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Renault said outright that all three Renault teams will have their engines turned down until week two

They did? Source? I'd be glad if this was the case

Let me find it - I'm sure I remember reading that...

Here it is: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rena ... s-1008639/

"... But as I say, when we will be on track, we will need to sign off a number of things and this is particularly the plan for T9 [test one] – to make sure that there is no disconnect between track and dyno.

So don’t look at the laptime in T9 because everything will be massively tuned down for obvious reasons, but T10 [test two] we want to run in a more representative mode.”


'Massively tuned down' being Abiteboul's own words, I think we can safely ignore any speed trap data from Renault at test one.


That'd be awesome. Can't wait for the second test!


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The line-up for today i.e. the 1st day of the 2nd test:
Mercedes – Bottas/Hamilton
Ferrari – Vettel
Red Bull – Verstappen
Force India – Perez
Williams – Sirotkin/Stroll
Renault – Hulkenberg/Sainz
Toro Rosso – Gasly
Haas – Magnussen
McLaren – Vandoorne
Sauber – Ericsson

This test will be more representative & given a little clearer picture regarding the pecking order!

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The line-up for today i.e. the 1st day of the 2nd test:
Mercedes – Bottas/Hamilton
Ferrari – Vettel
Red Bull – Verstappen
Force India – Perez
Williams – Sirotkin/Stroll
Renault – Hulkenberg/Sainz
Toro Rosso – Gasly
Haas – Magnussen
McLaren – Vandoorne
Sauber – Ericsson

This test will be more representative & given a little clearer picture regarding the pecking order!

I'm gonna lay down a hot take prediction for the order at the end of the day:

Ferrari
Mercedes
Red Bull
McLaren
Renault
Williams
Toro Rosso
Force India
Haas
Sauber

There. You heard it here first.

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Link for following today's testing:
https://www.f1today.net/en/live/f1/236562/follow-live-the-first-day-of-the-second-test-in-2018

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Mercedes already pumping in the laps.

Bottas - 22
Verstappen - 12

Everyone else in single figures.


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Vandoorne has stopped on the start/finish straight.


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Vandoorne has stopped on the start/finish straight.


Here we go again!

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Vandoorne has stopped on the start/finish straight.


Here we go again!


McLaren's reason - Power shutdown!

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Vandoorne has stopped on the start/finish straight.


Here we go again!


McLaren's reason - Power shutdown!


Sounds promising.... I'm really starting to lose faith in McLaren now

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BeOnEdge wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
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Vandoorne has stopped on the start/finish straight.


Here we go again!


McLaren's reason - Power shutdown!


Sounds promising.... I'm really starting to lose faith in McLaren now

Didn't Red Bull complete fewer laps than McLaren last week? Renault only did 13 more! Why the doom and gloom for McLaren in particular?

And I'm not sure how a power shutdown is the team's fault? Wouldn't that be the PU supplier?


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Zoue wrote:
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Vandoorne has stopped on the start/finish straight.


Here we go again!


McLaren's reason - Power shutdown!


Sounds promising.... I'm really starting to lose faith in McLaren now

Didn't Red Bull complete fewer laps than McLaren last week? Renault only did 13 more! Why the doom and gloom for McLaren in particular?

And I'm not sure how a power shutdown is the team's fault? Wouldn't that be the PU supplier?


Battery issue. (Renault or third party)

Everyone but Mercedes and to a lesser extent Ferrari seem to have issues ranging from annoying and small to worrying and big but McLaren do like having their fair share.

But yeah, no need for panic yet.

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that honda engine just keeps going and going.

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Apparently McLaren have cut holes into the engine cover where it joins to the shark fin for more cooling. Still burn marks on the rear bodywork.

"It's only testing" and all that but with Toro Rosso racking up the miles this is pretty embarrassing for McLaren.


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I just copied the following from the Autosport live coverage:

Bottas moves onto lap 76 for Mercedes... If you want to put this into perspective, the Finn's current tally is easily enough to drive from the Barcelona circuit to the airport and back four times, with mileage to spare. McLaren wouldn't even get halfway there.

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McLaren's issues are not really abnormal for winter testing, the problem is that there are only two tests and half of the first test has gone lost to the weather (the other half not being terribly representative either). Normally you would have this in the first week, think out a solution and get up to decent running in the second test.

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Apparently Mclared have cut holes into the engine cover where it joins to the shark fin for more cooling. Still burn marks on the rear bodywork.

"It's only testing" and all that but with Toro Rosso racking up the miles this is pretty embarrassing for McLaren.


Its 15degrees air temperature. Mclaren shambles


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Apparently it's the battery that is causing the problem, they hope to do some laps before lunch.


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hopefully, they will solve it quickly.

The car doesn't look that bad really and the engine is performing decently.

I am curious if slowly we are going back to the days when the engine was not really a major factor unless you were getting it totally wrong.


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Regarding McLaren's plight,here is Gary Anderson's view on the issue:

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And this is from F1Today commentary:

'SAME BURN MARKS ON THE MCLAREN?
The McLaren MCL33 seems to have had the same black burn marks on the engine cover in one of their earlier runs today as they had last week. Last week they said it was because of a broken exhaust clip, but now the burn marks have returned. Are there bigger problems at McLaren? The British outfit has battery issues at the moment.'

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Regarding McLaren's plight,here is Gary Anderson's view on the issue:

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So few years ago when McLaren started "size zero" I think they meant "reliability zero"
They seemed to have really nailed down the design philosophy.


