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Will the podium ceremony be now gone from our television programming? :?: :?: :?:
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No interviews for the attending crowd? From Parc Ferme with quick interviews to the podium with no interviews and then to the closed press conference.

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Thats a shame

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I don't think the parc fermé interviews worked very well. You get much more considered and informative responses from the drivers after they've had a few minutes to cool off. No one is going to react well to having a microphone thrust in their face just mere seconds after getting out of the car following nearly 2 hours of racing.


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I don't think the parc fermé interviews worked very well. You get much more considered and informative responses from the drivers after they've had a few minutes to cool off. No one is going to react well to having a microphone thrust in their face just mere seconds after getting out of the car following nearly 2 hours of racing.

While I agree that's probably true, I don't think that this Grand Prix was the best measure of that because Hamilton wasn't jubilant about winning the race, so it put a bit of a downer on it. I think they were hoping to capture the crazy excitement of when the driver runs up to his mechanics and hug them, but with Hamilton feeling he didn't deserve the win it meant that wasn't there.


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Poor choice, in my opinion. But we'll have to see it a few times to know how it really worked out. They're probably just trying to provoke a non-scripted reaction from the drivers, but I think the spectacle will be diminished for those who are actually present and would be watching the podium interviews.

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I dont see them sticking to this for very long..... You think they wont interview on the podium on a track such as Monza with a ferrari on the podium. The fia will change their tune.

It makes no sense to take something away that actually adds to the sport and makes the drivers more personable.

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The podium interviews have been a part of the Formula 1 weekend and a fitting end to the race for as long as I can remember going back into the 1970s. Would be a shame to lose them now. In my opinion this is much more important to the tradition of Formula 1 than the grid girls window dressing.


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Mort Canard wrote:
The podium interviews have been a part of the Formula 1 weekend and a fitting end to the race for as long as I can remember going back into the 1970s. Would be a shame to lose them now. In my opinion this is much more important to the tradition of Formula 1 than the grid girls window dressing.


I'm surprised you say that. Didn't they come in a few years ago? I didn't watch in the 70s but they weren't around until recently

I quite like the podium interviews as the drivers have literally a good platform to talk about the race

The first attempt in Azerbaijan seemed rushed and chaotic but it was the first attempt


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The podium interviews have been a part of the Formula 1 weekend and a fitting end to the race for as long as I can remember going back into the 1970s. Would be a shame to lose them now. In my opinion this is much more important to the tradition of Formula 1 than the grid girls window dressing.


I'm surprised you say that. Didn't they come in a few years ago? I didn't watch in the 70s but they weren't around until recently

I quite like the podium interviews as the drivers have literally a good platform to talk about the race

The first attempt in Azerbaijan seemed rushed and chaotic but it was the first attempt


Going back it looks like my memory was playing tricks on me. The press conferences were always part of the program AFTER the podium ceremony. Still there was always a gap between Parc Ferme and when the drivers faced questions.

An oldie but a goodie.


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No we will still see the podium ceremony. The interviews have just been moved from on the podium to before it in parc ferme.

Personally I'd like the drivers to go straight to the podium from the cars and do the interviews and stuff afterwards but to be honest I often don't even bother watching the podium anyway so the change really isn't that big of a deal for me.


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Mort Canard wrote:
jiminwatford wrote:
Mort Canard wrote:
The podium interviews have been a part of the Formula 1 weekend and a fitting end to the race for as long as I can remember going back into the 1970s. Would be a shame to lose them now. In my opinion this is much more important to the tradition of Formula 1 than the grid girls window dressing.


I'm surprised you say that. Didn't they come in a few years ago? I didn't watch in the 70s but they weren't around until recently

I quite like the podium interviews as the drivers have literally a good platform to talk about the race

The first attempt in Azerbaijan seemed rushed and chaotic but it was the first attempt


Going back it looks like my memory was playing tricks on me. The press conferences were always part of the program AFTER the podium ceremony. Still there was always a gap between Parc Ferme and when the drivers faced questions.

An oldie but a goodie.



I believe the podium interviews were introduced during the 2012 season.


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Silverstone 2012.

I was there watching Webber, Alonso and Vettel spray the champagne and all of a sudden Jackie Stewart appeared and gave them all microphones... I thought to myself 'this isn't normally what happens!'

I actually wasn't a fan, always preferred the press conference interviews but shortly after they grew on me.

MotoGP riders don't do it at all, which surprises me.

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MistaVega23 wrote:
Silverstone 2012.

I was there watching Webber, Alonso and Vettel spray the champagne and all of a sudden Jackie Stewart appeared and gave them all microphones... I thought to myself 'this isn't normally what happens!'

I actually wasn't a fan, always preferred the press conference interviews but shortly after they grew on me.

MotoGP riders don't do it at all, which surprises me.


MotoGP do it in parc ferme before going up to the podium.


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shoot999 wrote:
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Silverstone 2012.

