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Wasn't denigrating F1 in anyway just really trying to raise awareness for those who focus 100% on F1 for their motorsport fix. Bit like people who say all modern music is pants based on what is in the charts.

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I've been trying to watch the F2 more this season and what I have seen so far has been great. Not sure what to make of the Italian commentator though, he's either a genious or a lunatic.


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I've been trying to watch the F2 more this season and what I have seen so far has been great. Not sure what to make of the Italian commentator though, he's either a genious or a lunatic.

He's actually a former GP2 Champion, he's there because the viewers love his commentary.

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If you slow the cars down then you will get better racing but then fans start to complain the cars are too slow, remember 2014.

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Totally agree, I'm thoroughly enjoying F2 this season. The quality of the racing shows what F1 could be if the cars could follow each other more easily. Also it's interesting to see that the drivers seem much more fair and respectful of each other when racing wheel-to-wheel than the F1 drivers. Perhaps it's just that there is no need to push the other driver off the track or swerve in front of him down the straight when you get plenty of opportunities to overtake during the race; I think the difficulty of overtaking in F1 has created a "now or never" attitude that causes the drivers to push the boundaries much more.

MotoGP I struggle with a little more, I'm just not interested in bikes in general. Never had any interest in riding one myself, at any speed.


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Lojik wrote:
I've been trying to watch the F2 more this season and what I have seen so far has been great. Not sure what to make of the Italian commentator though, he's either a genious or a lunatic.

I think Valsecchi is great! He could commentate on some weeds growing on my lawn and make it sound exhilarating. I appreciate he's not everyone's cup of tea though.


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Totally agree, I'm thoroughly enjoying F2 this season. The quality of the racing shows what F1 could be if the cars could follow each other more easily.


It's not just "following each other more easily". It's a consequence of having a spec car that is the same for everyone, barring minor setup adjustments. Pretty much all spec series offer exciting racing. A non-spec series, like F1, inherently favors car over driver. Unless you have a non-spec series with BoP or EoT or whatever.
So F1 through its very nature will have a broader spectrum of performance between top and bottom teams than any spec series will (however there can be chasm between drivers).

Just take a look at this - the first F1 race ever: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950_British_Grand_Prix
3 cars on the lead lap. The entire season there were only 2 non-Alfa cars who managed to finish on the same lap as the winners, all of which were Alfa's.

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To answer to the main thread topic: I love F2, as I loved GP2 and FR3.5, as I love F3 and FR2.0, and pretty much any kind of racing.
There's two main things I like about following F1's feeder series:
1. The competitiveness and fierce racing of youngsters who are all vying for the spotlight with one goal in mind - F1
2. The fact you get to know already quite a bit of the future F1 drivers. Once they then get into F1, you know and see what they've done, where they are coming from, etc. For example Leclerc this year - a few years ago you would have already been able to suspect he'd be in F1 one day. But there are things added to his story. Like his dad passing away, and him turning up the next racing weekend and almost managing a double win F2 weekend. Or like his memorable last-lap battle with Albon in his last race in F2 which he absolutely wanted to win - take a look at it if you will :) => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpGAvRwcBRw


For the same reasons, I also like following Moto3 and Moto2 in addition to MotoGP.

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mds wrote:
To answer to the main thread topic: I love F2, as I loved GP2 and FR3.5, as I love F3 and FR2.0, and pretty much any kind of racing.
There's two main things I like about following F1's feeder series:
1. The competitiveness and fierce racing of youngsters who are all vying for the spotlight with one goal in mind - F1
2. The fact you get to know already quite a bit of the future F1 drivers. Once they then get into F1, you know and see what they've done, where they are coming from, etc. For example Leclerc this year - a few years ago you would have already been able to suspect he'd be in F1 one day. But there are things added to his story. Like his dad passing away, and him turning up the next racing weekend and almost managing a double win F2 weekend. Or like his memorable last-lap battle with Albon in his last race in F2 which he absolutely wanted to win - take a look at it if you will :) => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpGAvRwcBRw


For the same reasons, I also like following Moto3 and Moto2 in addition to MotoGP.

I realise I'm probably in the minority here but....he punted the other driver out of the way. Don't get why that was allowed, tbh


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I understand your view. But as a whole that was a pretty exhilerating battle. And exactly the stuff you expect to see in F2.

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mds wrote:
I understand your view. But as a whole that was a pretty exhilerating battle. And exactly the stuff you expect to see in F2.

I do like the fact that it was close and the cars were able to follow each other and I don't mean to put a downer on it. I just have a pet hate about bumper car scenarios - it just doesn't sit well with me and is something I have a hard time turning a blind eye to. Just about everybody else seems to accept it though so i guess it's something I have to work on!


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Where can I watch F2 without SKY? is it online?


