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Author:  Clarky [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:59 pm ]
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Vettel under investigation for failing to slow down sufficiently under the red flag.

If found guilty he will get a grid penalty.

Author:  JN23 [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:04 pm ]
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Clarky wrote:
Vettel under investigation for failing to slow down sufficiently under the red flag.

If found guilty he will get a grid penalty.


D'oh :blush:

Author:  j man [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:11 pm ]
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Clarky wrote:
Vettel under investigation for failing to slow down sufficiently under the red flag.

If found guilty he will get a grid penalty.

This rule is so unnecessary. How does it improve the sport? It's not as if there was ever an issue with drivers not respecting the red flag.

Author:  Clarky [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:11 pm ]
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Clarky wrote:
Vettel under investigation for failing to slow down sufficiently under the red flag.

If found guilty he will get a grid penalty.

Ricciardo and Ocon both got 3 place grid penalties this year for the same infringement.

Author:  750k2 [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:11 pm ]
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No coverage of practice or even promotion of the event HMMMM.
But atleast nascar is on walking around the kansas pits.
They do show the race will be on though.
F1 says they will have qualy but it does not show in the listings.

Author:  Johnson [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:33 pm ]
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j man wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Vettel under investigation for failing to slow down sufficiently under the red flag.

If found guilty he will get a grid penalty.

This rule is so unnecessary. How does it improve the sport? It's not as if there was ever an issue with drivers not respecting the red flag.

Maybe in the dry you have a point but in the wet... are we forgetting how Bianchi lost his life already? A reminder, he was driving a little too quickly through a yellow flag zone and left the track and high speed heading toward marshalls and machinery on the track side.

Author:  Clarky [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:50 pm ]
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Pouring down with rain.

Author:  pokerman [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:04 pm ]
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Clarky wrote:
Vettel under investigation for failing to slow down sufficiently under the red flag.

If found guilty he will get a grid penalty.

Unfortunate

Author:  Llotyhy [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:05 pm ]
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Horrible weather for Texas.

Author:  pokerman [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:12 pm ]
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pokerman wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Vettel under investigation for failing to slow down sufficiently under the red flag.

If found guilty he will get a grid penalty.

Unfortunate

Just seen Vettel's onboard he didn't slow down to the 90Km/h speed quick enough, he slowed down to 110Km/h recognising the red light which was not slow enough and then momentarily speeded up to 150Km/h and then soon after finally slowed down to below 90Km/h.

Author:  jiminwatford [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:29 pm ]
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Absolutley 'raining very hard' it down

Author:  UnlikeUday [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:34 pm ]
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Pirelli should get some funds so they can produce wet tyres enough to supply more sets to all teams? Maybe Pirelli should demand the funds from the spectators who don't mind getting wet & have to get their patience tested!!!!!!

Author:  pokerman [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:36 pm ]
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UnlikeUday wrote:
Pirelli should get some funds so they can produce wet tyres enough to supply more sets to all teams? Maybe Pirelli should demand the funds from the spectators who don't mind getting wet & have to get their patience tested!!!!!!

I'm just wondering if they pick the wrong time of the year to race in Austin given how often it seems to rain?

Author:  Black_Flag_11 [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:57 pm ]
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pokerman wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Vettel under investigation for failing to slow down sufficiently under the red flag.

If found guilty he will get a grid penalty.

Unfortunate

Just seen Vettel's onboard he didn't slow down to the 90Km/h speed quick enough, he slowed down to 110Km/h recognising the red light which was not slow enough and then momentarily speeded up to 150Km/h and then soon after finally slowed down to below 90Km/h.

Sounds like he's past caring.

Author:  sidders [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:45 pm ]
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3 place penalty for Vettel

Author:  Option or Prime [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:06 pm ]
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Seems a bit harsh, but if everyone else slowed down and Vettel didn't.... Sloppy Ferrari again?

Author:  kleefton [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:22 pm ]
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pokerman wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Vettel under investigation for failing to slow down sufficiently under the red flag.

If found guilty he will get a grid penalty.

Unfortunate

Just seen Vettel's onboard he didn't slow down to the 90Km/h speed quick enough, he slowed down to 110Km/h recognising the red light which was not slow enough and then momentarily speeded up to 150Km/h and then soon after finally slowed down to below 90Km/h.


Almost looks deliberate. He does need a sport psychologist. He has basically gift wrapped this years title to Lewis. It’s a shame.

Author:  MB-BOB [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:51 pm ]
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pokerman wrote:
I'm just wondering if they pick the wrong time of the year to race in Austin given how often it seems to rain?

Historically, October is usually dry in Texas. TX was in drought as recently as late September.

I run another weekend-long outdoor event annually in North Texas. And normally it is dry.