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McLaren are in danger of being seriously exposed this year. They've been coasting by, giving Honda all of the blame these last three years but what happens now that they have no more excuses? I wouldn't be shocked to find out that the reliability issues these last few years weren't all about the engines themselves. Perhaps the packaging was equally to blame...

One thing is for sure, seeing the back of the STR is not what Alonso wants to experience this year but it's looking like it might actually be a thing.


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Top3 teams lap count and time looks very competitive lol. I don't know why but instead of Mclaren STR are doing good job in attracting sponsors. They have more money with Honda partnership and obviously save on 6 engine cost too. I am looking forward how much they can progress in these 3yrs

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UnlikeUday wrote:
And this is from F1Today commentary:

'SAME BURN MARKS ON THE MCLAREN?
The McLaren MCL33 seems to have had the same black burn marks on the engine cover in one of their earlier runs today as they had last week. Last week they said it was because of a broken exhaust clip, but now the burn marks have returned. Are there bigger problems at McLaren? The British outfit has battery issues at the moment.'


It's just the same engine cover from the 1st test.

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If things continue at their going rate, the most exciting race in F1 will be whether McLaren or Williams shut down first.

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And this is from F1Today commentary:

'SAME BURN MARKS ON THE MCLAREN?
The McLaren MCL33 seems to have had the same black burn marks on the engine cover in one of their earlier runs today as they had last week. Last week they said it was because of a broken exhaust clip, but now the burn marks have returned. Are there bigger problems at McLaren? The British outfit has battery issues at the moment.'


It's just the same engine cover from the 1st test.

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Another red flag....

No prizes for who caused this one.

Vandoorne, turn 3

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Another red flag....

No prizes for who caused this one.

Vandoorne, turn 3


Is there a possibility that 1 or 2 parts under the cover are still from Honda which they forgot to replace with the Renault's?

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So 3 years of constant bad press and hundreds of millions of £s wasted and it turns out he Honda engine wasn't the problem after all


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So 3 years of constant bad press and hundreds of millions of £s wasted and it turns out he Honda engine wasn't the problem after all


I thought I'd read (from non-McLaren sources) that their chassis was one of the best on the grid, at least in 2016. The car was very slow in every speed trap every year from 2015-17 so it can't just be McLaren, but since they suck so bad now it clearly wasn't just Honda.

Whoever designed the MCL33 will be a free agent along with Zak and Eric in short order.

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So 3 years of constant bad press and hundreds of millions of £s wasted and it turns out he Honda engine wasn't the problem after all

only if you haven't actually been paying attention for the last three years. However good the Honda engine may be now - and the jury is still out on that - it would be crazy to deny that it wasn't exceptionally poor these last three years


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Look for Alonso to make it into Q2 at Australia using Hypersofts...

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And this is from F1Today commentary:

'SAME BURN MARKS ON THE MCLAREN?
The McLaren MCL33 seems to have had the same black burn marks on the engine cover in one of their earlier runs today as they had last week. Last week they said it was because of a broken exhaust clip, but now the burn marks have returned. Are there bigger problems at McLaren? The British outfit has battery issues at the moment.'


It's just the same engine cover from the 1st test.

:lol:


It's actually true. This morning before it had done a lap.

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So 3 years of constant bad press and hundreds of millions of £s wasted and it turns out he Honda engine wasn't the problem after all


That doesn't make much sense now does it? First of all, we don't even know the actual source of the problem. Secondly, even if they're to blame right now, doesn't mean they were equally in the past. Third, it's testing, this happens. Fourth, we shouldn't jump to conclusions after all of, what, 3 days of testing? There's an entire season ahead of us.

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Another red flag....

No prizes for who caused this one.

Vandoorne, turn 3
e 2013

Is there a possibility that 1 or 2 parts under the cover are still from Honda which they forgot to replace with the Renault's?



Lol

No but seriously. Does mclaren remember how to build a competitive car anymore? You can argue they havent done so since 2012 and even that car was far from being bullet proof. Man this is a defining year for them. They have to get it together soon.


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Lotus49 wrote:
Zoue wrote:
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And this is from F1Today commentary:

'SAME BURN MARKS ON THE MCLAREN?
The McLaren MCL33 seems to have had the same black burn marks on the engine cover in one of their earlier runs today as they had last week. Last week they said it was because of a broken exhaust clip, but now the burn marks have returned. Are there bigger problems at McLaren? The British outfit has battery issues at the moment.'


It's just the same engine cover from the 1st test.

:lol:


It's actually true. This morning before it had done a lap.

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I was laughing at the fact a professional reporting team had failed to miss the blindingly obvious! Creating a story out of nothing


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Now, while McLaren is sucking up all the attention, does anyone know what's happening over at STR? They haven't run a single lap since lunch break either.

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You'd hope it's just some packaging issues with the new unit, I read about a heat pocket but I'm not sure as they did 150+ laps on Thursday. Seems a battery issue today.

Going more aggressive rather than giving it plenty of room and cooling while you bed yourself in with it can always blow up in your face but hopefully it's nothing serious that can't be sorted for Melbourne.

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Another red flag....

No prizes for who caused this one.

Vandoorne, turn 3
e 2013

Is there a possibility that 1 or 2 parts under the cover are still from Honda which they forgot to replace with the Renault's?



Lol

No but seriously. Does mclaren remember how to build a competitive car anymore? You can argue they havent done so since 2012 and even that car was far from being bullet proof. Man this is a defining year for them. They have to get it together soon.


Rewind to 2014 winter testing, RBR barely got laps on the board, emerge as Mercs closest contenders and by a huge distance the best Renault team.

This is not ideal, of course. But let's wait before judging shall we?

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