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ESPN sucked the big weenie this weekend.

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To be fair, I was not as disappointed in the actual race calling as I feared I might be, though I was surprised at some of the less informed comments that they made, I thought they were experts! The pre-race was very pro-Lewis and anti-Ferrari as I had expected and if there is a repeat of such baloney, I won't bother watching it in the future. Yes, they may be UK based, but now they are an international broadcasting entity and need to be more balanced than if all they are doing is broadcasting the home base.

Hate to brake it to you Blake but what you saw is what you'll get race in race out, season in season out.

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Oh, that makes my day. Thanks, Cov!

Although it saves from wasting time watching their baloney... extra sleep time!

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Oh, that makes my day. Thanks, Cov!

Although it saves from wasting time watching their baloney... extra sleep time!

For me it's still better than not watching at all ;)
Actually having Rosberg as a pundit was a very good move.

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Blake wrote:
Oh, that makes my day. Thanks, Cov!

Although it saves from wasting time watching their baloney... extra sleep time!

For me it's still better than not watching at all ;)
Actually having Rosberg as a pundit was a very good move.

On the ESPN feed we saw Rosberg all of once, on the grid with MB. If he showed up later, that would be after our coverage got lopped off in favor of college sports... x(

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Terrible coverage so pro British teams its scary. If we want biased announcers I'd rather see Haas backed announcers as its being shown in the US.

Rather go to Italy and watch it there at least you know your getting passion and excitement. Brundle is a wet noodle with a stiff upper lip. Boring

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Terrible coverage so pro British teams its scary. If we want biased announcers I'd rather see Haas backed announcers as its being shown in the US.

Rather go to Italy and watch it there at least you know your getting passion and excitement and that Italian Tifosi bias. Brundle is a wet noodle with a stiff upper lip. Boring

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Welcome to our world guys - in Oz - the ONLY race we are guaranteed to get is our GP - last year we were scheduled to get just under half the races live (not qualifying or practice at all) - but they reneged and didn't show the last two races they had said they would.

I'm guessing we will get no other races live this year - so the nominal option is Foxtel - a TOTAL rip off service that offers crap quality and connectivity based on the last few years - and limited options for over $700 per annum (plus hundreds to connect) - and if you don't want the rubbish they offer in their packages (you have to have a major package to get F1) - there is no value and it's not worth it - and then it might not work either

If Liberty GENUINELY wants to promote F1 in Australia - it MUST veto Foxtel and Channel 10 - as clearly ANTI motor sport - but I doubt that they care about the fans


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Welcome to our world guys - in Oz - the ONLY race we are guaranteed to get is our GP - last year we were scheduled to get just under half the races live (not qualifying or practice at all) - but they reneged and didn't show the last two races they had said they would.

I'm guessing we will get no other races live this year - so the nominal option is Foxtel - a TOTAL rip off service that offers crap quality and connectivity based on the last few years - and limited options for over $700 per annum (plus hundreds to connect) - and if you don't want the rubbish they offer in their packages (you have to have a major package to get F1) - there is no value and it's not worth it - and then it might not work either

If Liberty GENUINELY wants to promote F1 in Australia - it MUST veto Foxtel and Channel 10 - as clearly ANTI motor sport - but I doubt that they care about the fans

Is Australia one of the countries that's going to be getting F1 TV? If so, you'll be able to exchange that $700 per year for $100.

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So we’re 2 days before the next event and still no update on f1 tv pro. One more race weekend with espn’s bs coverage coming up. 😡


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I am really hoping espn2 will do something about the commercials. Liberty gave espn2 F!. What was extremely annoying to me, was the announcers are talking to an audience that doesn't have commercials. so when espn2 cuts to/ comes back from commercial, we don't know why a car has retired.

if liberty is serious about growing f1 in the states, they should do something about this immediately. mothers car wash gets a "crawler ad" across the bottom of the screen, not a full screen commercial. espn paid nothing for f1, and mothers wax isn't paying much for their ads. liberty can easily tell espn2 to give some money back to mothers wax. liberty can afford it

ohwell....yep, the entire reason liberty gave espn2 f1 was because of their streaming package, that isn't available lol


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Blake wrote:
To be fair, I was not as disappointed in the actual race calling as I feared I might be, though I was surprised at some of the less informed comments that they made, I thought they were experts! The pre-race was very pro-Lewis and anti-Ferrari as I had expected and if there is a repeat of such baloney, I won't bother watching it in the future. Yes, they may be UK based, but now they are an international broadcasting entity and need to be more balanced than if all they are doing is broadcasting the home base.

