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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:43 pm 
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Exediron wrote:
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I don't like it TBH. There 2017 livery was gorgeous.

Take the 2017 livery, replace the blue with Alfa red, and you have a contender for best looking car of the year:

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Contender? The others wouldn't stand a chance! That is beautiful... I admit I liked the 2017 livery best, blue and white, just as the Toyotas used to be until a few years ago. But red and white works brilliantly too. Thanks for posting that Exediron, I somehow missed that.

It just occurred to me that if you have the Halo, why do you still put cameras on top of the intake and alongside it?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:12 pm 
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Fiki wrote:
Exediron wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
I don't like it TBH. There 2017 livery was gorgeous.

Take the 2017 livery, replace the blue with Alfa red, and you have a contender for best looking car of the year:

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Contender? The others wouldn't stand a chance! That is beautiful... I admit I liked the 2017 livery best, blue and white, just as the Toyotas used to be until a few years ago. But red and white works brilliantly too. Thanks for posting that Exediron, I somehow missed that.

It just occurred to me that if you have the Halo, why do you still put cameras on top of the intake and alongside it?

My guess is that in typical F1 fashion they haven't considered that the Halo will ruin the current on-board camera angles. After the first few races and everyone complains they will come up with a new one.

Could be wrong but I have a feeling this will be another reactionary change to an issue most people could see coming a mile off.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:41 pm 
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If only Sauber had gone with a touch more red I think we'd be looking at the best grid line up livery wise ever. All really distinctive (assuming FI are still pink) and hard to mix up from a distance or a glance except the Sauber and Williams front on.

Arrghh, so close. A red and white nose and we'd be in business. At least with Saubers crazy bargeboards it might be a bit easier.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:00 am 
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I am surprised that all the talk has been about livery and so little talk about actual car.

I didnt get to see the footage from the testing until now, and that car has some seriously unique features on it. THe air intake at the top is split, though not the first car to have such concept. its rather unique the way the load bearing T structure and airbox around it is designed.

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The 3d renders they released didnt actually show how complex the split sidepod intake area is. It looks like they and Ferrari are the 2 teams that will be running in concept this year.
This is proper completely newly imagined 2018 spec car and lot more complex than I initially imagined.

Its sad that due to its recent meh past and lack of buzz around the team they get so little coverage.

With latest spec Ferrari Engine I wont be surprised if this car surprises in 2018. They have downplayed their own ambitions during media interviews this year, but I have a feeling the car has more potential than many realise.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:22 pm 
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funkymonkey wrote:
I am surprised that all the talk has been about livery and so little talk about actual car.

I didnt get to see the footage from the testing until now, and that car has some seriously unique features on it. THe air intake at the top is split, though not the first car to have such concept. its rather unique the way the load bearing T structure and airbox around it is designed.

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The 3d renders they released didnt actually show how complex the split sidepod intake area is. It looks like they and Ferrari are the 2 teams that will be running in concept this year.
This is proper completely newly imagined 2018 spec car and lot more complex than I initially imagined.

Its sad that due to its recent meh past and lack of buzz around the team they get so little coverage.

With latest spec Ferrari Engine I wont be surprised if this car surprises in 2018. They have downplayed their own ambitions during media interviews this year, but I have a feeling the car has more potential than many realise.


Racingclothesline.com found the overall car's design of Sauber the most impressive. They even found the car somewhat unique with the split airbox & certain other features. They also found Sauber's nose the most beautiful. I hope this car gives Leclerc a strong base to perform.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:11 pm 
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I expect Sauber to have made some progress this year. I certainly think they will be able to grab some points. Their chassis is looking interesting. Their new sponsors money should help and the fact that they don't have year old engine should be a huge bonus. I think it is likely they will be the most competitive they have been since the hybrid era. While many criticize Ericsson, I think he will be able to show this year that he has what it takes to deserve to be in F1. I think his experience with Sauber should be a benefit to the team


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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
I expect Sauber to have made some progress this year. I certainly think they will be able to grab some points. Their chassis is looking interesting. Their new sponsors money should help and the fact that they don't have year old engine should be a huge bonus. I think it is likely they will be the most competitive they have been since the hybrid era. While many criticize Ericsson, I think he will be able to show this year that he has what it takes to deserve to be in F1. I think his experience with Sauber should be a benefit to the team


Just out of interest, as you always talk about Ericsson, who do you actually think he is better than? I mean in F1. I don't think many people think he is out of his depth but I'm not sure there are any drivers who managed a full season last year that you could rate below Ericsson?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:05 pm 
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mikeyg123 wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
I expect Sauber to have made some progress this year. I certainly think they will be able to grab some points. Their chassis is looking interesting. Their new sponsors money should help and the fact that they don't have year old engine should be a huge bonus. I think it is likely they will be the most competitive they have been since the hybrid era. While many criticize Ericsson, I think he will be able to show this year that he has what it takes to deserve to be in F1. I think his experience with Sauber should be a benefit to the team


Just out of interest, as you always talk about Ericsson, who do you actually think he is better than? I mean in F1. I don't think many people think he is out of his depth but I'm not sure there are any drivers who managed a full season last year that you could rate below Ericsson?


I've said this before, that I don't think there are many drivers on the grid that I don't think deserve to be there. But I don't think Stroll should have come last year. In my view, Ericsson had more performances that were better than Stroll last year. But then I guess he did make more mistakes. Ericsson looked better than Nasr overall when they were team mates too. Although I would rate him right near the bottom, I think he is about the lowest driver who to me deserves another chance. But drivers like Wehrlein and others who have missed out should also be here.

This may seem harsh, but I don't think Magnussen is really looking much better than Ericsson. And Grosjean for that matter is very up and down too. I go on about Ericsson because people don't notice when he performs well just because he isn't in the points when he does well. I think he will get the chance to show he is at least decent next year. He has enough solid performances to get decent points in a better car even if he is inconsistent. He clearly isn't great compared to most of the rest, but I think he's good enough and his money and experience with Sauber is a bonus. On F1 Fanatic, he was rated #15 out of 22 drivers in 2016 which considering the amount of criticism he got, I don't think was that bad. The next year, there were fewer drivers that were worse than him on the grid, making him seem worse than he really was. I think he will have managed points in Baku if the team orders had gone as they said they would and Mexico if his engine didn't blow up.


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