I was there watching Webber, Alonso and Vettel spray the champagne and all of a sudden Jackie Stewart appeared and gave them all microphones... I thought to myself 'this isn't normally what happens!'

I actually wasn't a fan, always preferred the press conference interviews but shortly after they grew on me.

MotoGP riders don't do it at all, which surprises me.


MotoGP do it in parc ferme before going up to the podium.

Is it broadcast to the crowd though? I didn't think it was anyway...

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I say let's go back to how it was before, podium+ PC (broadcasted!). I hate the podium interviews and even more the parc ferme ones!

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I like the idea of podium interviews and presentation. Just the right amount of time to make a cuppa and have a pee.


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Interviews before the cool down room is total nonsence. I expect to see many drivers to refuse to speak if this is the case from now on. If they've just been seriousy unlucy to loose a win but still manage a podium. Bottas was not in a good mood at this stage last race. Give them a chance to rest first surely?! I really can't believe this. I don't feel these rules will remain the same somehow.


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Doesn't sound like the end of the podium ceremony at all based on that release. It's just the end of the podium interviews, which were near universally panned on here when they began. This new system seems like a more streamlined process.

I don't mind either way.

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Don't like this. I think if I were in the crowd I'd want the interview to be up on the podium as it is now. I will admit some of the podium interviews over the last few years have been pretty weak. If they do a good job of it, it won't matter though.


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It makes no sense to take something away that actually adds to the sport and makes the drivers more personable.


exactly. and we don't get to see the post race interviews anymore, anyway.


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j man wrote:
I don't think the parc fermé interviews worked very well. You get much more considered and informative responses from the drivers after they've had a few minutes to cool off. No one is going to react well to having a microphone thrust in their face just mere seconds after getting out of the car following nearly 2 hours of racing.

Agreed, I really miss the old interviews where the drivers sat at the table with pitures of juice while Peter Windsor asked them questions, and when he ventured out to start USF1 someone else took over the interviews.

Podium interviews always felt a bit meh and then you have those select few that are complete disasters, with interviewers having no idea about anything in f1. Just bad, awkward and downright embarrassing at times.

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j man wrote:
I don't think the parc fermé interviews worked very well. You get much more considered and informative responses from the drivers after they've had a few minutes to cool off. No one is going to react well to having a microphone thrust in their face just mere seconds after getting out of the car following nearly 2 hours of racing.

Agreed, I really miss the old interviews where the drivers sat at the table with pitures of juice while Peter Windsor asked them questions, and when he ventured out to start USF1 someone else took over the interviews.

Podium interviews always felt a bit meh and then you have those select few that are complete disasters, with interviewers having no idea about anything in f1. Just bad, awkward and downright embarrassing at times.

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When is Danny Ric going to do his shoe drinking from now on?


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j man wrote:
I don't think the parc fermé interviews worked very well. You get much more considered and informative responses from the drivers after they've had a few minutes to cool off. No one is going to react well to having a microphone thrust in their face just mere seconds after getting out of the car following nearly 2 hours of racing.

Agreed, I really miss the old interviews where the drivers sat at the table with pitures of juice while Peter Windsor asked them questions, and when he ventured out to start USF1 someone else took over the interviews.

Podium interviews always felt a bit meh and then you have those select few that are complete disasters, with interviewers having no idea about anything in f1. Just bad, awkward and downright embarrassing at times.


I also prefered the studio post race interviews. Most of the podium ones were flat out embarassing.


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When is Danny Ric going to do his shoe drinking from now on?

Well I doubt they're going to try and stop him doing that.

F1 have trademarked the word 'shoey'

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.inde ... html%3famp


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Podium interviews always felt a bit meh and then you have those select few that are complete disasters, with interviewers having no idea about anything in f1. Just bad, awkward and downright embarrassing at times.

Yes, but that's because they insisted on trucking in celebrities with no F1 knowledge to do them. If they'd stick to people who actually know what the heck they're talking about and have at least a modicum of charisma, I think the podium interview is the way to go.

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They only brought in the podium interviews from Britain 2012 onwards.
Always hated them, awkwardness.

The Parc Ferme, albeit only been one, could work better.
But overall the interviews with the top 3, behind a desk later on are the best.


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Where did you get that release?

It looks like a spoof to me. Wrong wording, missing words and spelling.

(not saying it is your spoof, but someone may have)


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moby wrote:
Where did you get that release?

It looks like a spoof to me. Wrong wording, missing words and spelling.

(not saying it is your spoof, but someone may have)


It's in the released Race Directors Notes and carried on FIA.com under Baku event and timing information.


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shoot999 wrote:
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Where did you get that release?

It looks like a spoof to me. Wrong wording, missing words and spelling.

(not saying it is your spoof, but someone may have)


It's in the released Race Directors Notes and carried on FIA.com under Baku event and timing information.



As You say, I see it there, but for a FIA document to have a word missing, and use of 'Once the drivers jump out of their cars' is very unlike official FIA documents.

