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I can see Renault offer something around the figure of 30 million for a two year +1 year option and official #1 status with Hulk (Sainz to RB)

I'm not sure Renault would offer anyone #1 status over Hulk at this point - except for, I suppose, Alonso or Hamilton. They seem to be very happy with Hulk, and he's been the unquestionable best driver at Renault ever since he joined, despite Sainz being quite highly tipped by many people (myself included) to get the better of him. Ricciardo is better than Sainz, yes, but I think Renault sees Hulk as a #1 driver in his own right, not someone to be made a #2 for an outside hire.

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ricciardo to Haas, well i can hope lol. doesn't seem like he is helping his own negotiations out with his recent comments?


What recent comments?

I think his recent win probably does more good for his stock than anything he could have possibly said to bring it down.



yesterday he said ferrari and mercedes had not contacted him. i don't see how that helps negotiations for him, if it is even true.

my guess is, ferrari isn't an option, they have a couple of their own guys they will choose between.
everyone knows he is talented, and seems well liked. if mercedes doesn't call, would he leave for renault or mclaren ? i wouldn't think so unless the money is waaaaay more than red bull.


Why on earth would he leave for Renault or McLaren? He wants to go forward, not backward. Both Renault (even though a works team) and McLaren have a lot to prove at the moment in the design department...


that's why i said, what i did at the end


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Multi69 wrote:
I can see Renault offer something around the figure of 30 million for a two year +1 year option and official #1 status with Hulk (Sainz to RB)


Pretty sure Ricciardo has repeatedly said money isn't a deciding factor, so unless he thinks that being the #1 driver at Renault is going to give him a better chance of winning races than remaining with Red Bull - and your guess is as good as mine on that given we don't even know what engine Red Bull will be running next year - I don't think the money would make a difference.

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The funny thing is that Dan might be too good to be attractive to Mercedes or Ferrari. Basically, it's possible that they see him as less than ideal as a replacement for Bottas or Raikkonen because he would be too competitive with either Hamilton or Vettel. This would lead to having two drivers who really take a lot of points off of each other and either Hamilton or Vettel (whoever is not teamed with him) would end up winning the championship. It could also disrupt the harmony within the team. It's possible that the only way that they would want to sign him is if they were parting ways with their lead driver. This is basically the same dilemma that Alonso has faced these last few years.


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The funny thing is that Dan might be too good to be attractive to Mercedes or Ferrari. Basically, it's possible that they see him as less than ideal as a replacement for Bottas or Raikkonen because he would be too competitive with either Hamilton or Vettel. This would lead to having two drivers who really take a lot of points off of each other and either Hamilton or Vettel (whoever is not teamed with him) would end up winning the championship. It could also disrupt the harmony within the team. It's possible that the only way that they would want to sign him is if they were parting ways with their lead driver. This is basically the same dilemma that Alonso has faced these last few years.


Sad fact is here is a driver who believes he can challenge for the championship, but that is not what the teams who can challenge for the championship are looking for- they already have their championship contender.

He is left being team no2 - even at Red Bull. At Red Bull his support may be mixed, better from Horner than Marko, but supporting him to win over Verstappen has a very short window, and it is unclear if they will have the engine power during the window.


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Interview with horner on keeping Riccardo

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2018/4/horner-on-the-fight-to-sign-ricciardo.html

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Seems more like a rehash.... the quotes from Horner were the exact words he said at the track after the China Grand Prix, not a new interview at all. For example, the quote of
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"If we can give him a car like we did [in China], why would he want to be anywhere else?"

Has been referenced several times, and now they need to add the 'in China' which was not needed at the time because he said it, on camera, in China.

If things are progressing, they will be doing so away from interviews right now and the next we will hear is in the lead up to Baku when there are at least new statements to be quoted.


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Seems more like a rehash.... the quotes from Horner were the exact words he said at the track after the China Grand Prix, not a new interview at all. For example, the quote of
Horner wrote:
"If we can give him a car like we did [in China], why would he want to be anywhere else?"

Has been referenced several times, and now they need to add the 'in China' which was not needed at the time because he said it, on camera, in China.

