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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:12 pm 
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You're actually making a blanket statement in actually transferring relative car performances over to relative driver performances, when have ever Bottas or Kimi got anywhere near to their teammates in the race when they got absolutely toasted in qualifying?

No, I'm not. I'm pointing out the absurdity of taking qualifying gaps and applying them to the race. You can't pick and choose which ones to take to prove a point. Even then, Ricciardo was actually faster than Verstappen in qualifying, yet finished 8 seconds behind him. It's just nonsense guesswork.

The only evidence we have is that the Mercedes was quicker. Anything else is just speculation

You actually have no evidence that the Mercedes was quicker in the race than Vettel's Ferrari.

I think you're getting a bit desperate now. Hamilton was significantly faster in qualifying and there's no evidence that Ferrari closed the gap in the races. Trying to paint the Mercedes as some kind of underdog is hilarious

The Mercedes that was a second quicker than Red Bull in qualifying but then couldn't pull away from it in the race, Vettel was half a second quicker than Verstappen in qualifying but wouldn't have been able to keep up with Verstappen in the race?

you don't know. That's the point. The Red Bulls only just pipped Kimi in qualifying, too, but they were much faster in the race. Why do you assume that the deciding factor must be the Mercedes? there's nothing to support that


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:14 pm 
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No, using the only evidence we have available. Hamilton was much faster in qualifying than either Vettel or Kimi. Vettel didn't race, beyond a few laps, and Hamilton pulled away from Kimi. So in what universe can we conclude from that that there's no evidence the Mercedes was faster?

Yes the Mercedes was faster than Kimi.

It was also faster than Vettel in the only time we could make any comparison. You're just getting silly now

Only in qualifying, Hamilton was about 1.5s quicker than Vettel in Baku qualifying, how did the race pan out?

Was this not a season of the Mercedes being quicker in qualifying than the race?

Now you're resorting to a different race entirely? What next?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:03 pm 
If its a 1 stopper and you are on pole then its advantage you. Although, Vettel got such a good initial launch in Japan that if he had all his cylinders he may have taken the lead.

The Mercedes often gave up about 0.3-0.6 from Saturday to Sunday. But I would still put Japan as Mercedes track although it could have panned out similar to how Australia did, the feeling was Ferrari may have the edge in race pace based on the Friday running.


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