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Who would you hire?
Max 31%  31%  [ 10 ]
Charles 69%  69%  [ 22 ]
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:21 pm 
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Ok, so you are named team principle at a new F1 team and you are given the choice of either Max Verstappen or Charles Leclerc as your lead driver to build the team around. Who do you go with and why?

I think that there is a gap in terms of elite talent in F1. Basically you have Alonso from the oldest generation currently represented and then Hamilton and Vettel just a few years behind him. After those guys there's Daniel; himself a few years younger than Hamilton but then there is a large gap before you get to the next potentially elite talent. I really think that, at 20 years of age, Max and Charles are the next ones and they are nearly a decade younger than Daniel.

Both are about the same age though their paths to F1 have been radically different. Max was identified at a very young age and put right in an F1 car after just a single year in the junior formula. Charles, on the other hand, battled through the junior formula; winning titles in both the GP3 and Formula 2 categories and is only making his F1 debut this year (still young at just 20).


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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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Has to be Max at this time.. Max is already among the top dogs in F1..I would say Charles has potential to be there but we don’t know yet


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Has to be Max at this time.. Max is already among the top dogs in F1..I would say Charles has potential to be there but we don’t know yet

Exactly. Although Verstappen has been bad this year, we know how good he is. Leclerc has only had a few races where he has started to look really impressive. And comparison with a team mate like Ericsson is a bit hard really. I'd give it much more time before considering Leclerc. You never know, if he got taken by a top team too soon based on a quick decision, it could end up badly like Kvyat. Not saying this is likely. But I think he should have a good 2 seasons before going to a top team. If he impresses this season all the way through, replace one of the Hass drivers and give him a chance there. Or if Sauber get better, let him have another season here.


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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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Leclerc and Verstappen have raced against each other twice before.

Leclerc won the Euro KF2 series in 2012.
Verstappen won the World KZ championship in 2013.

So they were 1-1 in karting


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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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Would depend on the brief. Max is a sponsorship magnet but is also a win or nil driver, Charles is a driver developing into a Prost clone but will take 2 years to get there.

If it was a new first year team, Max, to get results and air time. If it was a long term plan and cost taken into account LeClerk

Why not both as a team?


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Leclerc, because I can't stand Max. But if you're asking who I think will turn out to be better, way too early to say.

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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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Leclerc without a shadow of doubt.

If Leclerc was in a car as fast as Max is, with what he is achieving in the Sauber, it wont be a competition at all.

Max has only not been involved in an accident twice this season.


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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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It's tough to say really. Max has had cars where he has been able to make things happen in F1. Leclerc has been in a backmarker in his brief career but has already had multiple standout performances. Both are clearly special and a cut above the rest of the "young" drivers in F1 (under age 25). For me Stroll, Gasly and even Ocon are not in the same class.

If you put me on the spot today, it would be hard to pick against Leclerc but I still think I'd go with Max. Having been benchmarked against Ricciardo and often being quicker than him is just something that Leclerc cannot say he has done. Okay so Daniel has bested Max in the points but you get the feeling that's mostly down to inexperience and not ability. Leclerc seems to be the real deal but is his ceiling as high as Max's? Perhaps it is but we simply don't know that yet.


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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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It won’t be until at least this time next season before you could really say with any confidence since the sample size is still so small with Leclerc.

That’s just talking about skill though. When it comes to temperament I’d pick Leclerc over Max in a heartbeat. It’s not just the over aggression on track, but the “me first” attitude that I could see leaving Max in a Alonso type situation without ever getting the titles.

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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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KingVoid wrote:
Leclerc and Verstappen have raced against each other twice before.

Leclerc won the Euro KF2 series in 2012.
Verstappen won the World KZ championship in 2013.

So they were 1-1 in karting

Another interesting fact, Verstappen advised his old F3 team to sign Leclerc.

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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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There in a nutshell you have the characters, Verstappen a hot head and Leclerc as cool as a cucumber. :)

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If Leclerc is close to Verstappen on talent then I would go with Leclerc, I would count on him more to bring the car home in one piece.

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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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If I had a team i'd go for LeClerc without a second thought.