If things are progressing, they will be doing so away from interviews right now and the next we will hear is in the lead up to Baku when there are at least new statements to be quoted.


I dont know why Horner is going on about how good the RB was in China.

The only reason Ric won that race was thanks to a impatient team mate, a Toro Rosso prang bringing out the safety car & great tactical calls and pit work by his team,along with poor tactical call by Merc & Ferrari, giving him an insane tyre advantage in the last 20 or so laps, and this after cruising around in 6th until the safety car, in a car that's still behind Merc & Ferrari and just sneaking into quali thanks to a blown turbo.

If I was Ric I wouldn't be using China as evidence that RB are or will be in a championship winning position anytime soon.

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Jezza13 wrote:
iano wrote:
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Seems more like a rehash.... the quotes from Horner were the exact words he said at the track after the China Grand Prix, not a new interview at all. For example, the quote of
Horner wrote:
"If we can give him a car like we did [in China], why would he want to be anywhere else?"

Has been referenced several times, and now they need to add the 'in China' which was not needed at the time because he said it, on camera, in China.

If things are progressing, they will be doing so away from interviews right now and the next we will hear is in the lead up to Baku when there are at least new statements to be quoted.


I dont know why Horner is going on about how good the RB was in China.

The only reason Ric won that race was thanks to a impatient team mate, a Toro Rosso prang bringing out the safety car & great tactical calls and pit work by his team,along with poor tactical call by Merc & Ferrari, giving him an insane tyre advantage in the last 20 or so laps, and this after cruising around in 6th until the safety car, in a car that's still behind Merc & Ferrari and just sneaking into quali thanks to a blown turbo.

If I was Ric I wouldn't be using China as evidence that RB are or will be in a championship winning position anytime soon.

Fully agree. I don't know why people - particularly professionals - are waxing so lyrical about Red Bull and/or Ricciardo in China when it was a perfect storm of events which led to their performance at the end. Until then, they had not made any impact on the race. Most of the plaudits should be going to the strategists IMO.

That said, the Red Bulls did look competitive in the race, but qualifying is hampering any potential WDC or WCC challenge. They just don't have the power to compete with the Ferraris or Mercs, but in the races they haven't looked half bad


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Zoue wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
iano wrote:
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Seems more like a rehash.... the quotes from Horner were the exact words he said at the track after the China Grand Prix, not a new interview at all. For example, the quote of
Horner wrote:
"If we can give him a car like we did [in China], why would he want to be anywhere else?"

Has been referenced several times, and now they need to add the 'in China' which was not needed at the time because he said it, on camera, in China.

If things are progressing, they will be doing so away from interviews right now and the next we will hear is in the lead up to Baku when there are at least new statements to be quoted.


I dont know why Horner is going on about how good the RB was in China.

The only reason Ric won that race was thanks to a impatient team mate, a Toro Rosso prang bringing out the safety car & great tactical calls and pit work by his team,along with poor tactical call by Merc & Ferrari, giving him an insane tyre advantage in the last 20 or so laps, and this after cruising around in 6th until the safety car, in a car that's still behind Merc & Ferrari and just sneaking into quali thanks to a blown turbo.

If I was Ric I wouldn't be using China as evidence that RB are or will be in a championship winning position anytime soon.

Fully agree. I don't know why people - particularly professionals - are waxing so lyrical about Red Bull and/or Ricciardo in China when it was a perfect storm of events which led to their performance at the end. Until then, they had not made any impact on the race. Most of the plaudits should be going to the strategists IMO.

That said, the Red Bulls did look competitive in the race, but qualifying is hampering any potential WDC or WCC challenge. They just don't have the power to compete with the Ferraris or Mercs, but in the races they haven't looked half bad


+1 on China being a demonstration of how the Red Bull can compete for the title.

Until the tyre change, the car looked competitive only in the sense it was not far off the pace.

It was surprising how much of an advantage the tyre change gave though- evenMercedes thought track position would matter more.

But I can see why Horner is saying the car was so good.... because that is what he would like be interpreted from the result. Note: Horner only said it once, and is not going on about it. Just there is so little real news that his statement is quoted over and over everywhere.


