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Apparently Grosjean said that he thought drivers would spin if they tried turn 1 with DRS open. He's just proved himself right it seems :lol:


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GRO: "Car is destroyed. I'm very, very sorry guys"

https://www.autosport.com/f1/live/2792515/british-gp-friday-practice-2018


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Judging by his team radio, the problem may have been that Romain was unable to turn of DRS after riding a bump. "I missed the button," he told Haas. And in that blink of time, the Haas car got away from him and smacked into the barriers after skating through the gravel trap.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/live-blog


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Grosjean said the bump on the track meant he missed pressing the button to deactivate DRS.


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Grosjean said the bump on the track meant he missed pressing the button to deactivate DRS.


Ah, missed that.


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From @F1

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FP1 times compared

2016: 1:31.654s (Hamilton)
2017: 1:29.106s (Bottas)
2018: 1:27.487s (Hamilton)*


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They need to stop the drivers from abusing the second to last corner (turn 17).

They are going so wide.


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There is a little hope for Williams I see. At least for Stroll, as Sirotkin is utterly hopeless.

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Clarky wrote:
From @F1

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FP1 times compared

2016: 1:31.654s (Hamilton)
2017: 1:29.106s (Bottas)
2018: 1:27.487s (Hamilton)*


So only the top 6 cars were able to beat the best time by Bottas last year. Just more evidence how clear the top three teams are to the rest of the field. They are quite hopeless in catching up.


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How many drivers successfully took turn 1 with DRS open at racing speeds? I saw Ricciardo do it, there was one lap where Hamilton seemed to reactivate DRS after braking for turn 1 as I'm sure I saw the flap close but it was then open again after the apex, which I assume was preparation for taking the turn with it open. I'm going to assume Max did too.


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How many drivers successfully took turn 1 with DRS open at racing speeds? I saw Ricciardo do it, there was one lap where Hamilton seemed to reactivate DRS after braking for turn 1 as I'm sure I saw the flap close but it was then open again after the apex, which I assume was preparation for taking the turn with it open. I'm going to assume Max did too.

How it works.

You can reopen the DRS after turn 1 if you can flat through turn 1.

If you lift through turn 1 you can not reopen the DRS.


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Clarky wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
How many drivers successfully took turn 1 with DRS open at racing speeds? I saw Ricciardo do it, there was one lap where Hamilton seemed to reactivate DRS after braking for turn 1 as I'm sure I saw the flap close but it was then open again after the apex, which I assume was preparation for taking the turn with it open. I'm going to assume Max did too.

How it works.

You can reopen the DRS after turn 1 if you can flat through turn 1.

If you lift through turn 1 you can not reopen the DRS.

Interesting, I'll have to reread the rules about DRS usage as I assumed that once it was closed that was it. However, I'm fairly certain that I saw Ricciardo go through it without closing it though, but it could just be the footage didn't show him at the apex.


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Clarky wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
How many drivers successfully took turn 1 with DRS open at racing speeds? I saw Ricciardo do it, there was one lap where Hamilton seemed to reactivate DRS after braking for turn 1 as I'm sure I saw the flap close but it was then open again after the apex, which I assume was preparation for taking the turn with it open. I'm going to assume Max did too.

How it works.

You can reopen the DRS after turn 1 if you can flat through turn 1.

If you lift through turn 1 you can not reopen the DRS.


No such rules. You can keep braking and keep re-opening the DRS in the DRS zone if you so wish, or turn it off, lift off, turn it on again. It's up to you how much you use it in the DRS zone.


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IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
How many drivers successfully took turn 1 with DRS open at racing speeds? I saw Ricciardo do it, there was one lap where Hamilton seemed to reactivate DRS after braking for turn 1 as I'm sure I saw the flap close but it was then open again after the apex, which I assume was preparation for taking the turn with it open. I'm going to assume Max did too.

How it works.

You can reopen the DRS after turn 1 if you can flat through turn 1.

If you lift through turn 1 you can not reopen the DRS.


No such rules. You can keep braking and keep re-opening the DRS in the DRS zone if you so wish, or turn it off, lift off, turn it on again. It's up to you how much you use it in the DRS zone.

No not at this circuit.

If you lift you have to wait until the next detection zone.

This was all confirmed in FP1.