From my understanding ESPN is taking the SkySports feed because they are doing it on the cheap, Sky doesn't have to accommodate a world wide audience as such, you want to criticism a UK based company because your American based company are cheapskates.

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I am really hoping espn2 will do something about the commercials. Liberty gave espn2 F!. What was extremely annoying to me, was the announcers are talking to an audience that doesn't have commercials. so when espn2 cuts to/ comes back from commercial, we don't know why a car has retired.

if liberty is serious about growing f1 in the states, they should do something about this immediately. mothers car wash gets a "crawler ad" across the bottom of the screen, not a full screen commercial. espn paid nothing for f1, and mothers wax isn't paying much for their ads. liberty can easily tell espn2 to give some money back to mothers wax. liberty can afford it

ohwell....yep, the entire reason liberty gave espn2 f1 was because of their streaming package, that isn't available lol

Apparently Liberty Media tried to push us in the UK into watching 3 minute action shots playing to their new theme music so as the ESPN coverage wouldn't be disjointed so basically pushing the UK into numerous ad breaks, however Sky would have none of it, people paying extra for the F1 channel would have probably cancelled their subscription.

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pc27b wrote:
I am really hoping espn2 will do something about the commercials. Liberty gave espn2 F!. What was extremely annoying to me, was the announcers are talking to an audience that doesn't have commercials. so when espn2 cuts to/ comes back from commercial, we don't know why a car has retired.

if liberty is serious about growing f1 in the states, they should do something about this immediately. mothers car wash gets a "crawler ad" across the bottom of the screen, not a full screen commercial. espn paid nothing for f1, and mothers wax isn't paying much for their ads. liberty can easily tell espn2 to give some money back to mothers wax. liberty can afford it

ohwell....yep, the entire reason liberty gave espn2 f1 was because of their streaming package, that isn't available lol

Apparently Liberty Media tried to push us in the UK into watching 3 minute action shots playing to their new theme music so as the ESPN coverage wouldn't be disjointed so basically pushing the UK into numerous ad breaks, however Sky would have none of it, people paying extra for the F1 channel would have probably cancelled their subscription.


you shouldn't have your coverage changed for us in the states.
liberty should realize our broadcast in the states is disjointed, and fix it. it isn't hard. they charged espn2 nothing for the rights. so the full screen and half screen commercials in the states should go away. put a banner on the bottom


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To be fair, I was not as disappointed in the actual race calling as I feared I might be, though I was surprised at some of the less informed comments that they made, I thought they were experts! The pre-race was very pro-Lewis and anti-Ferrari as I had expected and if there is a repeat of such baloney, I won't bother watching it in the future. Yes, they may be UK based, but now they are an international broadcasting entity and need to be more balanced than if all they are doing is broadcasting the home base.

From my understanding ESPN is taking the SkySports feed because they are doing it on the cheap, Sky doesn't have to accommodate a world wide audience as such, you want to criticism a UK based company because your American based company are cheapskates.


If you had followed my posts related to this virtually from the time of the Sky feed announcement, you would know that I have indeed criticized the American company over this. However, that does not excuse, nor does "on the cheap", excuse the UK based company from understanding that in selling their feed internationally a big part of their market may desire a more neutral broadcast.

I also said that I would give Sky a chance and I am. However the pre-race in Melbourne was not a good start....still I will see if it is any better this weekend. That you wouldn't want a less Lewis centered broadcast team is understandable, I fully understand that, but I'd like a bit less of it.

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Blake wrote:
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Blake wrote:
To be fair, I was not as disappointed in the actual race calling as I feared I might be, though I was surprised at some of the less informed comments that they made, I thought they were experts! The pre-race was very pro-Lewis and anti-Ferrari as I had expected and if there is a repeat of such baloney, I won't bother watching it in the future. Yes, they may be UK based, but now they are an international broadcasting entity and need to be more balanced than if all they are doing is broadcasting the home base.

From my understanding ESPN is taking the SkySports feed because they are doing it on the cheap, Sky doesn't have to accommodate a world wide audience as such, you want to criticism a UK based company because your American based company are cheapskates.