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Note: Horner only said it once, and is not going on about it. Just there is so little real news that his statement is quoted over and over everywhere.


Point noted :thumbup:

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Interesting article from Mark Hughes: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opin ... nd-ferrari claiming Dan has signed a pre-contract agreement, and probably with Ferrari, with negotiations still to take place. If it's true, some of these negotiations will undoubtedly revolve around DR's unwillingness to be Ferrari's 2nd driver.

This pre-contract scenario has been floated before, early in April, and both Dan and RB denied it, so I'm not sure whether this is a new rumour, or they're just repeating/recycling the old one, however this article is written after the Chinese GP. Still, grains of salt and all that...


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Interesting article from Mark Hughes: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opin ... nd-ferrari claiming Dan has signed a pre-contract agreement, and probably with Ferrari, with negotiations still to take place. If it's true, some of these negotiations will undoubtedly revolve around DR's unwillingness to be Ferrari's 2nd driver.

This pre-contract scenario has been floated before, early in April, and both Dan and RB denied it, so I'm not sure whether this is a new rumour, or they're just repeating/recycling the old one, however this article is written after the Chinese GP. Still, grains of salt and all that...


I had seen that, but since your post I have seen similar things said elsewhere, but in the other places they are even more vague about a source - so may just be repeating what they read on that site. But some do seem convinced.

Good move drawing attention to it.

When if first saw it I though it conflicts too much with "nothing is signed" and the "they have not contacted me" quotes. But the exact wording on the "they have not contacted me" is hard to find a real context so it is unclear - and this could still qualify as "nothing is signed" in terms of an actual commitment to drive next year. Ok, he would have had to sign something, but he was also signing autographs on the weekend so by nothing - he does not actually mean no signature anywhere... just not concrete commitment to next year.

If it is real, the Ferrari is a very serious option.


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Interesting article from Mark Hughes: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opin ... nd-ferrari claiming Dan has signed a pre-contract agreement, and probably with Ferrari, with negotiations still to take place. If it's true, some of these negotiations will undoubtedly revolve around DR's unwillingness to be Ferrari's 2nd driver.

This pre-contract scenario has been floated before, early in April, and both Dan and RB denied it, so I'm not sure whether this is a new rumour, or they're just repeating/recycling the old one, however this article is written after the Chinese GP. Still, grains of salt and all that...


Looks that this is gathering momentum.

http://www.planetf1.com/news/ricciardo- ... ri-report/

I would be very impressed with Ferrari if they brought Ricc in. With that said I’m not sure if this isnt meant to be just a wake up call for Raikonnen.


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He should go to Mercedes and deal with Hamilton without mercy. Hamilton was keen to stop it happening, so go there and do the business against the guy who thinks he’s the god of F1. He does deserve a drive for either Ferrari or Mercedes to really challenge for the championship, because it’s clear Red Bull are going nowhere.


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He should go to Mercedes and deal with Hamilton without mercy. Hamilton was keen to stop it happening, so go there and do the business against the guy who thinks he’s the god of F1. He does deserve a drive for either Ferrari or Mercedes to really challenge for the championship, because it’s clear Red Bull are going nowhere.


Don't hold back on the love for Hamilton :lol:

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MasterRacer,

Why do you feel the need to say nonsense like that about Hamilton?

When and where are you reading things that suggest such a preposterous notion even vaguely?
I have news for you, Ricciardo might be good, but if he went toe to toe against Hamilton he won’t be able to mop the floor with him as it seems you seem to believe.

A 2nd stint with Vettel may also turn out quite different from 2014 so why not just do as most of us do and embrace the possibility of him being paired with either of them so we can enjoy watching them duke it out honestly on the track, and leave all the non factual dogpiling nonsense out of it?

I hope he goes to Ferrari because it’s been far too long since an Italian has piloted a scarlet car in F1. I can imagine the Tifosi losing their minds if he should win their home Grand Prix. Would likely put Alonso’s win on home turf a few years ago to shame and your need ear protection to even enjoy it!

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Why do you feel the need to say nonsense like that about Hamilton?

