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When ultrasofts tyres can last close to half race distances on average, the Hard tyre may complete the entire race on 1 set, if not for the mandatory pit stop for different compound. I don't see anyone using this compound other than in FP1.

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The only use for that hard tyre is as a coffee table.


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The only use for that hard tyre is as a coffee table.


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is this the only race in the calendar where the hard tyre is used?


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This plays too all of Mercedes strengths; the harder tyres, the lower gauge tyres, the aero track type and its even one of Vettels weaker tracks. The only question mark for me is reliability and VSC to stop Mercedes here.


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This plays too all of Mercedes strengths; the harder tyres, the lower gauge tyres, the aero track type and its even one of Vettels weaker tracks. The only question mark for me is reliability and VSC to stop Mercedes here.


Bottas should do well, Hamilton might be on the back foot from the start if they need to change a failed PU. I'm not expecting the Ferrari to be as poor as last year though.


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Hamilton won't get a penalty if he changes engine parts because he still has his 3rd engine. Both Mercedes drivers will also get new free new gearboxes too under the rules.


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is this the only race in the calendar where the hard tyre is used?


Suzuka and Brazil maybe?

Malaysia was one we saw it at but that's gone now unfortunately.

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Lojik wrote:
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This plays too all of Mercedes strengths; the harder tyres, the lower gauge tyres, the aero track type and its even one of Vettels weaker tracks. The only question mark for me is reliability and VSC to stop Mercedes here.


Bottas should do well, Hamilton might be on the back foot from the start if they need to change a failed PU. I'm not expecting the Ferrari to be as poor as last year though.


Anounced cause of the failures was hydraulic leak in power steering for Bottas and fuel pressure drop in Hamilton's car. Hopefully no damage to major systems.

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So a third DRS zone for Silverstone as well, optional depending on how brave the drivers feel using it as it's through corners: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13715 ... -challenge

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Its location is unique because, with the first Abbey right hander and the following Farm left hander both being flat out on low fuel, it means drivers will have the option of keeping their DRS open through the turns.


I imagine this should benefit Red Bull. Back when DRS was still allowed anywhere in the lap in qualifying they were able to use it better and more than anyone else, courtesy of their chassis. But probably not enough so to overcome the deficit to Ferrari and Mercedes.

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So a third DRS zone for Silverstone as well, optional depending on how brave the drivers feel using it as it's through corners: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13715 ... -challenge

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A third DRS zone has been placed on the circuit's start/finish straight as part of the FIA's continued push to attempt to improve overtaking opportunities in grands prix.

Its location is unique because, with the first Abbey right hander and the following Farm left hander both being flat out on low fuel, it means drivers will have the option of keeping their DRS open through the turns.


I imagine this should benefit Red Bull. Back when DRS was still allowed anywhere in the lap in qualifying they were able to use it better and more than anyone else, courtesy of their chassis. But probably not enough so to overcome the deficit to Ferrari and Mercedes.


My concern is that we saw in Austria following cars sacrificed a lot of time if they didn't stay in the DRS one second gap, but if they did stay within one second they overheated and used up their tires much faster than cars running in clean air. Lewis, Sebastian, and Daniel all blistered their tires trying to stay in DRS range. Max and Kimi didn't have much tire problems as they only ran in DRS range when lapping slower cars.

If Silverstone has three zones that will add a lot of heat and wear to the tires of cars in DRS range while the leader can just motor down the road in clean air.

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mds wrote:
So a third DRS zone for Silverstone as well, optional depending on how brave the drivers feel using it as it's through corners: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13715 ... -challenge

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A third DRS zone has been placed on the circuit's start/finish straight as part of the FIA's continued push to attempt to improve overtaking opportunities in grands prix.

Its location is unique because, with the first Abbey right hander and the following Farm left hander both being flat out on low fuel, it means drivers will have the option of keeping their DRS open through the turns.


I imagine this should benefit Red Bull. Back when DRS was still allowed anywhere in the lap in qualifying they were able to use it better and more than anyone else, courtesy of their chassis. But probably not enough so to overcome the deficit to Ferrari and Mercedes.