If you had followed my posts related to this virtually from the time of the Sky feed announcement, you would know that I have indeed criticized the American company over this. However, that does not excuse, nor does "on the cheap", excuse the UK based company from understanding that in selling their feed internationally a big part of their market may desire a more neutral broadcast.

I also said that I would give Sky a chance and I am. However the pre-race in Melbourne was not a good start....still I will see if it is any better this weekend. That you wouldn't want a less Lewis centered broadcast team is understandable, I fully understand that, but I'd like a bit less of it.

I very rarely watch all the pre race broadcast, I don't much care for it as I just want to watch the race.

I only really ventured into this thread because of the apparent cheap trick that LM tried to pull on the UK public because of criticism of the disjointed ESPN coverage due to the plethora of adverts forced onto the viewers so they tried to get Sky to take breaks in their UK coverage.

I don't understand why you think a UK company should have a remit not to overly support the only UK driver in F1, a 4 times Champion to boot, the channel is paid for by the UK public many of which you might imagine are Hamilton fans.

It's not like Sky were in some kind of bidding war, they must be the only English speaking broadcast that are prepared to pay the money to show full coverage of F1 so that would be more of a take it or leave it option, their chief market is the UK and I don't believe the remit was for a world market?

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pc27b wrote:
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pc27b wrote:
I am really hoping espn2 will do something about the commercials. Liberty gave espn2 F!. What was extremely annoying to me, was the announcers are talking to an audience that doesn't have commercials. so when espn2 cuts to/ comes back from commercial, we don't know why a car has retired.

if liberty is serious about growing f1 in the states, they should do something about this immediately. mothers car wash gets a "crawler ad" across the bottom of the screen, not a full screen commercial. espn paid nothing for f1, and mothers wax isn't paying much for their ads. liberty can easily tell espn2 to give some money back to mothers wax. liberty can afford it

ohwell....yep, the entire reason liberty gave espn2 f1 was because of their streaming package, that isn't available lol

Apparently Liberty Media tried to push us in the UK into watching 3 minute action shots playing to their new theme music so as the ESPN coverage wouldn't be disjointed so basically pushing the UK into numerous ad breaks, however Sky would have none of it, people paying extra for the F1 channel would have probably cancelled their subscription.


you shouldn't have your coverage changed for us in the states.
liberty should realize our broadcast in the states is disjointed, and fix it. it isn't hard. they charged espn2 nothing for the rights. so the full screen and half screen commercials in the states should go away. put a banner on the bottom

I don't know why you Americans put up with it, you basically are paying for both the coverage and the adverts, in the UK many would just bail out.

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I don't know why you Americans put up with it, you basically are paying for both the coverage and the adverts, in the UK many would just bail out.

We always do that. Even expensive channels here in the US have advertisements - that's just the way it is. It's particularly annoying with the Sky feed because the original source broadcast doesn't have them, but believe me that we're used to paying for the privilege of watching commercials. :?

PS: I'm bailing out as soon as F1 TV becomes available! :lol:

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I don't know why you Americans put up with it, you basically are paying for both the coverage and the adverts, in the UK many would just bail out.

We always do that. Even expensive channels here in the US have advertisements - that's just the way it is. It's particularly annoying with the Sky feed because the original source broadcast doesn't have them, but believe me that we're used to paying for the privilege of watching commercials. :?

PS: I'm bailing out as soon as F1 TV becomes available! :lol:

Will it be free of adverts during the race though bearing in mind you will be dealing directly with Liberty Media, an American company afterall?

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To be fair, I was not as disappointed in the actual race calling as I feared I might be, though I was surprised at some of the less informed comments that they made, I thought they were experts! The pre-race was very pro-Lewis and anti-Ferrari as I had expected and if there is a repeat of such baloney, I won't bother watching it in the future. Yes, they may be UK based, but now they are an international broadcasting entity and need to be more balanced than if all they are doing is broadcasting the home base.

From my understanding ESPN is taking the SkySports feed because they are doing it on the cheap, Sky doesn't have to accommodate a world wide audience as such, you want to criticism a UK based company because your American based company are cheapskates.


If you had followed my posts related to this virtually from the time of the Sky feed announcement, you would know that I have indeed criticized the American company over this. However, that does not excuse, nor does "on the cheap", excuse the UK based company from understanding that in selling their feed internationally a big part of their market may desire a more neutral broadcast.