When and where are you reading things that suggest such a preposterous notion even vaguely?
I have news for you, Ricciardo might be good, but if he went toe to toe against Hamilton he won’t be able to mop the floor with him as it seems you seem to believe.

A 2nd stint with Vettel may also turn out quite different from 2014 so why not just do as most of us do and embrace the possibility of him being paired with either of them so we can enjoy watching them duke it out honestly on the track, and leave all the non factual dogpiling nonsense out of it?

I hope he goes to Ferrari because it’s been far too long since an Italian has piloted a scarlet car in F1. I can imagine the Tifosi losing their minds if he should win their home Grand Prix. Would likely put Alonso’s win on home turf a few years ago to shame and your need ear protection to even enjoy it!


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He’s of Italian blood my friend!!!

His last name is as Italian as it gets and is actually pronounced Richiardo. :nod:

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He’s of Italian blood my friend!!!

His last name is as Italian as it gets and is actually pronounced Richiardo. :nod:

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He’s of Italian blood my friend!!!

His last name is as Italian as it gets and is actually pronounced Richiardo. :nod:


True, his dad was born in Italy. But it doesn't make him Italian, he's born and raised in Australia, with Aussie mother and a father that has been there since he was a little kid.

That said, I am sure he would be loved in Italy, he is one of the most likeable guys out there. I don't think I have met anyone that has a bad thing to say about Ricciardo.


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He should go to Mercedes and deal with Hamilton without mercy. Hamilton was keen to stop it happening, so go there and do the business against the guy who thinks he’s the god of F1. He does deserve a drive for either Ferrari or Mercedes to really challenge for the championship, because it’s clear Red Bull are going nowhere.

A Vettel fan wanting Ricciardo to go to Mercedes, you seem worried?

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http://www.news.com.au/sport/motorsport/formula-one/red-bull-make-ultimatum-to-daniel-ricciardo/news-story/b19cbd1db3dcd860e3ef34725b6bd3aa

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DANIEL Ricciardo only has until August to agree to a new deal with Red Bull.

Fresh from the bombshell report that Ricciardo has contractually entered into an exclusive period of negotiating with rivals Ferrari, Red Bull boss Christian Horner has put down a deadline for Ricciardo to re-sign.

Horner has told German magazine Auto Motor Und Sport Ricciardo has until August to sign a new contract — or the team will begin looking for his replacement.

The 28-year-old remains the hottest driver on the F1 market for 2019 with his Chinese Grand Prix victory cementing his status as the sport’s most-desired free agent.

The Perth product has insisted he will remain with Red Bull if they are able to prove they can help him win a championship in the next few years.

However, a report on Tuesday (AEDT) claimed Ricciardo has signed an understanding with Ferrari to negotiate a new contract with the Italian team without Ricciardo being able to negotiate with any other team until the end of June.

In response, Horner has been quoted declaring Ricciardo only has until August before the team will give up on him.

“There should be a decision by the summer break at the latest,” Horner said of the August break.

“We do not want to wait forever. We have other good options. Our priority is to continue working with Daniel. If that does not work, we’ll pull the other options.”

He even said Red Bull would likely first look at Carlos Sainz as Ricciardo’s replacement should the Australian choose to make a move to Ferrari. Reigning champions Mercedes are also reportedly interested in Ricciardo.

“The most obvious is Carlos Sainz,” Horner said.

“He is under contract with us. And then there are a few young drivers.”

It comes after Sky Sports F1 analyst Mark Hughes, writing in Motorsport magazine, wrote the report of Ferrari’s link with Ricciardo is correct.

“There are many different types of contractual options, but this one is said to be on both sides up to a defined date (believed to be June 30). Up until that time, neither party can officially negotiate with another,” reports Hughes.

“Because the driver is effectively locking himself out of the market for that time, discussions for his post-2018 services are contractually ‘owned’ by the team (in this case Ferrari).

“As such, he will be paid a fee. Between now and then he and Ferrari can negotiate about a future contract. This is all conventional F1 practice.

“Those privy to such matters at Red Bull are adamant that he has definitely signed something, somewhere but it’s not with them and it’s not with Mercedes. Logically, therefore, it must be Ferrari.”

