for the drivers you expect to be better.

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pokerman wrote:
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Basically, I don't think it's impressive to produce your usual form. I think Driver of the Weekend should be about who put together the best performance and delivered something special, and Vettel can beat Kimi without doing that (as can Hamilton to Bottas, although that one is typically closer).

So that's a bias to the underdogs, with that system you could have the weaker drivers topping the table.

You could, but the truth is that they rarely impress. However, when they do (such as Stroll in Baku) why not have them top the table? It's driver of the weekend, not just 'best driver'. If you were just voting for who you think is the best, doing it on a race-by-race basis would be pretty pointless.

However I'm referring to what you said, that you don't vote for the drivers you expect to be better.

I don't if all they do is beat their weaker teammate, no. They haven't done anything exceptional: why should I vote for them?

For example, I wouldn't have voted for Ricciardo if he beat Max (which he was almost certainly going to) because I consider the two of them close to equal. But if he had hung on and beaten one of the Ferraris, that would put him in consideration for me. It's not about being a good driver, it's about doing something that stands out or is impressive. I believe Alonso is the best driver in the field: I still believe it every single race. But I only vote for him if he did something outstanding, which driving faster than his teammate is not. Beating a faster car, pulling off a particularly good move, beating his teammate by an unusually dominant margin, etc. - all of those might put him in consideration.

Vettel beat Kimi comfortably, but I honestly don't find that impressive all on its own, and he didn't do anything else. Do you really think it's impressive if Vettel is faster than Raikkonen in the race? When was the last time he wasn't?

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Exediron wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Exediron wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Basically, I don't think it's impressive to produce your usual form. I think Driver of the Weekend should be about who put together the best performance and delivered something special, and Vettel can beat Kimi without doing that (as can Hamilton to Bottas, although that one is typically closer).

So that's a bias to the underdogs, with that system you could have the weaker drivers topping the table.

You could, but the truth is that they rarely impress. However, when they do (such as Stroll in Baku) why not have them top the table? It's driver of the weekend, not just 'best driver'. If you were just voting for who you think is the best, doing it on a race-by-race basis would be pretty pointless.

However I'm referring to what you said, that you don't vote for the drivers you expect to be better.

I don't if all they do is beat their weaker teammate, no. They haven't done anything exceptional: why should I vote for them?

For example, I wouldn't have voted for Ricciardo if he beat Max (which he was almost certainly going to) because I consider the two of them close to equal. But if he had hung on and beaten one of the Ferraris, that would put him in consideration for me. It's not about being a good driver, it's about doing something that stands out or is impressive. I believe Alonso is the best driver in the field: I still believe it every single race. But I only vote for him if he did something outstanding, which driving faster than his teammate is not. Beating a faster car, pulling off a particularly good move, beating his teammate by an unusually dominant margin, etc. - all of those might put him in consideration.

Vettel beat Kimi comfortably, but I honestly don't find that impressive all on its own, and he didn't do anything else. Do you really think it's impressive if Vettel is faster than Raikkonen in the race? When was the last time he wasn't?
Makes sense. For example, Hamilton has generally dominated Bottas over the season - as this has become the perceived norm, Hamilton will not necessarily be voted DotW simply for beating Bottas. In this race, however, Bottas was dominant - the exception to the norm. By definition, that makes his weekend exceptional.

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