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Clarky wrote:
IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
How many drivers successfully took turn 1 with DRS open at racing speeds? I saw Ricciardo do it, there was one lap where Hamilton seemed to reactivate DRS after braking for turn 1 as I'm sure I saw the flap close but it was then open again after the apex, which I assume was preparation for taking the turn with it open. I'm going to assume Max did too.

How it works.

You can reopen the DRS after turn 1 if you can flat through turn 1.

If you lift through turn 1 you can not reopen the DRS.


No such rules. You can keep braking and keep re-opening the DRS in the DRS zone if you so wish, or turn it off, lift off, turn it on again. It's up to you how much you use it in the DRS zone.

No not at this circuit.

If you lift you have to wait until the next detection zone.

This was all confirmed in FP1.


I missed FP1. Why are they adding so many arbitrary alterations, and complicating things? It's a DRS zone, just let them use DRS in it, as they please.


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Vestappen has hit the wall.


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I think that gearbox maybe damaged as well now.


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IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:
Clarky wrote:
IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
How many drivers successfully took turn 1 with DRS open at racing speeds? I saw Ricciardo do it, there was one lap where Hamilton seemed to reactivate DRS after braking for turn 1 as I'm sure I saw the flap close but it was then open again after the apex, which I assume was preparation for taking the turn with it open. I'm going to assume Max did too.

How it works.

You can reopen the DRS after turn 1 if you can flat through turn 1.

If you lift through turn 1 you can not reopen the DRS.


No such rules. You can keep braking and keep re-opening the DRS in the DRS zone if you so wish, or turn it off, lift off, turn it on again. It's up to you how much you use it in the DRS zone.

No not at this circuit.

If you lift you have to wait until the next detection zone.

This was all confirmed in FP1.


I missed FP1. Why are they adding so many arbitrary alterations, and complicating things? It's a DRS zone, just let them use DRS in it, as they please.

Here is the relevant part of the regulations:
Latest F1 Sporting Regulations wrote:
For the sole purpose of improving overtaking opportunities during the race the
adjustable bodywork may be activated by the driver after he has completed two laps
after the race start or following a safety car period.

The driver may only activate the adjustable bodywork in the race when he has been
notified via the control electronics (see Article 8.2 of the F1 Technical Regulations) that
it is enabled. It will be enabled, and may only be used by the driver, if he is less than one
second behind another at any of the pre-determined detection points around each
circuit.

The system will be disabled by the control electronics the first time the driver uses the
brakes
after he has activated the system.

So in theory, if you never lifted, you could run the entire lap, opening and closing the DRS once you got within one second.


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Merc behind Ferrari on the qualy simulations. Surprised by that, I was expecting the Mercs to be ahead this weekend. I guess it is only FP2 but Ferrari normally improve more on the Saturday.


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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Here is the relevant part of the regulations:
Latest F1 Sporting Regulations wrote:
For the sole purpose of improving overtaking opportunities during the race the
adjustable bodywork may be activated by the driver after he has completed two laps
after the race start or following a safety car period.

The driver may only activate the adjustable bodywork in the race when he has been
notified via the control electronics (see Article 8.2 of the F1 Technical Regulations) that
it is enabled. It will be enabled, and may only be used by the driver, if he is less than one
second behind another at any of the pre-determined detection points around each
circuit.

The system will be disabled by the control electronics the first time the driver uses the
brakes
after he has activated the system.

So in theory, if you never lifted, you could run the entire lap, opening and closing the DRS once you got within one second.


I think there is something else in there about only being able to use DRS in the zones allocated, im sure we've seen people being investigated for using DRS outside of the DRS zones before, as well as using it when not within 1 second at the detection point.

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Will this be the first time this year Ferrari have topped a Friday session?

On paper and given the form over previous years this track should be all about Mercedes, perhaps the extremely high track temps playing a part because Ferrari look right there.


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JN23 wrote:
Merc behind Ferrari on the qualy simulations. Surprised by that, I was expecting the Mercs to be ahead this weekend. I guess it is only FP2 but Ferrari normally improve more on the Saturday.

FP2 times slower than FP1


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Clarky wrote:
Vestappen has hit the wall.


No other comments about this. maybe we are just desensitised to this happening now. But seriously does he not learn. I know he has talent but these just keep happening. Is he really just a bit how can i say, thick?

