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If he only had some guidance from his dad. Could you imagine a race with both the Sr.'s at the pit lane and the Jr.'s on the track? And a possible car incident!!!

Well done to Mick, he should take time and cherish this moment, then see the opportunities open to him.


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Mick Schumacher F3 Champion, his dad would be proud.

What have I missed?

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Covalent wrote:
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Mick Schumacher F3 Champion, his dad would be proud.

What have I missed?

Wrong wording I guess.

As far as we know Schumie Sr. is conscious.


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Siao7 wrote:
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Mick Schumacher F3 Champion, his dad would be proud.

What have I missed?

Wrong wording I guess.

As far as we know Schumie Sr. is conscious.

Would he be aware though, I was assuming not?

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pokerman wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
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Mick Schumacher F3 Champion, his dad would be proud.

What have I missed?

Wrong wording I guess.

As far as we know Schumie Sr. is conscious.

Would he be aware though, I was assuming not?

Not sure. There were reports that he is, but who knows but a handful of people? I'm sure he'd be/is proud.


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Siao7 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
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Mick Schumacher F3 Champion, his dad would be proud.

What have I missed?

Wrong wording I guess.

As far as we know Schumie Sr. is conscious.

Would he be aware though, I was assuming not?

Not sure. There were reports that he is, but who knows but a handful of people? I'm sure he'd be/is proud.

In that case it would be good to hear that he is aware of his surroundings. :thumbup:

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There are reports he cries when he can hear his family's voices, I have to say I would find that extremely distressing!

https://www.aol.co.uk/sport/2018/08/24/michael-schumacher-cries-when-he-hears-familys-voices/?guccounter=1


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There are reports he cries when he can hear his family's voices, I have to say I would find that extremely distressing!

https://www.aol.co.uk/sport/2018/08/24/michael-schumacher-cries-when-he-hears-familys-voices/?guccounter=1


Yeah, that's what I remembered, the crying bit. What a sad story


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Option or Prime wrote:
There are reports he cries when he can hear his family's voices, I have to say I would find that extremely distressing!

https://www.aol.co.uk/sport/2018/08/24/michael-schumacher-cries-when-he-hears-familys-voices/?guccounter=1

Indeed, I hope that's not like him being trapped in a hidden prison if true?

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There are reports he cries when he can hear his family's voices, I have to say I would find that extremely distressing!

https://www.aol.co.uk/sport/2018/08/24/michael-schumacher-cries-when-he-hears-familys-voices/?guccounter=1

Indeed, I hope that's not like him being trapped in a hidden prison if true?

Unfortunately, while I am no expert on the subject, I believe there's a good chance that's exactly what it is. I know I've read stories of people waking up from comas and saying they were aware the whole time but unable to do anything about it. :(

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Exediron wrote:
pokerman wrote:
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There are reports he cries when he can hear his family's voices, I have to say I would find that extremely distressing!

https://www.aol.co.uk/sport/2018/08/24/michael-schumacher-cries-when-he-hears-familys-voices/?guccounter=1

Indeed, I hope that's not like him being trapped in a hidden prison if true?

Unfortunately, while I am no expert on the subject, I believe there's a good chance that's exactly what it is. I know I've read stories of people waking up from comas and saying they were aware the whole time but unable to do anything about it. :(

Maybe best not to think about it? :(

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“We are talking to some teams and putting together the best strategy for next year.” These are the words of Mick after having won the F3 title by 57 points. Am sure Ferrari is 1 of the teams.
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1032805/Mick-Schumacher-F1-news

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Something in the back of my head is telling me that the Formula 1 fans are setting themselves and Mick up for a significant disappointment. If he does not win multiple WDCs people will be decrying what could have been. Most sons of great racing drivers do not go on to eclipse their fathers careers. Witness Michael Andretti, Geoff, David, & Gary Brabham, Nelson Piquet Jr., & Justin Bell. In the wider world of motorsports we also have Al Unser Jr., Marco Andretti, Graham Rahal, P.J. Jones, Kyle Petty, Dale Earnhardt Jr., & Davey Allison among many, many others.

The few drivers who have equaled or surpassed their famous fathers would be Damon Hill, Max Verstappen, Nico Rosberg, & Keving Magnussen. Certainly Jacques Villeneuve had a better career than his dad Gilles but who can say what Gilles would have done with a long career.

With Michael's seven WDCs and 91 wins, the bar is certainly set high for young Mick. I am not inclined to jump on the bandwagon in hailing him as the next great driver in F1 just yet.