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George Russell takes pole again in Silverstone.

I really hope that we see him in Formula 2 next season.


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George Russell takes pole again in Silverstone.

I really hope that we see him in Formula 2 next season.

I'm guessing you mean F1?

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pokerman wrote:
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George Russell takes pole again in Silverstone.

I really hope that we see him in Formula 2 next season.

I'm guessing you mean F1?

lol yes.

I think he's ready. He was impressive yet again today.

I find it weird how both ART drivers got penalized speeding in the pitlane, it makes me wonder if there was some kind of software glitch on the car :?:


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Russell is so impressive. Really want to see him in F1 soon. :)


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It was interesting to see that on tyres that were not degrading badly how easily both Russell and Norris were able to breeze past Markelov, F2 should showcase the fastest drivers not ones that can nanny their tyres.

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http://www.skysports.com/motorsport/new ... four-races

Well.... wow.

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http://www.skysports.com/motorsport/news/15749/11430603/ferrucci-banned-for-four-races

Well.... wow.

Always nice to see a tosser get what he deserves :nod:

That overtake on 2 cars from Norris earlier was incredible, he and Russell stole the show in the sprint race.


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http://www.skysports.com/motorsport/news/15749/11430603/ferrucci-banned-for-four-races

Well.... wow.


Indeed - wow!


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Just caught F2 race 2. Great stuff again. Some great driving throughout but again Russel and Norris steal the show. It's going to be quite a title fight, but momentum is definitely with Russel and he is looking really classy.

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http://www.skysports.com/motorsport/news/15749/11430603/ferrucci-banned-for-four-races

Well.... wow.


WoW indeed. Not the ban but the fact that he isnt booted out of the series and Haas yet. What a douchebag on the track and from the news that is coming out now, racist douchebag at that.


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http://www.skysports.com/motorsport/news/15749/11430603/ferrucci-banned-for-four-races
Well.... wow.

Wow, crazy. I missed the race, but it sounds like he should be dropped from the series and definitely from his team. :thumbdown:

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http://www.skysports.com/motorsport/news/15749/11430603/ferrucci-banned-for-four-races

Well.... wow.

I wonder what his background is given how far he has been able to get in the sport with so little results, Haas F1 development driver, takes part in F1 tests, also competes in F2, rich kid?

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Was going to link to some tweet that this idiot Ferrucci retweeted as if his behaviour was showing of an "American spirit, being outspoken" but apparently he has deleted it along with that reply to SkySports.

The only thing I'm wondering at this point is why Haas haven't yet responded with immediate breach of his development driver contract.

It's not that he was ever a real candidate for an F1 drive but damn, that's one gigantic mess he made there and I guess it'll be the end of his European single seater career.

Again, what an idiot.

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mds wrote:
Was going to link to some tweet that this idiot Ferrucci retweeted as if his behaviour was showing of an "American spirit, being outspoken" but apparently he has deleted it along with that reply to SkySports.

The only thing I'm wondering at this point is why Haas haven't yet responded with immediate breach of his development driver contract.

It's not that he was ever a real candidate for an F1 drive but damn, that's one gigantic mess he made there and I guess it'll be the end of his European single seater career.

Again, what an idiot.


Completely agree.

On the other hand, Ticktum is now a Red Bull junior and a potential STR F1 driver. So, Ferrucchi's career may be revived as well. Then again, Ticktum has shown much more talent along with his antics.


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Ok so I've no idea if this is legit but I have seen a picture of Ferrucci posing with Mike Pence and putting the "MAGA" slogan on it, which does lend a bit of credence to this.


https://twitter.com/DannyBrennan72/stat ... 55457?s=19

Seems he wanted to run a "Trump - Make America Great Again" livery this weekend and this was rejected by the FIA.

Wonder where he learnt his immature tweeting from ;)


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This story keeps getting better. Or worse, depending on your point of view.

Thing is, this actually surprises me quite a bit. I saw some sort of short documentary on him some years ago in which he seemed like a rather timid, honest and humble kind of guy. How that has changed...

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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Ok so I've no idea if this is legit but I have seen a picture of Ferrucci posing with Mike Pence and putting the "MAGA" slogan on it, which does lend a bit of credence to this.


https://twitter.com/DannyBrennan72/stat ... 55457?s=19

Seems he wanted to run a "Trump - Make America Great Again" livery this weekend and this was rejected by the FIA.

Wonder where he learnt his immature tweeting from ;)


The guys over on Autosport seem to think he actually ran the livery with the slogon on last race and was asking to do it again. Lots of talk about Ferruci and his father both making mocking comments in crude Indian accents around Arjun, which if true, clearly isn't cricket.

Either way, this 4 race ban is moot, he's talked and walked himself straight out of any single seater this side of the Atlantic. Maybe he was practicing for a future in NASCAR? You know you've well and truly ****ed up when your own team goes to the stewards to testify against you.

