pokerman wrote:
Blake wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Blake wrote:
Of course they are, poker. They are paying him to do a job... it is that simple. Your employer does the same thing. So how is their using him any different???
How do you know that Ferrari are paying him and Kvyat is not through his sponsors paying himself like Guittirez did?
I don't, poker, but then, I was just responding to your own post suggesting that he (Kvyat) is paying for the privilege of his job. You put the pay issue out there, so you prove that he is paying for the job/privilege.
Incredibly, you make a totally unsubstantiated comment and then try to make others prove that you are wrong when they question you on it. Pokerman, you prove that he is paying for his job, and I will gladly apologize here on the forum for doubting you. Until then, I will just assume that it is nothing of any consequence.

You yourself said that Ferrari are paying Kvyat and then you say you don't know if they're paying him or not, I never actually said that Kvyat was paying for the privilege as I obviously don't know but it's common knowledge that in similar circumstances Gutierrez paid to be the reserve driver and Kvyat himself brought sponsors to STR.
I feel the over riding feeling about Kvyat's appointment is that there is no race seat for him in the pipeline and for me he may be paying for the position or as Craig Scarborough suggested he brings with him information from Red Bull.
Holy cow, pokerman... Anyone who has read our exchanges can see that I have been responding to your posts. You are the one who brought up the question suggesting that Kvyat might be paying for the privilege of his job, and in responding that I said he was being paid. Then I admitted that I did not know that for sure, but challenged YOU to support your claim since you initiated the topic, and again, as you do so often, you try to twist it around and avoid backing up your own claim. You also suggested that he was being "used" as though Ferrari were doing something shifty with him, and I pointed out that every employee is being "used", but not necessarily is it underhanded. Certainly, Ferrari is not unique in signing drivers or engineers from other companies, which I also pointed out to you earlier, as shown above.
pokerman wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
The cynic in me says that like Gutierrez before him he is paying for that privilege, so I wouldn't be getting any hopes up that this is a prelude to a Ferrari seat.
Craig Scarborough wrote on Twitter that this is the usual way for Ferrari, to get information on their competitors (Red Bull in this case). Can’t say I’ve ever noticed it before but Vergne got a similar if not the same role a few years ago so maybe there’s some merit to that.
That's interesting, anyway either way they are simple using him.
Now you finally address the question by trying to defend your "thoughts" by referencing Guitierrez and STR .... seriously? You don't see the difference between STR's situation and Ferrari? Do you really think that Ferrari can't afford to pay their development drivers????
All to often, trying to discuss with you is like batting one's head against a wall.
I think I will try to follow Saio7's wise example, and just say ciao. It isn't worth it.