However, we've gotten more than a full year's worth of rain this year and in Oct. 2015, 2017. Some of it related to a happenstance hurricane (Harvey 2017). This year they are blaming all the water on an "El Nino" pattern from the Pacific.

All said, it looks clear Saturday and Sunday...

Author:  Mort Canard [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:54 pm ]
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750k2 wrote:
No coverage of practice or even promotion of the event HMMMM.
But atleast nascar is on walking around the kansas pits.
They do show the race will be on though.
F1 says they will have qualy but it does not show in the listings.


Pirelli United States Grand Prix
Central Standard Time
Practice 1 - Friday, Oct. 19, 10:55 AM - ESPNEWS
Practice 2 - Friday, Oct. 19, 2:55 PM - ESPN3
Practice 3 - Saturday, Oct. 20, 1:55 PM - ESPNEWS
Qualifying - Saturday, Oct. 20, 4:55 PM - ESPNEWS
Race - Sunday, Oct. 21, 1:30 PM - ABC
Encore - Sunday, Oct. 21, 7:30 PM - ESPN2
Encore - Monday, Oct. 22, 12:30 AM - ESPNEWS

If you have ESPN & ESPN2, you can view all sessions after the fact at: http://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/

Author:  Alienturnedhuman [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:00 pm ]
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kleefton wrote:
pokerman wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Vettel under investigation for failing to slow down sufficiently under the red flag.

If found guilty he will get a grid penalty.

Unfortunate

Just seen Vettel's onboard he didn't slow down to the 90Km/h speed quick enough, he slowed down to 110Km/h recognising the red light which was not slow enough and then momentarily speeded up to 150Km/h and then soon after finally slowed down to below 90Km/h.


Almost looks deliberate. He does need a sport psychologist. He has basically gift wrapped this years title to Lewis. It’s a shame.

He should look into getting Amazon Prime to sponsor him.

Author:  Mort Canard [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:06 pm ]
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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
kleefton wrote:
pokerman wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Clarky wrote:
Vettel under investigation for failing to slow down sufficiently under the red flag.

If found guilty he will get a grid penalty.

Unfortunate

Just seen Vettel's onboard he didn't slow down to the 90Km/h speed quick enough, he slowed down to 110Km/h recognising the red light which was not slow enough and then momentarily speeded up to 150Km/h and then soon after finally slowed down to below 90Km/h.


Almost looks deliberate. He does need a sport psychologist. He has basically gift wrapped this years title to Lewis. It’s a shame.

He should look into getting Amazon Prime to sponsor him.


Dunno, Jeff Bezos would expect reliable and timely deliveries from Seb!

Author:  sandman1347 [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:38 pm ]
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This season from Vettel is starting to be hard to believe.

Author:  BMWSauber84 [ Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:44 pm ]
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It's a bit of a clichè but Vettel must just want this season over and done with so he can regroup and refocus in the winter. Almost everything that can go wrong is going wrong.

Author:  UnlikeUday [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:44 am ]
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FP2 done:

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Author:  UnlikeUday [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:53 am ]
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Here is Vettel's error in judgement:


Author:  UnlikeUday [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:58 am ]
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pokerman wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
Pirelli should get some funds so they can produce wet tyres enough to supply more sets to all teams? Maybe Pirelli should demand the funds from the spectators who don't mind getting wet & have to get their patience tested!!!!!!

I'm just wondering if they pick the wrong time of the year to race in Austin given how often it seems to rain?


Wrong time or not, Pirelli don't mind allotting 13 sets of dry tyres but when it comes to wet tyres, they have 3 intermediate sets & 2 wet sets (not sure with the numbers for wet weather tyres)? Sainz said yesterday drivers would've been out for longer time had Pirelli & FIA agreed to allot more wet tyres per driver. What's the point in allotting limited set of tyres? Pirelli out of rubber???

Author:  Exediron [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:58 am ]
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It's clear that he speeds back up substantially (all the way to 170 kph) after he's definitely noticed the red flag. No excuse, and I don't know what he expected. Speeding under red flags is dangerous to everyone.

Author:  Clarky [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:25 am ]
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Exediron wrote:
It's clear that he speeds back up substantially (all the way to 170 kph) after he's definitely noticed the red flag. No excuse, and I don't know what he expected. Speeding under red flags is dangerous to everyone.

100%

Vettel mentioned the stewards said it took him 27.7 seconds to drop to 90km/h.

Well when watching that onboard its clear he didnt hit 90km/h until that point.

Author:  Clarky [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:25 am ]
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Option or Prime wrote:
Seems a bit harsh, but if everyone else slowed down and Vettel didn't.... Sloppy Ferrari again?