Red Bull has said multiple times it wants the Aussie star to stay put, but Ricciardo is yet to give any guarantees, repeatedly saying performance will dictate where he ends up.

If Red Bull can offer him the tools to win a championship he sees no reason to leave. But if — as has happened in previous seasons — the energy drink outfit falls behind Mercedes and Ferrari, the Perth-born driver may seek greener pastures.

Ricciardo said last week he does not want his next contract to tie him down for the next four years due to the uncertainty over the sport’s future. Instead, he wants a two-year deal.

“I don’t want to sign anything too long because I don’t know where the sport’s going,”

The Times newspaper quoted him as saying. “I feel like life is happening pretty fast.

“Each year something might change so I don’t want to tie myself down for four more years and then I’m like, ‘I don’t want to do this any more’.

“Ideally I’d sign a two-year contract.

“I think two years I can definitely be comfortable with and then see it from there.

“That third year will be the rule change so I will probably wait and see what happens then.”



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The way I see it...could be a smart move. He basically says to RBR, sorry but no talk about contract renewal until after the Ferrari deadline at end June. If they want him as bad as they say, then they will wait, with Horner now inferring an August deadline.

In the meantime Dan gets to evaluate progress by Red Bull, Renault and Honda, with a possible Ferrari contract in the wings...i.e. he gets to decide either RBR or Ferrari in July-August. Plus he gets paid by Ferrari to not negotiate with Merc.

Only issue I see is that Ferrari have shown themselves incapable of not favouring one driver over the other, and Vettel is established, but this would comprise a similar challenge to Dan's first year at RBR. I would have preferred to see him go to Merc, for 2 years. I think he'd possibly challenge Hamilton for the WDC.

Plus Aussies in F1, going all the way back to Sir Jack, have always looked upon Ferrari as the arch-enemy, due to their snobby opinion on the "Garagitas"

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Laz_T800 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
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He should go to Mercedes and deal with Hamilton without mercy. Hamilton was keen to stop it happening, so go there and do the business against the guy who thinks he’s the god of F1. He does deserve a drive for either Ferrari or Mercedes to really challenge for the championship, because it’s clear Red Bull are going nowhere.

A Vettel fan wanting Ricciardo to go to Mercedes, you seem worried?


If Ricciardo goes to Ferrari lets hope he gets more equal treatment than Kimi.

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A mysterious third paddle has also appeared on Sebastian Vettel’s steering wheel at Ferrari (and only Vettel’s),


http://www.planetf1.com/news/new-fia-cl ... ine-modes/

Any evidence of why you are assuming that Kimi was denied the specific steering wheel?

It's a Ricciardo thread and thus an open invitation to criticize Vettel.

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Laz_T800 wrote:
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MasterRacer wrote:
He should go to Mercedes and deal with Hamilton without mercy. Hamilton was keen to stop it happening, so go there and do the business against the guy who thinks he’s the god of F1. He does deserve a drive for either Ferrari or Mercedes to really challenge for the championship, because it’s clear Red Bull are going nowhere.

A Vettel fan wanting Ricciardo to go to Mercedes, you seem worried?


If Ricciardo goes to Ferrari lets hope he gets more equal treatment than Kimi.

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A mysterious third paddle has also appeared on Sebastian Vettel’s steering wheel at Ferrari (and only Vettel’s),


http://www.planetf1.com/news/new-fia-cl ... ine-modes/

Any evidence of why you are assuming that Kimi was denied the specific steering wheel?

It's a Ricciardo thread and thus an open invitation to criticize Vettel.

Seems like it sometimes. I'll be waiting for an answer to my question, but it may be a long wait


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http://www.news.com.au/sport/motorsport/formula-one/red-bull-make-ultimatum-to-daniel-ricciardo/news-story/b19cbd1db3dcd860e3ef34725b6bd3aa

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DANIEL Ricciardo only has until August to agree to a new deal with Red Bull.

Fresh from the bombshell report that Ricciardo has contractually entered into an exclusive period of negotiating with rivals Ferrari, Red Bull boss Christian Horner has put down a deadline for Ricciardo to re-sign.