I also said that I would give Sky a chance and I am. However the pre-race in Melbourne was not a good start....still I will see if it is any better this weekend. That you wouldn't want a less Lewis centered broadcast team is understandable, I fully understand that, but I'd like a bit less of it.

I very rarely watch all the pre race broadcast, I don't much care for it as I just want to watch the race.

I only really ventured into this thread because of the apparent cheap trick that LM tried to pull on the UK public because of criticism of the disjointed ESPN coverage due to the plethora of adverts forced onto the viewers so they tried to get Sky to take breaks in their UK coverage.
What "cheap trick" is it? That they negotiated a so-called cheap price from Sky to use their broadcasting? If you feel that I should be upset with ESPN for using Sky, shouldn't you also be upset with Sky for falling for that "cheap trick"?

I don't understand why you think a UK company should have a remit not to overly support the only UK driver in F1, a 4 times Champion to boot, the channel is paid for by the UK public many of which you might imagine are Hamilton fans.
Obviously, the idea of INTERNATIONAL broadcast is escaping you. When you sell your broadcast to an international audience, you are no longer just the local homeboy support team. I fully understand that Lewis is a big deal to the UK market, but it may come as a surprise that he is not that dominate a force in the US market, which they are selling services to. Why not be a bit more neutral and serve both markets more evenly? If I, as an individual, go out of my way to purchase a feed from a Lewis leaning source, then I full expect to get such biases, but in the case, it is being fed to me with little choice other than accept it or leave it. BTW, I did not say that they should not mention Lewis and/or Merc, only that it should be in a more even way.



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We always do that. Even expensive channels here in the US have advertisements - that's just the way it is. It's particularly annoying with the Sky feed because the original source broadcast doesn't have them, but believe me that we're used to paying for the privilege of watching commercials. :?

PS: I'm bailing out as soon as F1 TV becomes available! :lol:

Will it be free of adverts during the race though bearing in mind you will be dealing directly with Liberty Media, an American company afterall?

I'm pretty sure it will be, because it's coming directly from Liberty. These 'over the top' services usually have no advertising in my experience because there aren't any contracts to advertise in the space.

Additionally, having no ads on the F1 TV service will make it extremely competitive against any US broadcaster, so it's in their best interest not to have any. They're already making $100 per year per subscriber, which is going to be hundreds of millions total one assumes.

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Blake wrote:
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Blake wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Blake wrote:
To be fair, I was not as disappointed in the actual race calling as I feared I might be, though I was surprised at some of the less informed comments that they made, I thought they were experts! The pre-race was very pro-Lewis and anti-Ferrari as I had expected and if there is a repeat of such baloney, I won't bother watching it in the future. Yes, they may be UK based, but now they are an international broadcasting entity and need to be more balanced than if all they are doing is broadcasting the home base.

From my understanding ESPN is taking the SkySports feed because they are doing it on the cheap, Sky doesn't have to accommodate a world wide audience as such, you want to criticism a UK based company because your American based company are cheapskates.


If you had followed my posts related to this virtually from the time of the Sky feed announcement, you would know that I have indeed criticized the American company over this. However, that does not excuse, nor does "on the cheap", excuse the UK based company from understanding that in selling their feed internationally a big part of their market may desire a more neutral broadcast.

I also said that I would give Sky a chance and I am. However the pre-race in Melbourne was not a good start....still I will see if it is any better this weekend. That you wouldn't want a less Lewis centered broadcast team is understandable, I fully understand that, but I'd like a bit less of it.

I very rarely watch all the pre race broadcast, I don't much care for it as I just want to watch the race.

I only really ventured into this thread because of the apparent cheap trick that LM tried to pull on the UK public because of criticism of the disjointed ESPN coverage due to the plethora of adverts forced onto the viewers so they tried to get Sky to take breaks in their UK coverage.
What "cheap trick" is it? That they negotiated a so-called cheap price from Sky to use their broadcasting? If you feel that I should be upset with ESPN for using Sky, shouldn't you also be upset with Sky for falling for that "cheap trick"?

I don't understand why you think a UK company should have a remit not to overly support the only UK driver in F1, a 4 times Champion to boot, the channel is paid for by the UK public many of which you might imagine are Hamilton fans.
Obviously, the idea of INTERNATIONAL broadcast is escaping you. When you sell your broadcast to an international audience, you are no longer just the local homeboy support team. I fully understand that Lewis is a big deal to the UK market, but it may come as a surprise that he is not that dominate a force in the US market, which they are selling services to. Why not be a bit more neutral and serve both markets more evenly? If I, as an individual, go out of my way to purchase a feed from a Lewis leaning source, then I full expect to get such biases, but in the case, it is being fed to me with little choice other than accept it or leave it. BTW, I did not say that they should not mention Lewis and/or Merc, only that it should be in a more even way.