One i'd think he'd provide better value for my money than Max & two he doesn't seen to have the entitlement attitude Max has although I will say Max seems to have toned it down just a little this year.

LeClerc just seems to come in, get the job done, no fanfare, no trumpets. He's kept clear of other cars & guardrails & he's shown he can deliver outstanding results without earning the ire of half the field or the fans.

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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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Yeah Charles without a doubt.

Max is exciting to watch, but if I was the team owner, I’d want my cars back in 1 piece. Plus I don’t like Max’s self entitled ego. Wouldn’t fit in with my philosophy at BoyWonder GP


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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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Charles, I'm a little bit in love.


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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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At present I'd go with Max.
He's a proven race winner who has the most out and out speed on the grid, with the possible exception of Lewis.
LeClerc has potential but all i can really be sure of is that he's better than Ericsson


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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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Leclerc looks the real deal right now. I think he's showing the benefits of working his way through the lower formulae rather than jumping straight into F1 riding a wave of disproportionate hype. He looks more mature, consistent and well-rounded as a driver.


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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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If you are really going to build the team around one driver only, then it would be too early to employ Leclerc for that role. Whatever the outcome for Verstappen over the past 2.5 years, in a team that allows its drivers to race, he does have more experience of F1 in general, and the way a team works in particular. Having said this, I do realise he has also only experience with that one team.

I like Sandman's question, as it makes me wonder whether at this point Sauber might not consider restructuring its future around him. I have always liked the Sauber team, and I'm a bit worried Ferrari's hold on Leclerc might stifle the team's evolution.

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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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At this point I would say max. Max isn’t having the best of seasons so far but you know what your getting with him. Leclerc is still unproven talent. Yes leclerc has had some notable races but they have also come at the expense of other drivers retiring allowing leclerc to finish in positions he had no way of reaching had those cars finished the race.

For Example Baku both Redbulls, Bottas, ocon & Hulkenberg all retired. Had they finished the race no way leclerc finishes 6th. Leclerc is showing good talent but it’s not as cut and dry as some are speculating

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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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At this point I would say max. Max isn’t having the best of seasons so far but you know what your getting with him. Leclerc is still unproven talent. Yes leclerc has had some notable races but they have also come at the expense of other drivers retiring allowing leclerc to finish in positions he had no way of reaching had those cars finished the race.

For Example Baku both Redbulls, Bottas, ocon & Hulkenberg all retired. Had they finished the race no way leclerc finishes 6th. Leclerc is showing good talent but it’s not as cut and dry as some are speculating

While I agree that it’s too soon to tell about Leclerc, there’s a lot to be said about putting yourself into a position to pick up the pieces when those ahead fail. Ricciardo partially made his name on the same sort of thing by taking wins in 2014 when the Renault PU was nowhere.

Charles put his Sauber ahead of arguably better cars in order to advantage when those ahead made mistakes or had misfortune in Baku. Here he qualified ahead of better cars and was able to hang on to a points paying position at the end.

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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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Leclerc without a shadow of doubt.

If Leclerc was in a car as fast as Max is, with what he is achieving in the Sauber, it wont be a competition at all.

Max has only not been involved in an accident twice this season.

BIB… The guys in the top 6 cars are ALL finding it difficult to overtake one another thanks to the current aero specs. If Hamilton and Vettel find themselves not able to attack one another even when they have the slightly faster car, what makes you think LeClerc would do any better. I think Max can be a bit impatient and impetuous and at times allows his arrogance and cockiness to influence some of his decisions and then blames everyone else, but the kid has brilliant talent. And as such, when he's had opportunities, he's pounced and taken as full advantage of them as possible and even at his best he has found it impossible to pass at times. The same is true of Hamilton, Vettel, Bottas, Raikkonen an Ricciardo. This being the case, LeClerc doesn't have the ability to somehow alter the laws of physics and he would yield results similar to all the guys I mentioned. To say that in equal cars LeClerc would mop the floor with Verstappen is a huge fallacy.

Could it perhaps be more a case of LeClerc being of similar ability to Verstappen with both of them being that much better than Ericson. and that's why LeClerc is yielding so much better results than his teammate?… I'd go all in on Verstappen jumping in the other Sauber and he and LeClerc would both drive and finish as well as LeClerc has all season long.