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mds wrote:
This story keeps getting better. Or worse, depending on your point of view.

Thing is, this actually surprises me quite a bit. I saw some sort of short documentary on him some years ago in which he seemed like a rather timid, honest and humble kind of guy. How that has changed...


Not to cast doubt on whatever documentary you've watched, but https://www.gq.com/story/santino-ferrucci-the-most-dominant-american-racer doesn't make pretty reading... looks like even as an 11 year old he was an utter *mumble*.

Edit: He's no longer listed as a Haas driver on his twitter bio either, looks like the piper came calling.

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This story keeps getting better. Or worse, depending on your point of view.

Thing is, this actually surprises me quite a bit. I saw some sort of short documentary on him some years ago in which he seemed like a rather timid, honest and humble kind of guy. How that has changed...


Not to cast doubt on whatever documentary you've watched, but https://www.gq.com/story/santino-ferrucci-the-most-dominant-american-racer doesn't make pretty reading... looks like even as an 11 year old he was an utter *mumble*.

Edit: He's no longer listed as a Haas driver on his twitter bio either, looks like the piper came calling.


I don't know, it might have painted him in a better light. It's all moot now anyway :)

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Ferrucci is a talentless imposter who seems to have got lucky by being a) American and b) well-funded at the exact time Haas were looking for a young American driver to try to bring into F1. He did nothing of note in F3, did nothing of note in GP3, and has done nothing of note in F2. If I can now change that to 'did nothing of note in F2' then the series will be improved. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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Ferrucci is a talentless imposter who seems to have got lucky by being a) American and b) well-funded at the exact time Haas were looking for a young American driver to try to bring into F1. He did nothing of note in F3, did nothing of note in GP3, and has done nothing of note in F2. If I can now change that to 'did nothing of note in F2' then the series will be improved. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Harsh, but true. x(

And I wouldn't be at all surprised if the MAGA hat thing is real. Talentless bullies are drawn to others of their kind, so I'm sure to him Trump is a great role model.

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Silly Santino... he should surely know that you need some F1 world championships under your belt before you can get away with crashing into someone deliberately ;)

I jest, but in all seriousness we have seen more serious instances of deliberate collisions in F1 with far more lenient penalties dished out. Or even no penalty at all. Maybe that's where he got the idea.


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I jest, but in all seriousness we have seen more serious instances of deliberate collisions in F1 with far more lenient penalties dished out. Or even no penalty at all. Maybe that's where he got the idea.


It's not just the hit. It's all of it together.

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I jest, but in all seriousness we have seen more serious instances of deliberate collisions in F1 with far more lenient penalties dished out. Or even no penalty at all. Maybe that's where he got the idea.


It's not just the hit. It's all of it together.


Quite frankly I’m glad they threw the book at him. Maybe it is a harsh penalty but at the end of the day, these kids are supposed to be learning and in a situation like this, you have to come down hard otherwise they can think such behaviour is acceptable.

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mds wrote:
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I jest, but in all seriousness we have seen more serious instances of deliberate collisions in F1 with far more lenient penalties dished out. Or even no penalty at all. Maybe that's where he got the idea.


It's not just the hit. It's all of it together.

Is it? Not sure that's clear in the article. I guess the only additional piece of info we are given that does make it worse is that the team told the stewards it was a premeditated action and that there is clearly some long-running feud between the two drivers, which presumably originates from Maini being better.

Anyway he sounds a thoroughly deplorable individual. Let's hope we've seen the last of him in a racing car. I highly doubt Trident will take him back following his ban.


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As much I am anxious to see US talent: This is something I will not slide. If I was Gunther, I would give Ed Carpenter and AJ Foyt a call so they can give him a mouthful like Ed did in Iowa in 2015.

Who can remember Ed's mouthful on Sage?

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j man wrote:
mds wrote:
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I jest, but in all seriousness we have seen more serious instances of deliberate collisions in F1 with far more lenient penalties dished out. Or even no penalty at all. Maybe that's where he got the idea.


It's not just the hit. It's all of it together.

Is it? Not sure that's clear in the article. I guess the only additional piece of info we are given that does make it worse is that the team told the stewards it was a premeditated action and that there is clearly some long-running feud between the two drivers, which presumably originates from Maini being better.


What makes it worse as well is him not turning up twice to the steward's office when summoned. Discipline in racing is highly important given the inherent dangers of it, and while colliding on purpose is highly frowned upon, ignoring the organisation when the red mist has cleared makes it all the more offensive.

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Anyway he sounds a thoroughly deplorable individual. Let's hope we've seen the last of him in a racing car. I highly doubt Trident will take him back following his ban.


I guess he'll find a seat in the USA.

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