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First of all I have heard that ESPN do not even pay for the Sky F1 feed, Liberty Media were so desperate for F1 to air in America that they gave ESPN the service for free.

Sky F1 pay hundreds of millions to broadcast F1 paid by UK viewers, their market is not America, why should they cowtail to a foreign market that hardly contributes to it's coffers?

There is not a problem with you not liking the UK centric broadcast but with you expecting the broadcaster should cater for all and sundry particularly when all and sundry like I said are not exactly paying that much.

The cheap trick is a reference to the numerous 3 minute gaps in live transmissions that Liberty Media requested to Sky so the commentary received by ESPN would not be so disjointed with American viewers not being informed what had happened after they returned from the ad break, so basically trying to force ad breaks onto the host broadcaster and onto the UK viewers in the form of slow motion action replays played to their theme music with UK broadcasters being told not to say anything so like the American viewers we have to be informed of things that we had missed unbeknown that we had actually just been subjected to an ad break.

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Exediron wrote:
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We always do that. Even expensive channels here in the US have advertisements - that's just the way it is. It's particularly annoying with the Sky feed because the original source broadcast doesn't have them, but believe me that we're used to paying for the privilege of watching commercials. :?

PS: I'm bailing out as soon as F1 TV becomes available! :lol:

Will it be free of adverts during the race though bearing in mind you will be dealing directly with Liberty Media, an American company afterall?

I'm pretty sure it will be, because it's coming directly from Liberty. These 'over the top' services usually have no advertising in my experience because there aren't any contracts to advertise in the space.

Additionally, having no ads on the F1 TV service will make it extremely competitive against any US broadcaster, so it's in their best interest not to have any. They're already making $100 per year per subscriber, which is going to be hundreds of millions total one assumes.

I guess you can't wait for that to kick into action then?

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I am really hoping espn2 will do something about the commercials. Liberty gave espn2 F!. What was extremely annoying to me, was the announcers are talking to an audience that doesn't have commercials. so when espn2 cuts to/ comes back from commercial, we don't know why a car has retired.

if liberty is serious about growing f1 in the states, they should do something about this immediately. mothers car wash gets a "crawler ad" across the bottom of the screen, not a full screen commercial. espn paid nothing for f1, and mothers wax isn't paying much for their ads. liberty can easily tell espn2 to give some money back to mothers wax. liberty can afford it

ohwell....yep, the entire reason liberty gave espn2 f1 was because of their streaming package, that isn't available lol

Apparently Liberty Media tried to push us in the UK into watching 3 minute action shots playing to their new theme music so as the ESPN coverage wouldn't be disjointed so basically pushing the UK into numerous ad breaks, however Sky would have none of it, people paying extra for the F1 channel would have probably cancelled their subscription.


you shouldn't have your coverage changed for us in the states.
liberty should realize our broadcast in the states is disjointed, and fix it. it isn't hard. they charged espn2 nothing for the rights. so the full screen and half screen commercials in the states should go away. put a banner on the bottom

I don't know why you Americans put up with it, you basically are paying for both the coverage and the adverts, in the UK many would just bail out.


the leagues (nfl/mlb/nba etc) make huge money from the broadcaster so we get commercials. just the way it is here. my monthly cable tv bill is only $37 bucks.
i am hoping liberty fixes this, but not holding my breathe they will. i have a feeling they will be hoping people like me pay for their streaming broadcast.


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From my understanding ESPN is taking the SkySports feed because they are doing it on the cheap, Sky doesn't have to accommodate a world wide audience as such, you want to criticism a UK based company because your American based company are cheapskates.


If you had followed my posts related to this virtually from the time of the Sky feed announcement, you would know that I have indeed criticized the American company over this. However, that does not excuse, nor does "on the cheap", excuse the UK based company from understanding that in selling their feed internationally a big part of their market may desire a more neutral broadcast.

I also said that I would give Sky a chance and I am. However the pre-race in Melbourne was not a good start....still I will see if it is any better this weekend. That you wouldn't want a less Lewis centered broadcast team is understandable, I fully understand that, but I'd like a bit less of it.