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UnlikeUday wrote:
“We are talking to some teams and putting together the best strategy for next year.” These are the words of Mick after having won the F3 title by 57 points. Am sure Ferrari is 1 of the teams.
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1032805/Mick-Schumacher-F1-news

Not for a 2019 F1 drive though.

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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13946 ... -get-to-f1

Hamilton thinks Mick will be in F1 without doubt. Interesting points about the father-son thing. F1 is really the only sport that works like this. I think it's because it's so expensive to get into racing that the talent pool is naturally severely limited.


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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/139463/hamilton-100%25-sure-schumacher-will-get-to-f1

Hamilton thinks Mick will be in F1 without doubt. Interesting points about the father-son thing. F1 is really the only sport that works like this. I think it's because it's so expensive to get into racing that the talent pool is naturally severely limited.

I don't think it's just F1 - I watch the National Hockey League, and there's sons of players showing up all the time. The difference is that since they're not taking one of only 20 spots on the global hockey roster available, they don't get anywhere near the same scrutiny.

(Drag racing is even more family-centered than F1, btw)

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Exediron wrote:
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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/139463/hamilton-100%25-sure-schumacher-will-get-to-f1

Hamilton thinks Mick will be in F1 without doubt. Interesting points about the father-son thing. F1 is really the only sport that works like this. I think it's because it's so expensive to get into racing that the talent pool is naturally severely limited.

I don't think it's just F1 - I watch the National Hockey League, and there's sons of players showing up all the time. The difference is that since they're not taking one of only 20 spots on the global hockey roster available, they don't get anywhere near the same scrutiny.

(Drag racing is even more family-centered than F1, btw)


In the US circle track racing such as Nascar, Usac, and even Indycar is also very familty centered with second generation drivers getting the benefit of very early starts and high quality rides during their early years before they go pro.

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Mort Canard wrote:
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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/139463/hamilton-100%25-sure-schumacher-will-get-to-f1

Hamilton thinks Mick will be in F1 without doubt. Interesting points about the father-son thing. F1 is really the only sport that works like this. I think it's because it's so expensive to get into racing that the talent pool is naturally severely limited.

I don't think it's just F1 - I watch the National Hockey League, and there's sons of players showing up all the time. The difference is that since they're not taking one of only 20 spots on the global hockey roster available, they don't get anywhere near the same scrutiny.

(Drag racing is even more family-centered than F1, btw)


In the US circle track racing such as Nascar, Usac, and even Indycar is also very familty centered with second generation drivers getting the benefit of very early starts and high quality rides during their early years before they go pro.


Lots of sports. NFL has tons of father-son...heck, even grand father, father son lines running through over the years. Kids are exposed to it all early and get excited about it. Look at Kimi's son - he'd quite young and already all over motorsports.


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bourbon19 wrote:
Mort Canard wrote:
Exediron wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/139463/hamilton-100%25-sure-schumacher-will-get-to-f1

Hamilton thinks Mick will be in F1 without doubt. Interesting points about the father-son thing. F1 is really the only sport that works like this. I think it's because it's so expensive to get into racing that the talent pool is naturally severely limited.

I don't think it's just F1 - I watch the National Hockey League, and there's sons of players showing up all the time. The difference is that since they're not taking one of only 20 spots on the global hockey roster available, they don't get anywhere near the same scrutiny.

(Drag racing is even more family-centered than F1, btw)


In the US circle track racing such as Nascar, Usac, and even Indycar is also very familty centered with second generation drivers getting the benefit of very early starts and high quality rides during their early years before they go pro.


Lots of sports. NFL has tons of father-son...heck, even grand father, father son lines running through over the years. Kids are exposed to it all early and get excited about it. Look at Kimi's son - he'd quite young and already all over motorsports.

I think there has to be a certain amount of heredity talent that gets passed down as well.

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Official: Mick is to enter F2 with Prema:

https://www.motorsport.com/fia-f2/news/ ... a/4305035/

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Official: Mick is to enter F2 with Prema:

https://www.motorsport.com/fia-f2/news/ ... a/4305035/

Wishing him well!

Should be interesting. Ticktum didn't exactly set the field alight when he did the season finale, but I'll be interested to see what the two of them can do over a full year. All the best drivers are moving on, so there should be opportunities for Mick to fight for the title (although I'd consider de Vries to be the favorite as it stands).

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Do we already know how the field will look like, i.e. who is going to stay and who is stepping up?


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Do we already know how the field will look like, i.e. who is going to stay and who is stepping up?