Horner has told German magazine Auto Motor Und Sport Ricciardo has until August to sign a new contract — or the team will begin looking for his replacement.

The 28-year-old remains the hottest driver on the F1 market for 2019 with his Chinese Grand Prix victory cementing his status as the sport’s most-desired free agent.

The Perth product has insisted he will remain with Red Bull if they are able to prove they can help him win a championship in the next few years.

However, a report on Tuesday (AEDT) claimed Ricciardo has signed an understanding with Ferrari to negotiate a new contract with the Italian team without Ricciardo being able to negotiate with any other team until the end of June.

In response, Horner has been quoted declaring Ricciardo only has until August before the team will give up on him.

“There should be a decision by the summer break at the latest,” Horner said of the August break.

“We do not want to wait forever. We have other good options. Our priority is to continue working with Daniel. If that does not work, we’ll pull the other options.”

He even said Red Bull would likely first look at Carlos Sainz as Ricciardo’s replacement should the Australian choose to make a move to Ferrari. Reigning champions Mercedes are also reportedly interested in Ricciardo.

“The most obvious is Carlos Sainz,” Horner said.

“He is under contract with us. And then there are a few young drivers.”

It comes after Sky Sports F1 analyst Mark Hughes, writing in Motorsport magazine, wrote the report of Ferrari’s link with Ricciardo is correct.

“There are many different types of contractual options, but this one is said to be on both sides up to a defined date (believed to be June 30). Up until that time, neither party can officially negotiate with another,” reports Hughes.

“Because the driver is effectively locking himself out of the market for that time, discussions for his post-2018 services are contractually ‘owned’ by the team (in this case Ferrari).

“As such, he will be paid a fee. Between now and then he and Ferrari can negotiate about a future contract. This is all conventional F1 practice.

“Those privy to such matters at Red Bull are adamant that he has definitely signed something, somewhere but it’s not with them and it’s not with Mercedes. Logically, therefore, it must be Ferrari.”

Red Bull has said multiple times it wants the Aussie star to stay put, but Ricciardo is yet to give any guarantees, repeatedly saying performance will dictate where he ends up.

If Red Bull can offer him the tools to win a championship he sees no reason to leave. But if — as has happened in previous seasons — the energy drink outfit falls behind Mercedes and Ferrari, the Perth-born driver may seek greener pastures.

Ricciardo said last week he does not want his next contract to tie him down for the next four years due to the uncertainty over the sport’s future. Instead, he wants a two-year deal.

“I don’t want to sign anything too long because I don’t know where the sport’s going,”

The Times newspaper quoted him as saying. “I feel like life is happening pretty fast.

“Each year something might change so I don’t want to tie myself down for four more years and then I’m like, ‘I don’t want to do this any more’.

“Ideally I’d sign a two-year contract.

“I think two years I can definitely be comfortable with and then see it from there.

“That third year will be the rule change so I will probably wait and see what happens then.”



Red Bull giving him until the summer break makes more sense then the end of this month which was sort of forcing the issue were Ricciardo might be compelled to leave given that he's signed a pre-contract with Ferrari?

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The way I see it...could be a smart move. He basically says to RBR, sorry but no talk about contract renewal until after the Ferrari deadline at end June. If they want him as bad as they say, then they will wait, with Horner now inferring an August deadline.

In the meantime Dan gets to evaluate progress by Red Bull, Renault and Honda, with a possible Ferrari contract in the wings...i.e. he gets to decide either RBR or Ferrari in July-August. Plus he gets paid by Ferrari to not negotiate with Merc.

Only issue I see is that Ferrari have shown themselves incapable of not favouring one driver over the other, and Vettel is established, but this would comprise a similar challenge to Dan's first year at RBR. I would have preferred to see him go to Merc, for 2 years. I think he'd possibly challenge Hamilton for the WDC.

Plus Aussies in F1, going all the way back to Sir Jack, have always looked upon Ferrari as the arch-enemy, due to their snobby opinion on the "Garagitas"

Ricciardo is half Italian though. :)

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He’s of Italian blood my friend!!!