I very rarely watch all the pre race broadcast, I don't much care for it as I just want to watch the race.

I only really ventured into this thread because of the apparent cheap trick that LM tried to pull on the UK public because of criticism of the disjointed ESPN coverage due to the plethora of adverts forced onto the viewers so they tried to get Sky to take breaks in their UK coverage.
What "cheap trick" is it? That they negotiated a so-called cheap price from Sky to use their broadcasting? If you feel that I should be upset with ESPN for using Sky, shouldn't you also be upset with Sky for falling for that "cheap trick"?

I don't understand why you think a UK company should have a remit not to overly support the only UK driver in F1, a 4 times Champion to boot, the channel is paid for by the UK public many of which you might imagine are Hamilton fans.
Obviously, the idea of INTERNATIONAL broadcast is escaping you. When you sell your broadcast to an international audience, you are no longer just the local homeboy support team. I fully understand that Lewis is a big deal to the UK market, but it may come as a surprise that he is not that dominate a force in the US market, which they are selling services to. Why not be a bit more neutral and serve both markets more evenly? If I, as an individual, go out of my way to purchase a feed from a Lewis leaning source, then I full expect to get such biases, but in the case, it is being fed to me with little choice other than accept it or leave it. BTW, I did not say that they should not mention Lewis and/or Merc, only that it should be in a more even way.



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First of all I have heard that ESPN do not even pay for the Sky F1 feed, Liberty Media were so desperate for F1 to air in America that they gave ESPN the service for free.

Sky F1 pay hundreds of millions to broadcast F1 paid by UK viewers, their market is not America, why should they cowtail to a foreign market that hardly contributes to it's coffers?

There is not a problem with you not liking the UK centric broadcast but with you expecting the broadcaster should cater for all and sundry particularly when all and sundry like I said are not exactly paying that much.

The cheap trick is a reference to the numerous 3 minute gaps in live transmissions that Liberty Media requested to Sky so the commentary received by ESPN would not be so disjointed with American viewers not being informed what had happened after they returned from the ad break, so basically trying to force ad breaks onto the host broadcaster and onto the UK viewers in the form of slow motion action replays played to their theme music with UK broadcasters being told not to say anything so like the American viewers we have to be informed of things that we had missed unbeknown that we had actually just been subjected to an ad break.

Are you sure about this? Liberty Media don't control who gets the SKY feed and I doubt SKY themselves would give it away for free.

I'm with you that SKY shouldn't necessarily change its lineup just because another country has access to its feed.


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liberty told nbc that liberty was going to offer their own f1 streaming broadcast this season. nbc rightly balked at that. liberty called a buddy at espn2 and offered it to them for free. liberty screwed the pooch. and espn2 doesn't give a rats behind about f1 fans in the states


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pc27b wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2018/03/26/how-espn-saved-4-million-on-its-formula-one-broadcast-deal/#a15ddbdbcbd1

liberty told nbc that liberty was going to offer their own f1 streaming broadcast this season. nbc rightly balked at that. liberty called a buddy at espn2 and offered it to them for free. liberty screwed the pooch. and espn2 doesn't give a rats behind about f1 fans in the states



So they are not even paying for it but we still have to put up with commercials and no post race content. Wow! Shame on you espn.


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Will it be free of adverts during the race though bearing in mind you will be dealing directly with Liberty Media, an American company afterall?

I'm pretty sure it will be, because it's coming directly from Liberty. These 'over the top' services usually have no advertising in my experience because there aren't any contracts to advertise in the space.

Additionally, having no ads on the F1 TV service will make it extremely competitive against any US broadcaster, so it's in their best interest not to have any. They're already making $100 per year per subscriber, which is going to be hundreds of millions total one assumes.

I guess you can't wait for that to kick into action then?

Darned right I can't. If it's as promised, ESPN has seen the last of me.