My concern is that we saw in Austria following cars sacrificed a lot of time if they didn't stay in the DRS one second gap, but if they did stay within one second they overheated and used up their tires much faster than cars running in clean air. Lewis, Sebastian, and Daniel all blistered their tires trying to stay in DRS range. Max and Kimi didn't have much tire problems as they only ran in DRS range when lapping slower cars.

If Silverstone has three zones that will add a lot of heat and wear to the tires of cars in DRS range while the leader can just motor down the road in clean air.

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mds wrote:
So a third DRS zone for Silverstone as well, optional depending on how brave the drivers feel using it as it's through corners: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13715 ... -challenge

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A third DRS zone has been placed on the circuit's start/finish straight as part of the FIA's continued push to attempt to improve overtaking opportunities in grands prix.

Its location is unique because, with the first Abbey right hander and the following Farm left hander both being flat out on low fuel, it means drivers will have the option of keeping their DRS open through the turns.


I imagine this should benefit Red Bull. Back when DRS was still allowed anywhere in the lap in qualifying they were able to use it better and more than anyone else, courtesy of their chassis. But probably not enough so to overcome the deficit to Ferrari and Mercedes.


My concern is that we saw in Austria following cars sacrificed a lot of time if they didn't stay in the DRS one second gap, but if they did stay within one second they overheated and used up their tires much faster than cars running in clean air. Lewis, Sebastian, and Daniel all blistered their tires trying to stay in DRS range. Max and Kimi didn't have much tire problems as they only ran in DRS range when lapping slower cars.

If Silverstone has three zones that will add a lot of heat and wear to the tires of cars in DRS range while the leader can just motor down the road in clean air.

The tyres are the new compound that was used in Spain and France, however, for precisely that reason. There should be less risk of blistering


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mds wrote:
So a third DRS zone for Silverstone as well, optional depending on how brave the drivers feel using it as it's through corners: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13715 ... -challenge

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A third DRS zone has been placed on the circuit's start/finish straight as part of the FIA's continued push to attempt to improve overtaking opportunities in grands prix.

Its location is unique because, with the first Abbey right hander and the following Farm left hander both being flat out on low fuel, it means drivers will have the option of keeping their DRS open through the turns.


I imagine this should benefit Red Bull. Back when DRS was still allowed anywhere in the lap in qualifying they were able to use it better and more than anyone else, courtesy of their chassis. But probably not enough so to overcome the deficit to Ferrari and Mercedes.


That was back when you could open the DRS anywhere, and the Red Bull generated so much downforce that they could open it very early on the exit of the corner.

Quite different now when the DRS zones are preset.


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mds wrote:
So a third DRS zone for Silverstone as well, optional depending on how brave the drivers feel using it as it's through corners: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13715 ... -challenge

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A third DRS zone has been placed on the circuit's start/finish straight as part of the FIA's continued push to attempt to improve overtaking opportunities in grands prix.

Its location is unique because, with the first Abbey right hander and the following Farm left hander both being flat out on low fuel, it means drivers will have the option of keeping their DRS open through the turns.


I imagine this should benefit Red Bull. Back when DRS was still allowed anywhere in the lap in qualifying they were able to use it better and more than anyone else, courtesy of their chassis. But probably not enough so to overcome the deficit to Ferrari and Mercedes.


That was back when you could open the DRS anywhere, and the Red Bull generated so much downforce that they could open it very early on the exit of the corner.

Quite different now when the DRS zones are preset.


It's not different if it's now supposed to be a zone where it's up to the driver being brave enough to open it... Ah we'll see.

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ah sorry, i didn't actually read the link, i just assumed it was a 3rd DRS zone on a straight. :blush:


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mds wrote:
So a third DRS zone for Silverstone as well, optional depending on how brave the drivers feel using it as it's through corners: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13715 ... -challenge

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A third DRS zone has been placed on the circuit's start/finish straight as part of the FIA's continued push to attempt to improve overtaking opportunities in grands prix.

Its location is unique because, with the first Abbey right hander and the following Farm left hander both being flat out on low fuel, it means drivers will have the option of keeping their DRS open through the turns.