His last name is as Italian as it gets and is actually pronounced Richiardo. :nod:


You’re... you’re not serious are you? Have you had your breakfast? Because you’ve forgotten how life works.

I have an Irish surname, and my ancestors came to Aus via Ireland in the first fleet, doesn’t make me Irish?

By that logic, Hamilton is Scottish, Button is from a shirt (According to Wikipedia, the earliest buttons were found in China, so Chinese) and Alonso is Portuguese.

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He’s of Italian blood my friend!!!

His last name is as Italian as it gets and is actually pronounced Richiardo. :nod:


You’re... you’re not serious are you? Have you had your breakfast? Because you’ve forgotten how life works.

I have an Irish surname, and my ancestors came to Aus via Ireland in the first fleet, doesn’t make me Irish?

By that logic, Hamilton is Scottish, Button is from a shirt (According to Wikipedia, the earliest buttons were found in China, so Chinese) and Alonso is Portuguese.

Good grief


He's Italian by blood. Australian born mother with Italian parents and an Italian born farther.

I think if your dad was Born in Ireland to Irish parents and your mum was born in Australia to Irish parents then I think you may identify somewhat with Ireland as well as Australia.


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He's Italian by blood. Australian born mother with Italian parents and an Italian born farther.

I think if your dad was Born in Ireland to Irish parents and your mum was born in Australia to Irish parents then I think you may identify somewhat with Ireland as well as Australia.

He's an Australian with Italian ancestry. It's really not so complicated.

That said, I think the Italian ancestry would be enough to make the Tifosi happy - he's the closest thing they're likely to get to an Italian driver right now.

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He's Italian by blood. Australian born mother with Italian parents and an Italian born farther.

I think if your dad was Born in Ireland to Irish parents and your mum was born in Australia to Irish parents then I think you may identify somewhat with Ireland as well as Australia.

He's an Australian with Italian ancestry. It's really not so complicated.

That said, I think the Italian ancestry would be enough to make the Tifosi happy - he's the closest thing they're likely to get to an Italian driver right now.

He's a first generation Australian so I would be surprised if he didn't have some sort of ties to his Italian heritage, my cousin was born in England to an English Mother and has lived in England all his life, his Dad is Scottish, when England play Scotland at football he supports Scotland.

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The way I see it...could be a smart move. He basically says to RBR, sorry but no talk about contract renewal until after the Ferrari deadline at end June. If they want him as bad as they say, then they will wait, with Horner now inferring an August deadline.

In the meantime Dan gets to evaluate progress by Red Bull, Renault and Honda, with a possible Ferrari contract in the wings...i.e. he gets to decide either RBR or Ferrari in July-August. Plus he gets paid by Ferrari to not negotiate with Merc.

Only issue I see is that Ferrari have shown themselves incapable of not favouring one driver over the other, and Vettel is established, but this would comprise a similar challenge to Dan's first year at RBR. I would have preferred to see him go to Merc, for 2 years. I think he'd possibly challenge Hamilton for the WDC.

Plus Aussies in F1, going all the way back to Sir Jack, have always looked upon Ferrari as the arch-enemy, due to their snobby opinion on the "Garagitas"

Ricciardo is half Italian though. :)


Not sure that would matter for either Ferrari or Ricciardo. Dan just wants a WDC worthy car and long-term Italian drivers at Ferrari have not been common.

I guess the intervening time from now to Ferrari's deadline gives him an opportunity to negotiate a contract that specifically excludes any team mate favouritism too. Doubt very much he'd go there with a contract like Kimi's appear to be.

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Okay I've cleaned this thread up a little. You can find the Ferrari paddle discussion and Mercedes and Ferrari oil burning engine discussion in the following threads.

Engine- Mercedes vs Ferrari vs Red Bull
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14886

Ferrari paddle- Vettels's steering wheel and blown exhausts
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14949

Please try to remain on topic.

