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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 12:40 pm 
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We all know that Hamilton basically destroyed his race when he destroyed his first set of tyres with his lock up, but this actually triggered a series of events which lead him to winning the race.

First of all when he pitted for new tyres he came out in front of Verstappen, Verstappen had managed to pull a 3.2s gap to Ricciardo but then got held up for a few laps behind Hamilton as he struggled with warm up issues with his new tyres.

This allowed Ricciardo to get into DRS range of Verstappen and lead to the battle that ended up with them crashing into one another and bringing out the SC, which then lead to Vettel misjudging the restart locking up, damaging his tyres and falling back to 4th place, then Bottas whilst in the lead running over debris puncturing his rear tyre and retiring from the race, without the SC Hamilton was never going to win the race.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 12:49 pm 
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so basically what you are saying is that the stewards were wrong to split the blame between Ricciardo and Verstappen and they should have penalized Hamilton instead? :twisted:


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 1:03 pm 
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Ok, I don't get it, so what are you saying here then Poker?


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 1:15 pm 
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Isn't this an example of the "butterfly effect" that is that the time of formation of a tornado and the path taken by it can be influenced by minor changes such as the flapping of a butterfly's wings several weeks earlier.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 1:44 pm 
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I think whats trying to be said is that it was all part of Lewis' plan and he is next tier driving god compared to Vettel, Alonso, Ricciardo, Verstappen, Senna, Schumacher, Hakkinen, Stewart, Hill (both) and Sterling Moss


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 1:54 pm 
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stevey wrote:
I think whats trying to be said is that it was all part of Lewis' plan and he is next tier driving god compared to Vettel, Alonso, Ricciardo, Verstappen, Senna, Schumacher, Hakkinen, Stewart, Hill (both) and Sterling Moss

So just below Fangio?


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Siao7 wrote:
stevey wrote:
I think whats trying to be said is that it was all part of Lewis' plan and he is next tier driving god compared to Vettel, Alonso, Ricciardo, Verstappen, Senna, Schumacher, Hakkinen, Stewart, Hill (both) and Sterling Moss

So just below Fangio?
Fangio and Clark, this is about chaos after all! :-D

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Zoue wrote:
so basically what you are saying is that the stewards were wrong to split the blame between Ricciardo and Verstappen and they should have penalized Hamilton instead? :twisted:

Alas Hamilton was far too cunning. :)

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 2:33 pm 
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Ok, I don't get it, so what are you saying here then Poker?

Actually Option or Prime corrected me it's more an example of the butterfly effect.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 2:34 pm 
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Option or Prime wrote:
Isn't this an example of the "butterfly effect" that is that the time of formation of a tornado and the path taken by it can be influenced by minor changes such as the flapping of a butterfly's wings several weeks earlier.

That's the one although wouldn't the Chaos Theory be similar?

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 2:37 pm 
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stevey wrote:
I think whats trying to be said is that it was all part of Lewis' plan and he is next tier driving god compared to Vettel, Alonso, Ricciardo, Verstappen, Senna, Schumacher, Hakkinen, Stewart, Hill (both) and Sterling Moss

Or more of a better version of Dick Dastardly as all of his cunning plans went wrong? :)

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 2:55 pm 
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pokerman wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
Ok, I don't get it, so what are you saying here then Poker?

Actually Option or Prime corrected me it's more an example of the butterfly effect.

Oh, ok! I didn't see where this was going in the first post!


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For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the message was lost.
For want of a message the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 8:31 am 
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pokerman wrote:
without the SC Hamilton was never going to win the race.


I love people who think the can predict outcomes for a typical unpredictable race. If one car doesn't create a safety car.. some one else can.. it was coming..

You never know what might have happened and that's why it was a good race.


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Blinky McSquinty wrote:
For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the message was lost.
For want of a message the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.


Hence the expression ''Keep your hair on".

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 4:16 pm 
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Yes, a case of under performing or making a mistake and it ultimately aiding you to win. Similarly if Vettel had qualified ahead of Kimi in Australia, he likely wouldn't have won that race.


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Teddy007 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
without the SC Hamilton was never going to win the race.


I love people who think the can predict outcomes for a typical unpredictable race. If one car doesn't create a safety car.. some one else can.. it was coming..

You never know what might have happened and that's why it was a good race.

Who was predicting the outcome, I think you miss the point of the thread a driver makes a mistake which triggers a series of events that allows him to win a race he was never going to win.

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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 3:15 am 
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Didn't Lewis win in a similar manner by hitting the wall in Monaco in 2008? Pitting early allowed him to go long

I can see why he uses these powers sparingly so as not to attract attention :D


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The ability of Hamilton to read a race to such a level would not even be admitted by his doubters. Realising that destroying your tyres and pitting could put you in a position to ensure there would be debris on the track that would put you ahead of Bottas is just incredible skill in reading the race situation.


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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:34 am 
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jiminwatford wrote:
Didn't Lewis win in a similar manner by hitting the wall in Monaco in 2008? Pitting early allowed him to go long

I can see why he uses these powers sparingly so as not to attract attention :D

Yeah I remember that now although it that case it didn't trigger a series of lucky events.

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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:35 am 
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iano wrote:
The ability of Hamilton to read a race to such a level would not even be admitted by his doubters. Realising that destroying your tyres and pitting could put you in a position to ensure there would be debris on the track that would put you ahead of Bottas is just incredible skill in reading the race situation.

Nice sarcasm but I think you totally missed the point.

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Ah, he was only warming up in back then

In another 10 years he will accidentally insult one of his multinational sponsors with an ill-thought-out quip about a bilingual transgendered fan which, by association, leads that company to go bankrupt and because this company makes and maintains nuclear satellites one of their products falls into the Sun causing a kinetic reaction which raises its temperature by 10 degrees. So at the next grand prix everyone has to retire due to overheating except those cars painted silver who can reflect the extra light

Probably :)


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jiminwatford wrote:
Ah, he was only warming up in back then

In another 10 years he will accidentally insult one of his multinational sponsors with an ill-thought-out quip about a bilingual transgendered fan which, by association, leads that company to go bankrupt and because this company makes and maintains nuclear satellites one of their products falls into the Sun causing a kinetic reaction which raises its temperature by 10 degrees. So at the next grand prix everyone has to retire due to overheating except those cars painted silver who can reflect the extra light

Probably :)

I will run that one past him. ;)

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