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I was pointing towards his denial of any of the blame and how it was all placed on webber. You're right, on the track he turned it round. But I'm sure when he's in the thick of it and isn't able to go sailing past everyone i think he can and probably will show his ugly side.

I don't think thats necessarily a bad thing though, I just don't understand the insistence that he is the perfect person all the time – maybe its just cos he's the man of the moment.

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Absolutely agree with you there, you've perfectly summed up the majority of posters on this forum. It amazes me the number of times a supporter of driver A will run down driver B in order to show how good there own driver is.
I've been a supporter of Lewis since I first heard he was coming to formula 1, there's something about Seb that just gets under my skin. Lewis is an awesome driver with some fantastic skills, Seb is an awesome driver with some fantastic skills.

Today Lewis was not on form and quite rightly disappointed after the race.

Today Seb showed that he is a deserved 2x champ and was rightly happy about his race performance.

See how easy it is to support a driver and the sport at the same time

I'm sorry, but in that case I understand you even less. As far as I can remember, 'denial of blame' happened just that one time in Turkey. How can you "be sure" something that happened once in 82 races, once in 5 years, will happen again?

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Amen. I think it's also kind of sad. Formula One can be such an amazing thing to watch if you can appreciate the talents and moments of greatness of all the drivers. If your appreciation is clouded by another driver's talents, you're just ruining Formula One for yourself.

Ah well, it often happens people like us end up talking to eachother.

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And let's not forget his move on Alonso last year. I don't care what you say, the was a ballsy move.

I personally am not saying he is at LH level, Vettel would have taken somebody out if he was at LH level. I'm saying Vettel is better. I personally think this is going to be a great year of racing, and I look forward to the reasons why Vettel wins each race with baited breath. I have Austrailia down.

Austrailia - Vettel not that good, got lucky with the SC.

I am not a fan of Vettel, but he reminded me of Alonso in the second half of 2005 - you know, when Kimi was faster but Alonso did exactly what had to be done to get the championship ( and I am a Kimi fan ). So, I think Seb is a worthy champion like Fernando is, without considering other aspects.

The point iam making is this race done nothing to show Seb is the best in the buisness. The only real work he had to do was rosberg, thats it, so we learnt what about Seb today ? Nothing is what.

That entirely depends on what you feel you need to learn about Vettel. There are still people saying he can't overtake, crumbles under pressure, can't perform in a slower car, etc. People that are still desillusional like that, should consider themselves to have learned something today.

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A fantastic drive from 6th to 2nd. But I'm a long time fan who never required "proof" of anything. I don't even understand that idea... If a driver makes it into F1 and succeeds, then you have all the proof you need. I am also a fan of Perez and I don't sit around making up scenarios for him to achieve in order for him to prove himself. That is farcical to me - and simply an excuse to not recognize brilliance - even when it is right before one's eyes.

Yeah, I need proof that a driver can make 15 poles in 1 season before I can say he is 'great' or even 'good' or a 'racer' Oh there is only 1 driver who has done that? Well what do you know? How do you like that? I guess there is one great and good real racer on the grid - just my luck! LOL.

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But he needed more races to beat the previous record

As for brilliant drive. Where does that come from? 2 in front of him went backwards off the start. One DNF'd due to mechanical issues and he had to pass one car on track.

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Disclaimer: The above post maybe tongue in cheek.

"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual."

It's up to you if you think it's not brilliant. In my opinion it is brilliant. The 2 going backwards means they failed yesterday. And the DNF is not a reason why he couldn't move farther to the front, it was only a matter of time before he overtook MSC, give him 2 more laps and MSC's tyres had worn out. Vettel did the maximum that he could, that's brilliant for me. Passing an equal car (or even faster at that early stage) very cleanly is also brilliant for me.

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