Russel, Norris and Albon are stepping up. Markelov is retiring/leaving F2, and possibly racing at all.

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Exediron wrote:
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Do we already know how the field will look like, i.e. who is going to stay and who is stepping up?

Russel, Norris and Albon are stepping up. Markelov is retiring/leaving F2, and possibly racing at all.


Thanks, I more meant who is stepping up from GP3, F3, etc.

De Vries is confirmed now for a third season (ART, joined by Mazepin - a deep pocket driver).

Geleal with Prema (= so no teammate competition for Mick ... ;-))

Ticktum will not drive F2 next year as per Autosport.


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Official: Mick is to enter F2 with Prema:

https://www.motorsport.com/fia-f2/news/ ... a/4305035/

Wishing him well!

I would say that was highly predictable.

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Something in the back of my head is telling me that the Formula 1 fans are setting themselves and Mick up for a significant disappointment. If he does not win multiple WDCs people will be decrying what could have been.


i think this too. just leave him alone to develop as he will, or won't.


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Could this be the beginning of the end for Seb Vettel?

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Could this be the beginning of the end for Seb Vettel?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46881708


Way, way too soon to start saying that. The earliest he would end up at Ferrari is 2021, and that's if he can replicate what Leclerc did. Leclerc's the main immediate risk to Vettel's seat at Ferrari as if he were to outperform Seb, it suddenly makes Vettel a lot more expendable.

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What's Vettel's contract situation at Ferrari? I imagine if Leclerc beats him then he'll be a gonner at the end of that contract.


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What's Vettel's contract situation at Ferrari? I imagine if Leclerc beats him then he'll be a gonner at the end of that contract.


He's signed until the end of 2020, in line with Hamilton, Ricciardo and Leclerc. Verstappen's the only guy signed beyond then. Even if Leclerc were to outperform him this year, I suspect he would be given 2020 to prove it was a fluke, then (as you say) dropped at the end of the contract. There isn't a better option ready or available before then, not unless something drastic happens.

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What's Vettel's contract situation at Ferrari? I imagine if Leclerc beats him then he'll be a gonner at the end of that contract.


He's signed until the end of 2020, in line with Hamilton, Ricciardo and Leclerc. Verstappen's the only guy signed beyond then. Even if Leclerc were to outperform him this year, I suspect he would be given 2020 to prove it was a fluke, then (as you say) dropped at the end of the contract. There isn't a better option ready or available before then, not unless something drastic happens.

I thought that Verstappen was also signed until 2020, presently the teams don't have any contracts with F1 beyond 2020.

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Jenson's Understeer wrote:
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Could this be the beginning of the end for Seb Vettel?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46881708


Way, way too soon to start saying that. The earliest he would end up at Ferrari is 2021, and that's if he can replicate what Leclerc did. Leclerc's the main immediate risk to Vettel's seat at Ferrari as if he were to outperform Seb, it suddenly makes Vettel a lot more expendable.

Indeed in respect to Mick Schumacher he still has a lot to prove, the Schumacher name doesn't make him another Michael Schumacher.

Certainly his path through the ranks hasn't been as rapid as his Father's.

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Basically this news means that Mick will likely get the Ferrari seat if Leclerc is better than Vettel. Make no mistake; Sebastian Vettel is not viable as a #2 driver. Not with that salary. If it turns out that Leclerc is stronger and if (and this is a big if) Schumacher is able to win or at least finish runner-up in F2, I think Ferrari will snap him up ASAP. Even if Mick wins the title in F2 this year, a year at Sauber is more likely than a Ferrari seat before Vettel's contract is up. Mick won't drive in the red cars until 2021 at earliest IMO.


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Basically this news means that Mick will likely get the Ferrari seat if Leclerc is better than Vettel. Make no mistake; Sebastian Vettel is not viable as a #2 driver. Not with that salary. If it turns out that Leclerc is stronger and if (and this is a big if) Schumacher is able to win or at least finish runner-up in F2, I think Ferrari will snap him up ASAP. Even if Mick wins the title in F2 this year, a year at Sauber is more likely than a Ferrari seat before Vettel's contract is up. Mick won't drive in the red cars until 2021 at earliest IMO.

What if Vettel and Leclerc are quite evenly matched, replacing either driver with Schumacher might only serve to weaken the team?