I imagine this should benefit Red Bull. Back when DRS was still allowed anywhere in the lap in qualifying they were able to use it better and more than anyone else, courtesy of their chassis. But probably not enough so to overcome the deficit to Ferrari and Mercedes.


My concern is that we saw in Austria following cars sacrificed a lot of time if they didn't stay in the DRS one second gap, but if they did stay within one second they overheated and used up their tires much faster than cars running in clean air. Lewis, Sebastian, and Daniel all blistered their tires trying to stay in DRS range. Max and Kimi didn't have much tire problems as they only ran in DRS range when lapping slower cars.

If Silverstone has three zones that will add a lot of heat and wear to the tires of cars in DRS range while the leader can just motor down the road in clean air.

So we have extra DRS zones to aid overtaking then put the cars on tyres that can't take advantage of it, brilliant.

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That was also with exhaust blown diffusers that the Red Bull/Renault combo had mastered.

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Mort Canard wrote:
mds wrote:
So a third DRS zone for Silverstone as well, optional depending on how brave the drivers feel using it as it's through corners: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13715 ... -challenge

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A third DRS zone has been placed on the circuit's start/finish straight as part of the FIA's continued push to attempt to improve overtaking opportunities in grands prix.

Its location is unique because, with the first Abbey right hander and the following Farm left hander both being flat out on low fuel, it means drivers will have the option of keeping their DRS open through the turns.


I imagine this should benefit Red Bull. Back when DRS was still allowed anywhere in the lap in qualifying they were able to use it better and more than anyone else, courtesy of their chassis. But probably not enough so to overcome the deficit to Ferrari and Mercedes.


My concern is that we saw in Austria following cars sacrificed a lot of time if they didn't stay in the DRS one second gap, but if they did stay within one second they overheated and used up their tires much faster than cars running in clean air. Lewis, Sebastian, and Daniel all blistered their tires trying to stay in DRS range. Max and Kimi didn't have much tire problems as they only ran in DRS range when lapping slower cars.

If Silverstone has three zones that will add a lot of heat and wear to the tires of cars in DRS range while the leader can just motor down the road in clean air.

So we have extra DRS zones to aid overtaking then put the cars on tyres that can't take advantage of it, brilliant.

Once again, the tyres are the same spec as Spain and France, so therefore more heat resistant and nothing like the ones in Austria


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Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Mort Canard wrote:
mds wrote:
So a third DRS zone for Silverstone as well, optional depending on how brave the drivers feel using it as it's through corners: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13715 ... -challenge

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A third DRS zone has been placed on the circuit's start/finish straight as part of the FIA's continued push to attempt to improve overtaking opportunities in grands prix.

Its location is unique because, with the first Abbey right hander and the following Farm left hander both being flat out on low fuel, it means drivers will have the option of keeping their DRS open through the turns.


I imagine this should benefit Red Bull. Back when DRS was still allowed anywhere in the lap in qualifying they were able to use it better and more than anyone else, courtesy of their chassis. But probably not enough so to overcome the deficit to Ferrari and Mercedes.


My concern is that we saw in Austria following cars sacrificed a lot of time if they didn't stay in the DRS one second gap, but if they did stay within one second they overheated and used up their tires much faster than cars running in clean air. Lewis, Sebastian, and Daniel all blistered their tires trying to stay in DRS range. Max and Kimi didn't have much tire problems as they only ran in DRS range when lapping slower cars.

If Silverstone has three zones that will add a lot of heat and wear to the tires of cars in DRS range while the leader can just motor down the road in clean air.

So we have extra DRS zones to aid overtaking then put the cars on tyres that can't take advantage of it, brilliant.

Once again, the tyres are the same spec as Spain and France, so therefore more heat resistant and nothing like the ones in Austria

But the rest of the races aren't those tyres.

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pokerman wrote:
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My concern is that we saw in Austria following cars sacrificed a lot of time if they didn't stay in the DRS one second gap, but if they did stay within one second they overheated and used up their tires much faster than cars running in clean air. Lewis, Sebastian, and Daniel all blistered their tires trying to stay in DRS range. Max and Kimi didn't have much tire problems as they only ran in DRS range when lapping slower cars.