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I am really hoping espn2 will do something about the commercials. Liberty gave espn2 F!. What was extremely annoying to me, was the announcers are talking to an audience that doesn't have commercials. so when espn2 cuts to/ comes back from commercial, we don't know why a car has retired.

if liberty is serious about growing f1 in the states, they should do something about this immediately. mothers car wash gets a "crawler ad" across the bottom of the screen, not a full screen commercial. espn paid nothing for f1, and mothers wax isn't paying much for their ads. liberty can easily tell espn2 to give some money back to mothers wax. liberty can afford it

ohwell....yep, the entire reason liberty gave espn2 f1 was because of their streaming package, that isn't available lol

Apparently Liberty Media tried to push us in the UK into watching 3 minute action shots playing to their new theme music so as the ESPN coverage wouldn't be disjointed so basically pushing the UK into numerous ad breaks, however Sky would have none of it, people paying extra for the F1 channel would have probably cancelled their subscription.


you shouldn't have your coverage changed for us in the states.
liberty should realize our broadcast in the states is disjointed, and fix it. it isn't hard. they charged espn2 nothing for the rights. so the full screen and half screen commercials in the states should go away. put a banner on the bottom

I don't know why you Americans put up with it, you basically are paying for both the coverage and the adverts, in the UK many would just bail out.


the leagues (nfl/mlb/nba etc) make huge money from the broadcaster so we get commercials. just the way it is here. my monthly cable tv bill is only $37 bucks.
i am hoping liberty fixes this, but not holding my breathe they will. i have a feeling they will be hoping people like me pay for their streaming broadcast.

No way I'd pay $37 and watch commercials.

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Exediron wrote:
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Will it be free of adverts during the race though bearing in mind you will be dealing directly with Liberty Media, an American company afterall?

I'm pretty sure it will be, because it's coming directly from Liberty. These 'over the top' services usually have no advertising in my experience because there aren't any contracts to advertise in the space.

Additionally, having no ads on the F1 TV service will make it extremely competitive against any US broadcaster, so it's in their best interest not to have any. They're already making $100 per year per subscriber, which is going to be hundreds of millions total one assumes.

I guess you can't wait for that to kick into action then?

Darned right I can't. If it's as promised, ESPN has seen the last of me.

Here here. All this bickering about ESPN will become irrelevant as soon as that service is available. To have a commercial free option in the States is a new thing altogether.


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https://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2018/03/26/how-espn-saved-4-million-on-its-formula-one-broadcast-deal/#a15ddbdbcbd1

liberty told nbc that liberty was going to offer their own f1 streaming broadcast this season. nbc rightly balked at that. liberty called a buddy at espn2 and offered it to them for free. liberty screwed the pooch. and espn2 doesn't give a rats behind about f1 fans in the states



So they are not even paying for it but we still have to put up with commercials and no post race content. Wow! Shame on you espn.

I guess it's just what your use to but over here we wouldn't put up with that kind of treatment, basically if you're watching for free then you have to realise that the adverts are paying for the coverage, but if you're actually paying yourself then that's a big no, no.

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pokerman wrote:
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pc27b wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2018/03/26/how-espn-saved-4-million-on-its-formula-one-broadcast-deal/#a15ddbdbcbd1

liberty told nbc that liberty was going to offer their own f1 streaming broadcast this season. nbc rightly balked at that. liberty called a buddy at espn2 and offered it to them for free. liberty screwed the pooch. and espn2 doesn't give a rats behind about f1 fans in the states



So they are not even paying for it but we still have to put up with commercials and no post race content. Wow! Shame on you espn.

I guess it's just what your use to but over here we wouldn't put up with that kind of treatment, basically if you're watching for free then you have to realise that the adverts are paying for the coverage, but if you're actually paying yourself then that's a big no, no.


We have been putting up with it forever but now it’s worst because the sky feed is non stop and we are missing out on quite a bit. F1 tv pro is the only hope I guess, if it is ever released...


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Its a pleasure to be in Italy this week and watching the coverage here, just amazing coverage with knowledgable staff.

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Not even going to put qualy on but get practice 3???
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Not even going to put qualy on but get practice 3???
They suck!!!!!!!!!!!

It must clash with College Basketball or something?

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For those who would leave if they don't like the service, what would you do instead?

Not watch?


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Not even going to put qualy on but get practice 3???
They suck!!!!!!!!!!!


Quali is on espn2 in just under a half hour.


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For those who would leave if they don't like the service, what would you do instead?

Not watch?


Perhaps. Or watch in silence... Or watch and cues at the TV.

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For those who would leave if they don't like the service, what would you do instead?

Not watch?


Perhaps. Or watch in silence... Or watch and cues at the TV.

;)


Im gonna start watching it in spanish on univision, these sky commentors are annoying and ramble on and on about petty things. I would much rather view it with just car/engine audio and no other outside commentary.

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