The problem with teams like Sauber is that since they don't have the budget to pay top talent to pilot their machines, they have to settle for what they could afford. Perez has been the exception but that's because his sponsors literally paid his salary. Now they Have LeClerc via an agreement between them and Ferrari but the rumblings about him replacing Kimi next year have already begun and it seems to be factual. I wonder how Ericson is going to compare to the next guy Sauber gives LeClerc's seat to. I bet it's going to be closer than it is with LeClerc thus far.

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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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Laz_T800 wrote:
LeClerc has potential but all i can really be sure of is that he's (a lot) better than Ericsson

We only know he's usually half a second or more faster than Ericsson, and has out-qualified him by a second a few times. This being the same Ericsson that Wehrlein struggled to beat at all last year. We don't know Leclerc's number, but we do know that it's pretty high: nobody makes an experienced teammate look like a chump without being fairly special.

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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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Can't say much about talent or speed, but I would much rather have Charles just on attitude and judgement.


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OK, so first of all, why are so many hell-bent on writing 'LeClerc' with capital C? It's Leclerc guys :)

Secondly, at this point, probably Verstappen. Leclerc does look like a highly exciting prospect, doing very impressive things, but too hard to say how he'll do at the pointy end. You'd be taking somewhat of a leap of faith.

I feel like there's too much emphasis on Verstappen's start of the season - he's in his fourth season of F1 and he has been excellent overall.

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Leclerc any day of the week. He is just as good, probably even better since he brings the car home. He accepts his mistakes in a humble way because he is a humble person.
Verstappen is a great driver when he brings the car home but he can't accept blame and he has the biggest sense of entitlement I've seen.

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I'd say Max. He's a proven talent and it'd be a massive gamble to build your team around Leclerc at this point. He's an exciting talent for sure but he's had only 7 F1 starts so far. Bring him in the team? Absolutely. He looks quick and competent. Make him lead driver? Er, no, not just yet


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 Post subject: Re: Max or Charles
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I'd say Max. He's a proven talent and it'd be a massive gamble to build your team around Leclerc at this point. He's an exciting talent for sure but he's had only 7 F1 starts so far. Bring him in the team? Absolutely. He looks quick and competent. Make him lead driver? Er, no, not just yet


Max looks proven as he is driving a Redbull and won with it, if Leclerc was in the Ferrari he would have a race win or two under his belt as well.


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Rockie wrote:
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I'd say Max. He's a proven talent and it'd be a massive gamble to build your team around Leclerc at this point. He's an exciting talent for sure but he's had only 7 F1 starts so far. Bring him in the team? Absolutely. He looks quick and competent. Make him lead driver? Er, no, not just yet


Max looks proven as he is driving a Redbull and won with it, if Leclerc was in the Ferrari he would have a race win or two under his belt as well.

well, yes, isn't that essentially what proven means? Max has shown he can win and compete at the sharp end. Leclerc looks like he may be capable of doing so, but so far hasn't had the opportunity to prove it.


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Rockie wrote:
Zoue wrote:
I'd say Max. He's a proven talent and it'd be a massive gamble to build your team around Leclerc at this point. He's an exciting talent for sure but he's had only 7 F1 starts so far. Bring him in the team? Absolutely. He looks quick and competent. Make him lead driver? Er, no, not just yet


Max looks proven as he is driving a Redbull and won with it, if Leclerc was in the Ferrari he would have a race win or two under his belt as well.


With Max you know, with Charles you're speculating. Hence Max being proven.


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Zoue wrote:
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I'd say Max. He's a proven talent and it'd be a massive gamble to build your team around Leclerc at this point. He's an exciting talent for sure but he's had only 7 F1 starts so far. Bring him in the team? Absolutely. He looks quick and competent. Make him lead driver? Er, no, not just yet


Max looks proven as he is driving a Redbull and won with it, if Leclerc was in the Ferrari he would have a race win or two under his belt as well.

well, yes, isn't that essentially what proven means? Max has shown he can win and compete at the sharp end. Leclerc looks like he may be capable of doing so, but so far hasn't had the opportunity to prove it.


Yes no doubt but there are some drivers you can tell.