Comoared to say, this- It looks suspect. But I suppose it has to be genuine to be on their web page.

2018 AZERBAIJAN GRAND PRIX
26 - 29 April 2018
Note to Teams
Post-qualifying interview procedures will remain as the previous Event, the top three drivers will again
be interviewed as soon as they get out of their cars on the track.
Should either of your drivers be among the top three at the end of qualifying we would like to ask for
your co-operation in following the procedure below :
-           If they take the chequered flag at the end of Q3 the fastest three drivers should not enter
the pit lane but proceed to the grid and stop in front of the usual 1-2-3 boards which will have
been placed on the track.
-           Other than the team mechanics (with cooling fans if necessary), officials and accredited
television crews and photographers, no one else will be allowed on the grid at this time (so please
no driver physios nor team PR personnel).
-           Once out of their cars the interviews will take place on the grid and, at the same time,
team mechanics should push the cars to the parc fermé underneath the podium.
-           If one of the top three drivers is in the pit lane at the end of the session the team should
ensure that he goes directly to the grid once the other drivers have arrived there.
-           At the end of the live interviews the drivers will be led to the backdrop for the AfRS photo
opportunity, the pole position driver should then remain in front of the backdrop to receive the
Pirelli Pole Position Award.
             These drivers will then be weighed inside the FIA garage.
-           The drivers will then be escorted by the FIA Media Delegate directly to the press
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The podium interviews have mostly been quite cringe-worthy. I only remember enjoying the one Sir Patrick Stewart did, but that guy has so much charisma he can make most things work.

The grid walk has also long become stale and samey. It was interesting at one point but nowadays I'd much rather just have the cameraman going around for the visuals while we get the sound of some proper interviews with people who actually want to talk, interspersed with some comments of what we are seeing.


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PS. MC how did you mount a PDF into the post please?


I think that is a screen shot of the pdf.


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Changes are not all good or bad.
Traditions are not all good or bad.

The podium interviews have devolved into the same old speeches: "Before I answer that let me
pause to tell the fans here in {insert Country/CityName} you are the best and I could not have done
it without my {insert TeamName} crew."

Getting the drivers comments salted with a little adrenaline might be exciting. Maybe this means that
the press room interviews may come back to the regular telecast.


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I am a fan of racing for many reasons, but the unpredictability and display of raw emotions are a few attractions. I definitely like the fact that the drivers will be interviewed immediately after the race.

I don't appreciate sterile and prepared crap, I prefer to see raw emotions and true reactions.

Look at these pictures, they vividly display the raw emotions of drivers and fans. And that is the kind of stuff that makes the sport great.

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I can see the thinking behind it "capture the moment", but from what I've seen, I don't think it works in reality. The drivers immediate concern is the connection with their team and the fans - and I love to see it. Also sometimes that moment of relief/disbelief when they first pull and just take a minute in the car. I don't think it's right for the driver to have to factor in a mic being shoved in their face right at this stage with the expectation to provide a soundbite. Just let them have moment - we see it in all it's glory, we see the awkward/entertaining moments in the waiting room and we see the joy of the podium (unless it's Kimi of course) . That's enough - give them a minute to do what they feel need to.

It also looks pretty awkward for the TV guy in the enclosure to be honest.

A change I don't think was needed or has worked.

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They are paid professionals. Treat them as adults, do not coddle them like they are fragile children.

Why should they be sheltered from their own emotions, and why should us fans be kept away from viewing the real drivers, not the prepared public relations machine?

Keep it raw, keep it real.

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Well the on track post Qualy interviews kept up the tradition of cringe-worthy-ness.


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Blinky McSquinty wrote:
They are paid professionals. Treat them as adults, do not coddle them like they are fragile children.

Why should they be sheltered from their own emotions, and why should us fans be kept away from viewing the real drivers, not the prepared public relations machine?

Keep it raw, keep it real.

These are 'practiced professionals' you get the same buzz word bull fairy cakes no matter when you stick a microphone in their face (at least among the podium inhabitants) - you want raw emotion - get those taken out by incidents as the step from their cars - Hulk would have had something today, so would Gasley.

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There's absolutely no reason to continue watching after the cars cross the finish line.

Earlier press conference were worth waiting for which were replaced by podium interviews which initially were not that great but it had it's moments especially with the right interviewer like Webber or Coulthard.

Now it's just horrible. Soon they will start doing what they do in cricket these days which is to interview a fielder or wicket keeper during the match. Liberty Media might conduct the interview over team radio itself the moment the driver finishes the race or worse interview a driver mid race post an overtake or a great defensive move.

I don't like every recent change - especially the annoying music that is supposed to be inspiring but just makes me cringe. There are some changes I like, like posting summarized version of practice sessions, qualifying and races on Youtube.

Why doesn't Liberty Media understand that Americanization does not work because they are butchering a product that is already trying to kill itself for years.


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PS. MC how did you mount a PDF into the post please?


Found the PDF on a Formula 1 news site and right now I can't remember which one.


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