If Silverstone has three zones that will add a lot of heat and wear to the tires of cars in DRS range while the leader can just motor down the road in clean air.

So we have extra DRS zones to aid overtaking then put the cars on tyres that can't take advantage of it, brilliant.

Once again, the tyres are the same spec as Spain and France, so therefore more heat resistant and nothing like the ones in Austria

But the rest of the races aren't those tyres.

but the discussion was about Silverstone?


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Zoue wrote:
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My concern is that we saw in Austria following cars sacrificed a lot of time if they didn't stay in the DRS one second gap, but if they did stay within one second they overheated and used up their tires much faster than cars running in clean air. Lewis, Sebastian, and Daniel all blistered their tires trying to stay in DRS range. Max and Kimi didn't have much tire problems as they only ran in DRS range when lapping slower cars.

If Silverstone has three zones that will add a lot of heat and wear to the tires of cars in DRS range while the leader can just motor down the road in clean air.

So we have extra DRS zones to aid overtaking then put the cars on tyres that can't take advantage of it, brilliant.

Once again, the tyres are the same spec as Spain and France, so therefore more heat resistant and nothing like the ones in Austria

But the rest of the races aren't those tyres.

but the discussion was about Silverstone?

I was referencing Austria, going forward these are the tyres to be used at the rest of the tracks.

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That was also with exhaust blown diffusers that the Red Bull/Renault combo had mastered.


And the driver trusting the car to stick to the tarmac against all his instincts, as it was counter intuitive.


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Ferrari are getting a new floor to Silverstone. If the Floor delivers an improved performance coupled with potential engine penalties (don't know as of now) for Mercedes, could make this weekend an extended agony for Mercedes.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-to-bring-new-floor-to-the-british-grand-prix-1055868/

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Ferrari are getting a new floor to Silverstone. If the Floor delivers an improved performance coupled with potential engine penalties (don't know as of now) for Mercedes, could make this weekend an extended agony for Mercedes.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-to-bring-new-floor-to-the-british-grand-prix-1055868/

Interesting, though from what's been said about the failures they seem unrelated to the PU upgrade or restricted parts of the engine, so unless they've had a knock on effect when they went (which I'd doubt) Merc should be OK.


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Kevin Magnussen's scrubby & corner cutting lap of Silverstone:


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Kevin Magnussen's scrubby & corner cutting lap of Silverstone:

KMag is garbage at F1 2017. I should have his seat! :lol:

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Warm temperatures with no chance of rain expected during the British Grand Prix weekend:
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Exediron wrote:
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Kevin Magnussen's scrubby & corner cutting lap of Silverstone:

KMag is garbage at F1 2017. I should have his seat! :lol:


If that is how the haas performs in Silverstone I May have to reconsider putting him in my predictions this week.

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It's interesting that for all the progress Honda have made on the power side they are still suffering fairly badly with reliability

Well Red Bull will only care about the development this year, and I expect pushing them ready for next year. Wouldn't worry about it, TR are just a test bed for this season...


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Mayhem wrote:
Exediron wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
Kevin Magnussen's scrubby & corner cutting lap of Silverstone:

KMag is garbage at F1 2017. I should have his seat! :lol:


If that is how the haas performs in Silverstone I May have to reconsider putting him in my predictions this week.


He clearly didn't want to hang around and do a second lap!

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Zoue wrote:
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It's interesting that for all the progress Honda have made on the power side they are still suffering fairly badly with reliability


I'd imagine they have carte blanche from Red Bull to go to whatever extreme they feel like in search of performance this year regardless of penalties, as Red Bull wont be taking the pain this year but will see the benefit the next. I'd say that's probably the biggest differentiator to the attitude they got from McLaren, who absolutely _needed_ the engine to be reliable from the get go. Of course, that becomes moot if it's still a grenade in the back of the RB next year, but the trend seems to show that they are getting on top of that.

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Bottas is changing his engine as a precaution. The engine he used last weekend will be thoroughly checked before being used again in Germany.


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It's so bumpy that it's hard to watch the onboards.

Typical British bit of resurfacing making roads worse.




"This is the bumpiest track I've ever been on," says Hamilton as he starts another flying lap.


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