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Will Vettel finish ahead of Raikkonen in Japan?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:51 pm 
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Will Sebastian Vettel finish ahead of his team mate Kimi Raikkonen at the 2018 Japanese Grand Prix?


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:36 pm 
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Yes, and on merit.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:11 pm 
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It's likely, although if it's via team orders only if it puts him higher than 5th place. Hamilton led Merc 1-2s here and Austin mean Vettel needs a minimum of 4th place tomorrow or it's mathematically over.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:18 pm 
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He should do, unless Kimi jumps Verstappen at the start. Vettel is starting low but has no advantage of using a fresh tyre of his choice. He is running the same strategy as Kimi and Verstappen.

He can only really beat Kimi by overtaking him on track (not really possible on same strategy) or being given strategy preference and first pitstop and undercut which is basically a team order. I can’t see how he beats Kimi on merit.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:22 pm 
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The only way I see that Seb won't finish ahead of Kimi is if he crashes into someone. He wouldn't try to pass everyone on the first lap, would he??? :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:27 pm 
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Yeah I would expect so, Kimi will probably have a crappy start


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Yes, unless Kimi does something he hasn't done in years and makes up a place on the first lap.


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Mort Canard wrote:
The only way I see that Seb won't finish ahead of Kimi is if he crashes into someone. He wouldn't try to pass everyone on the first lap, would he??? :lol:


I've just been speaking to a friend who is convinced that Vettel is going to crash with someone at some point tomorrow due to all the frustration has probably built up in the last 6/7 weekends.

I think he'll finish ahead of Kimi though.. probably for P4.


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JN23 wrote:
Mort Canard wrote:
The only way I see that Seb won't finish ahead of Kimi is if he crashes into someone. He wouldn't try to pass everyone on the first lap, would he??? :lol:


I've just been speaking to a friend who is convinced that Vettel is going to crash with someone at some point tomorrow due to all the frustration has probably built up in the last 6/7 weekends.

I think he'll finish ahead of Kimi though.. probably for P4.


I've said elsewhere on here that being in the middle of the pack at T1 at Suzuka really isn't a great place to be, and most of those around him have little to lose this late in the season by getting their elbows out and getting brave on the brakes. An incident at the first corner for Seb, who really does need to make a place or two, really isn't out of the question.

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Yes, unless Kimi is ahead of Max. But if Kimi stays 4th, I don't see it as likely that Vettel won't make his way up to being behind him, at which point they will probably switch the cars. I doubt Vettel will overtake him on merit.

The only real threat to Vettel would have been Ricciardo, and due to his engine issues he'll be starting behind. Vettel should be able to dispatch all the Class B cars in the first 5-10 laps, and then it's just a matter of catching up.

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Where’s the “it doesn’t matter anyway” option ?


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Where’s the “it doesn’t matter anyway” option ?

It's all of the options.

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My question is what happens if and when Sebastian gets within striking distance of Max. That particular Red Bull has been known to do crazy things when it sees a red car.

Ferrari should probably start planning pit strategy to get around Max without on track confrontations.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:42 am 
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Japan is a very hard to overtake on and Vettel isn’t going to be able to get himself some kind of tyre advantage in the second stint as he starts on SS and it’s a 1 stopper. So the same tyre as the cars he is in a race with that are in front of him - Kimi and Max.


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It is impossible to say. They aren't Merc, so it isn't going in with team orders on the table, but if it allows him to mathematically stay in it, then I'm sure that would happen.


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Vettel jumps Raikkonen by the first lap, then crashes out with Verstappen.

How predictable was that?


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We were wrong on so many levels...


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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
We were wrong on so many levels...

Mort Canard wasn't - he had it nailed!

Mort Canard wrote:
The only way I see that Seb won't finish ahead of Kimi is if he crashes into someone. He wouldn't try to pass everyone on the first lap, would he???
Mort Canard wrote:
My question is what happens if and when Sebastian gets within striking distance of Max. That particular Red Bull has been known to do crazy things when it sees a red car.

Ferrari should probably start planning pit strategy to get around Max without on track confrontations.

:thumbup: 8)

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Nah, Mort Canard blamed the RB. It takes some impressive mental gymnastics to blame Max today!

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Exediron wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
We were wrong on so many levels...

Mort Canard wasn't - he had it nailed!

Mort Canard wrote:
The only way I see that Seb won't finish ahead of Kimi is if he crashes into someone. He wouldn't try to pass everyone on the first lap, would he???
Mort Canard wrote:
My question is what happens if and when Sebastian gets within striking distance of Max. That particular Red Bull has been known to do crazy things when it sees a red car.

Ferrari should probably start planning pit strategy to get around Max without on track confrontations.

:thumbup: 8)


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Mort Canard wrote:
My question is what happens if and when Sebastian gets within striking distance of Max. That particular Red Bull has been known to do crazy things when it sees a red car.

Ferrari should probably start planning pit strategy to get around Max without on track confrontations.


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Tufty wrote:
Nah, Mort Canard blamed the RB. It takes some impressive mental gymnastics to blame Max today!


You underestimate the mentality of some people on this forum.


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Between the end of the race and now, an extra 6 people have voted for Kimi. I checked this thread immediately after the race ended, and there was only a single Kimi vote.

Shame on the rest of you.

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Option or Prime wrote:
Mort Canard wrote:
My question is what happens if and when Sebastian gets within striking distance of Max. That particular Red Bull has been known to do crazy things when it sees a red car.

Ferrari should probably start planning pit strategy to get around Max without on track confrontations.


Prophet!


Thank You!! Thank You very much!!! :nod:

I had the feeling that a desperate Sebastian and a rambunctious Max would provide the entertainment today. :smug:

I may have been the only one who posted this prediction but am certainly not the only one who thought of it.


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