Slam dunk

Author:  Clarky [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:04 am ]
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Only 14 hours until Qualifying

Author:  UnlikeUday [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:31 am ]
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Clarky wrote:
Only 14 hours until Qualifying


Reminder regarding the qualy times:

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Author:  Greenman [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:36 am ]
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Exediron wrote:
It's clear that he speeds back up substantially (all the way to 170 kph) after he's definitely noticed the red flag. No excuse, and I don't know what he expected. Speeding under red flags is dangerous to everyone.

.

Yes, he initially slows down a bit, then speeds up past flashing reds and only really slows down when he turns a corner and sees a car at the far end of the straight going noticeably slower - THEN he slows down.

.

Author:  ALESI [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:01 am ]
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MB-BOB wrote:
pokerman wrote:
I'm just wondering if they pick the wrong time of the year to race in Austin given how often it seems to rain?

Historically, October is usually dry in Texas. TX was in drought as recently as late September.

I run another weekend-long outdoor event annually in North Texas. And normally it is dry.

However, we've gotten more than a full year's worth of rain this year and in Oct. 2015, 2017. Some of it related to a happenstance hurricane (Harvey 2017). This year they are blaming all the water on an "El Nino" pattern from the Pacific.

All said, it looks clear Saturday and Sunday...


Yes, rain forecast for Mon, Tue, Wed and Fri... are we ever going to get a wet race? Ever since they brought in that rule about the cars starting behind the safety car and then forming a grid when it's dry enough we've not had a wet start. I wouldn't be surprised if that rule is changed again before we have a wet start, and I still wonder if they'd actually go through with it - I have a feeling they would say it was unsafe and we'd just be back to the same old... :(

Author:  cmberry20 [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:49 am ]
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Well considering practice was red flagged because there was a bit of gravel on the track, if it rains on Sunday I half expect the race to start behind a man waving a red flag.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locomotive_Acts

Author:  Johnson [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:49 am ]
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We have had a wet start...

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Motorsport.com

Author:  JN23 [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:54 am ]
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UnlikeUday wrote:
pokerman wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
Pirelli should get some funds so they can produce wet tyres enough to supply more sets to all teams? Maybe Pirelli should demand the funds from the spectators who don't mind getting wet & have to get their patience tested!!!!!!

I'm just wondering if they pick the wrong time of the year to race in Austin given how often it seems to rain?


Wrong time or not, Pirelli don't mind allotting 13 sets of dry tyres but when it comes to wet tyres, they have 3 intermediate sets & 2 wet sets (not sure with the numbers for wet weather tyres)? Sainz said yesterday drivers would've been out for longer time had Pirelli & FIA agreed to allot more wet tyres per driver. What's the point in allotting limited set of tyres? Pirelli out of rubber???


Crofty on Sky reckons it is to do with shipping costs. No idea if that is true.

Author:  pokerman [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:02 pm ]
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UnlikeUday wrote:
Here is Vettel's error in judgement:


He was supposed to slow to 90Km/h and at one point accelerated back up to 170Km/h, it's like his mind was wandering or something, he wasn't in the game.

Author:  pokerman [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:04 pm ]
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UnlikeUday wrote:
pokerman wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
Pirelli should get some funds so they can produce wet tyres enough to supply more sets to all teams? Maybe Pirelli should demand the funds from the spectators who don't mind getting wet & have to get their patience tested!!!!!!

I'm just wondering if they pick the wrong time of the year to race in Austin given how often it seems to rain?


Wrong time or not, Pirelli don't mind allotting 13 sets of dry tyres but when it comes to wet tyres, they have 3 intermediate sets & 2 wet sets (not sure with the numbers for wet weather tyres)? Sainz said yesterday drivers would've been out for longer time had Pirelli & FIA agreed to allot more wet tyres per driver. What's the point in allotting limited set of tyres? Pirelli out of rubber???

No just the cost of transporting extra tyres when most of the time you don't need them.

Author:  Alienturnedhuman [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:14 pm ]
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pokerman wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
Here is Vettel's error in judgement:


He was supposed to slow to 90Km/h and at one point accelerated back up to 170Km/h, it's like his mind was wandering or something, he wasn't in the game.

Watching that, I think it's difficult to come to any conclusion. When you hear the version of events, it sounds like he just didn't lift off fast enough, but the fact that he got down to nearly 100km/h and accelerated back up again (twice) before finally dropping down to below 90, just shows his head was somewhere else.

Author:  Mort Canard [ Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:19 pm ]
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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
pokerman wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:
Here is Vettel's error in judgement:


He was supposed to slow to 90Km/h and at one point accelerated back up to 170Km/h, it's like his mind was wandering or something, he wasn't in the game.

Watching that, I think it's difficult to come to any conclusion. When you hear the version of events, it sounds like he just didn't lift off fast enough, but the fact that he got down to nearly 100km/h and accelerated back up again (twice) before finally dropping down to below 90, just shows his head was somewhere else.


:thumbup: :nod:

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