It was like Vettel even while he was having first lap collisions at TR and Ascanelli said he was in no doubt Vettel in a front running car will be WDC.


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Zoue wrote:
I'd say Max. He's a proven talent and it'd be a massive gamble to build your team around Leclerc at this point. He's an exciting talent for sure but he's had only 7 F1 starts so far. Bring him in the team? Absolutely. He looks quick and competent. Make him lead driver? Er, no, not just yet


Max looks proven as he is driving a Redbull and won with it, if Leclerc was in the Ferrari he would have a race win or two under his belt as well.


With Max you know, with Charles you're speculating. Hence Max being proven.


Not speculating, you can pick from the data sample however small.

Look at Max at TR he was crashing and having good races and still doing the same at Redbull only in a faster car.


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Rockie wrote:
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I'd say Max. He's a proven talent and it'd be a massive gamble to build your team around Leclerc at this point. He's an exciting talent for sure but he's had only 7 F1 starts so far. Bring him in the team? Absolutely. He looks quick and competent. Make him lead driver? Er, no, not just yet


Max looks proven as he is driving a Redbull and won with it, if Leclerc was in the Ferrari he would have a race win or two under his belt as well.

well, yes, isn't that essentially what proven means? Max has shown he can win and compete at the sharp end. Leclerc looks like he may be capable of doing so, but so far hasn't had the opportunity to prove it.


Yes no doubt but there are some drivers you can tell.

It was like Vettel even while he was having first lap collisions at TR and Ascanelli said he was in no doubt Vettel in a front running car will be WDC.

I get what you are saying, but this thread is about a hypothetical team build. Max isn't an average driver himself, so a TP would know that (s)he's getting arguably one of the best on the grid at the moment if (s)he were to build a team around him. There's not that much of a downside. With Leclerc, it's a bigger gamble, that's all.


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OK, so first of all, why are so many hell-bent on writing 'LeClerc' with capital C? It's Leclerc guys :)

Secondly, at this point, probably Verstappen. Leclerc does look like a highly exciting prospect, doing very impressive things, but too hard to say how he'll do at the pointy end. You'd be taking somewhat of a leap of faith.

I feel like there's too much emphasis on Verstappen's start of the season - he's in his fourth season of F1 and he has been excellent overall.

He's been fast, I'm not so sure about the being excellent overall?

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Leclerc any day of the week. He is just as good, probably even better since he brings the car home. He accepts his mistakes in a humble way because he is a humble person.
Verstappen is a great driver when he brings the car home but he can't accept blame and he has the biggest sense of entitlement I've seen.

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OK, so first of all, why are so many hell-bent on writing 'LeClerc' with capital C? It's Leclerc guys :)

Secondly, at this point, probably Verstappen. Leclerc does look like a highly exciting prospect, doing very impressive things, but too hard to say how he'll do at the pointy end. You'd be taking somewhat of a leap of faith.

I feel like there's too much emphasis on Verstappen's start of the season - he's in his fourth season of F1 and he has been excellent overall.

He's been fast, I'm not so sure about the being excellent overall?


As I said, too much emphasis is being put on what is ultimately not that big of a list of errors.

Most sites and polls have had him, for the previous two years, very high up in the driver rankings. Talking about top 4. You cannot label that as anything other than excellent I think.

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mds wrote:
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mds wrote:
OK, so first of all, why are so many hell-bent on writing 'LeClerc' with capital C? It's Leclerc guys :)

Secondly, at this point, probably Verstappen. Leclerc does look like a highly exciting prospect, doing very impressive things, but too hard to say how he'll do at the pointy end. You'd be taking somewhat of a leap of faith.

I feel like there's too much emphasis on Verstappen's start of the season - he's in his fourth season of F1 and he has been excellent overall.

He's been fast, I'm not so sure about the being excellent overall?


As I said, too much emphasis is being put on what is ultimately not that big of a list of errors.

Most sites and polls have had him, for the previous two years, very high up in the driver rankings. Talking about top 4. You cannot label that as anything other than excellent I think.

I would have him that high as well but mine is more performance related rather than who has had the least crashes thrown in as well, to that point I would always rate him above Ricciardo.

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