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Basically this news means that Mick will likely get the Ferrari seat if Leclerc is better than Vettel. Make no mistake; Sebastian Vettel is not viable as a #2 driver. Not with that salary. If it turns out that Leclerc is stronger and if (and this is a big if) Schumacher is able to win or at least finish runner-up in F2, I think Ferrari will snap him up ASAP. Even if Mick wins the title in F2 this year, a year at Sauber is more likely than a Ferrari seat before Vettel's contract is up. Mick won't drive in the red cars until 2021 at earliest IMO.

What if Vettel and Leclerc are quite evenly matched, replacing either driver with Schumacher might only serve to weaken the team?

If they're evenly matched; that's probably the worst case scenario for Ferrari as they will take points off of each other frequently. Even if they are an even match, I think it would be the end of the line for Vettel at Ferrari. Vettel makes somewhere in the vicinity of $40-50 million a year. Leclerc's salary will be in the neighborhood of $3 million a year. So if they are even, it's really a no-brainer who to keep (especially considering Charles's age as well).

Of course this is all hypothetical. It's entirely possible that Vettel will simply be better. Arguably that is the odds-on expectation. Somehow though I have a feeling Charles will come out on top. Perhaps not this year but by 2020, my gut tells me that Charles will have the upper hand.


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pokerman wrote:
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What's Vettel's contract situation at Ferrari? I imagine if Leclerc beats him then he'll be a gonner at the end of that contract.


He's signed until the end of 2020, in line with Hamilton, Ricciardo and Leclerc. Verstappen's the only guy signed beyond then. Even if Leclerc were to outperform him this year, I suspect he would be given 2020 to prove it was a fluke, then (as you say) dropped at the end of the contract. There isn't a better option ready or available before then, not unless something drastic happens.

I thought that Verstappen was also signed until 2020, presently the teams don't have any contracts with F1 beyond 2020.


Hm, that's my mistake. For some reason I had in my head that he was out of sync with the other big names (Hamilton, Vettel and Ricciardo). Thinking about it, I was probably just misremembering that his original deal was out of sync with those ending in 2020.

Either way, that just makes Mick Schumacher even less likely to get a Ferrari seat in 2021 as it means that if Ferrari were to drop Vettel at the end of 2020, both Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton could theoretically be available to replace him.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:32 pm 
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Basically this news means that Mick will likely get the Ferrari seat if Leclerc is better than Vettel. Make no mistake; Sebastian Vettel is not viable as a #2 driver. Not with that salary. If it turns out that Leclerc is stronger and if (and this is a big if) Schumacher is able to win or at least finish runner-up in F2, I think Ferrari will snap him up ASAP. Even if Mick wins the title in F2 this year, a year at Sauber is more likely than a Ferrari seat before Vettel's contract is up. Mick won't drive in the red cars until 2021 at earliest IMO.

I was thinking the same, Vettel should not take this lightly. Especially if LeClerc manages to outperform him as you mention


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sandman1347 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
Basically this news means that Mick will likely get the Ferrari seat if Leclerc is better than Vettel. Make no mistake; Sebastian Vettel is not viable as a #2 driver. Not with that salary. If it turns out that Leclerc is stronger and if (and this is a big if) Schumacher is able to win or at least finish runner-up in F2, I think Ferrari will snap him up ASAP. Even if Mick wins the title in F2 this year, a year at Sauber is more likely than a Ferrari seat before Vettel's contract is up. Mick won't drive in the red cars until 2021 at earliest IMO.

What if Vettel and Leclerc are quite evenly matched, replacing either driver with Schumacher might only serve to weaken the team?

If they're evenly matched; that's probably the worst case scenario for Ferrari as they will take points off of each other frequently. Even if they are an even match, I think it would be the end of the line for Vettel at Ferrari. Vettel makes somewhere in the vicinity of $40-50 million a year. Leclerc's salary will be in the neighborhood of $3 million a year. So if they are even, it's really a no-brainer who to keep (especially considering Charles's age as well).

Of course this is all hypothetical. It's entirely possible that Vettel will simply be better. Arguably that is the odds-on expectation. Somehow though I have a feeling Charles will come out on top. Perhaps not this year but by 2020, my gut tells me that Charles will have the upper hand.

I guess that depends on what Vettel is able to negotiate at other teams, would he want to join Hamilton at Mercedes or Verstappen at Red Bull, at least in our scenario Vettel would not be getting beat by Leclerc.

He could still earn good money at Ferrari and be in a title challenging car so would he be up for the challenge?

In respect to Ferrari would they want to get rid of Vettel, a high performing driver, and take a risk with an unproven driver like Schumacher, if your goal is to win things then you stick with Vettel after all that's got to be the reasoning when they got rid of Kimi?

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