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On this weekend's Paddock Pass program (available in the official F1 Youtube channel), Dan says he is not yet talking with anyone else other than Red Bull and that no other teams have approached him yet. I find this quite odd, as I would've expected Mercedes or Ferrari to at least have approached him to have some preliminary talks. I mean, why wouldn't they? Unless Dan is not telling the truth, but why would he bring it up that nobody has approached him if it wasn't so. Or could it be that both Mercedes and Ferrari have someone else as their primary candidate for the possibly vacant seat next year? That I also find quite odd, as one would think Dan to be the hottest driver available on the market at the moment.

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On this weekend's Paddock Pass program (available in the official F1 Youtube channel), Dan says he is not yet talking with anyone else other than Red Bull and that no other teams have approached him yet. I find this quite odd, as I would've expected Mercedes or Ferrari to at least have approached him to have some preliminary talks. I mean, why wouldn't they? Unless Dan is not telling the truth, but why would he bring it up that nobody has approached him if it wasn't so. Or could it be that both Mercedes and Ferrari have someone else as their primary candidate for the possibly vacant seat next year? That I also find quite odd, as one would think Dan to be the hottest driver available on the market at the moment.


I cannot image he would not be telling the truth.

Words can be interpreted different ways thought. I read 'I had signed nothing', yet I saw him signing autographs. He meant his words to be interpreted as 'i have not signed the type of thing you are asking about'. But what exactly does he think he is being asked about?

Clearly he has signed no agreement for next year yet. Nothing he has said as far as I have heard rules out him having signed an agreement to sit down and discuss a proposal for next year. Or an agreement to not sign up until he hears a proposal.....none of that is ruled out by anything i have seen him quoted on, or heard him say.

But the words are pretty clear that no agreement for next year has been signed - or even discussed to a level where it could be signed- yet(other than any proposal from Red Bull).

So talks could be lined up. His agents may have spoke with other teams. And while there could have been some discussions, those have not yet covered anything concrete for next year.

That is how it seems to me.


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On this weekend's Paddock Pass program (available in the official F1 Youtube channel), Dan says he is not yet talking with anyone else other than Red Bull and that no other teams have approached him yet. I find this quite odd, as I would've expected Mercedes or Ferrari to at least have approached him to have some preliminary talks. I mean, why wouldn't they? Unless Dan is not telling the truth, but why would he bring it up that nobody has approached him if it wasn't so. Or could it be that both Mercedes and Ferrari have someone else as their primary candidate for the possibly vacant seat next year? That I also find quite odd, as one would think Dan to be the hottest driver available on the market at the moment.


I cannot image he would not be telling the truth.

Words can be interpreted different ways thought. I read 'I had signed nothing', yet I saw him signing autographs. He meant his words to be interpreted as 'i have not signed the type of thing you are asking about'. But what exactly does he think he is being asked about?

Clearly he has signed no agreement for next year yet. Nothing he has said as far as I have heard rules out him having signed an agreement to sit down and discuss a proposal for next year. Or an agreement to not sign up until he hears a proposal.....none of that is ruled out by anything i have seen him quoted on, or heard him say.

But the words are pretty clear that no agreement for next year has been signed - or even discussed to a level where it could be signed- yet(other than any proposal from Red Bull).

So talks could be lined up. His agents may have spoke with other teams. And while there could have been some discussions, those have not yet covered anything concrete for next year.

That is how it seems to me.

Here's the part starting at 10:20 where he says he hasn't been approached https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW_4M_B ... u.be&t=620
I would have imagined Merc or Ferrari to approach him already during last year, when this whole speculation began. Could it be that they really actually haven't?

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Interesting to see Horner mention Hamilton along with Raikkonen and Bottas on the PF1 main site today. I could see Ham and Ric swapping seats - might suit both of them.


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Could it just be Dan playing with words?

He may not have been approached, but has he (or his management) approached Mercedes and Ferrari?

I find it very hard to believe there hasn’t been some sort of communication. It was reported that when Rosberg retired virtually every driver made some sort of approach to Mercedes.


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I've said it before and I'll say it again: it makes zero sense for Dan to leave Red Bull at the moment. They are improving practically with every race and once again look like they have the best chassis, even overcoming their PU deficit in races. With the new engine regulations around the corner which are supposed to equalise the engines to a certain extent, you'd have to put money on Red Bull being at the front again sooner rather than later


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