To me he is slowly moving from the nailed on WC to maybe the best driver never to win one. If he ever gets in a genuine championship battle i can see him throwing it away with these kind of nonsense incidents.


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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:
Clarky wrote:
IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:
Clarky wrote:
How it works.

You can reopen the DRS after turn 1 if you can flat through turn 1.

If you lift through turn 1 you can not reopen the DRS.


No such rules. You can keep braking and keep re-opening the DRS in the DRS zone if you so wish, or turn it off, lift off, turn it on again. It's up to you how much you use it in the DRS zone.

No not at this circuit.

If you lift you have to wait until the next detection zone.

This was all confirmed in FP1.


I missed FP1. Why are they adding so many arbitrary alterations, and complicating things? It's a DRS zone, just let them use DRS in it, as they please.

Here is the relevant part of the regulations:
Latest F1 Sporting Regulations wrote:
For the sole purpose of improving overtaking opportunities during the race the
adjustable bodywork may be activated by the driver after he has completed two laps
after the race start or following a safety car period.

The driver may only activate the adjustable bodywork in the race when he has been
notified via the control electronics (see Article 8.2 of the F1 Technical Regulations) that
it is enabled. It will be enabled, and may only be used by the driver, if he is less than one
second behind another at any of the pre-determined detection points around each
circuit.

The system will be disabled by the control electronics the first time the driver uses the
brakes
after he has activated the system.

So in theory, if you never lifted, you could run the entire lap, opening and closing the DRS once you got within one second.

Lifting and braking are different. Since the rules clearly state "... driver uses the brakes ..." one could argue that lifting, de-activating DRS and then re-enabling it is completely allowed.


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Clarky wrote:
JN23 wrote:
Merc behind Ferrari on the qualy simulations. Surprised by that, I was expecting the Mercs to be ahead this weekend. I guess it is only FP2 but Ferrari normally improve more on the Saturday.

FP2 times slower than FP1


Oh yeah - any particular reason for that?


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JN23 wrote:
Clarky wrote:
JN23 wrote:
Merc behind Ferrari on the qualy simulations. Surprised by that, I was expecting the Mercs to be ahead this weekend. I guess it is only FP2 but Ferrari normally improve more on the Saturday.

FP2 times slower than FP1


Oh yeah - any particular reason for that?


If I had to guess, track temps. It's really hot in UK atm.


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UnlikeUday wrote:


Does that mean Mercedes has the best engine now?
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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
How many drivers successfully took turn 1 with DRS open at racing speeds? I saw Ricciardo do it, there was one lap where Hamilton seemed to reactivate DRS after braking for turn 1 as I'm sure I saw the flap close but it was then open again after the apex, which I assume was preparation for taking the turn with it open. I'm going to assume Max did too.

How it works.

You can reopen the DRS after turn 1 if you can flat through turn 1.

If you lift through turn 1 you can not reopen the DRS.

Interesting, I'll have to reread the rules about DRS usage as I assumed that once it was closed that was it. However, I'm fairly certain that I saw Ricciardo go through it without closing it though, but it could just be the footage didn't show him at the apex.


Clarky is correct based on what was stated in fp1....

For this race as per Charlie whiting confirmed by sky coverage. In a attempt to increase safety, if a driver manually closes drs while still taking the corner flat out he can then re-activate drs after the apex BUT if at any point the driver lifts or brakes he will then lose the drs option.

Max Versteppen took turn 1 with drs open flat out during the Horner interview 20min into fp1. (there was 1:15 left on the clock) & riccardo 27min into fp1 (just before Sirotkin spun out)

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From Formula 1's official website:

Interestingly enough, these don't agree with Autosport's figures. Different sample and/or methods, I suppose?

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Gumption wrote:
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So in theory, if you never lifted, you could run the entire lap, opening and closing the DRS once you got within one second.

Lifting and braking are different. Since the rules clearly state "... driver uses the brakes ..." one could argue that lifting, de-activating DRS and then re-enabling it is completely allowed.

Lifting means the KERS will start to regenerate, and that is braking the car.


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nasty looking crash from Hartley


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suspension failure according to Hartley


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That could have been ugly. Lucky the car didn't turn over into the wall.

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