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Will Max Verstappen become the youngest driver on pole in F1 history?
Yes, today in Mexico 27%  27%  [ 10 ]
Yes, but it'll be in Brazil 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
Yes, but it'll (somehow) happen in Abu Dhabi 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Nope, Seb will keep the record 65%  65%  [ 24 ]
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There is still a faint possibility in the other races but Slim is slowly leaving town. Pleased for Ricciardo though as he can now join Renault on a high. Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull and Renault will all have top quality drivers next year (Hulk probably is already but reinforced by Daniel addition) so no excuses for bad car performance next year teams ! ;) I'm especially looking forward to seeing what Red Bull and Honda conjure up hopefully giving us a genuine three way battle next year. In this race I want to see Lewis join Fangio in the record books even if he is a sedate 6th ;).

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I can't help but notice that the number of 'No' votes have gone up since qualifying ended... 8)


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Wonderful thing, hindsight!!! :D

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Max: “The whole qualifying was crap."

The Dutchman was fuming when he vented to reporters immediately after the race, “The whole qualifying was crap, we had the same problems as FP2, the engine braking is not like I wanted and rear locking in the car. We tried to make the best of it, I thought we had enough but it’s still good to be second.”


Just keep munching those sour grapes there Maxi!! :lol:

Congrats to Danny Ricci!!!! :thumbup:



Yep, it's started already... VER is way too young to be developing a Diva attitude. That childish pink shine needs to disappear from his rosy cheeks before he starts quoting pages from Nando's "Everybody's Problem but Mine" handbook. Like Christian Horner gives a rat's azz whether Max's "engine braking is not like HE wanted."

He should be happy that the higher elevation is the only reason he's on the front row. The neglect in mentioning Danny Ric's good fortune is also telling, whether it's a pre-pubescent, rookie oversight or not...

I'd like to see Honda save face with it's engine next year. But if they don't, the moaning from Verstappen will be like Alonso never left.

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The debate over Vettel's Torro Rosso win was... interesting. Obviously the suggestion that he 'dragged a Minardi to Pole' is one of the more ludicrous statements I have ever seen on this forum. It was however a performance with composure that defied his level of experience at the time.

In those conditions, on that track, the Torro Rosso was unusually competitive. To make Pole and the win possible though it required a top driver, fortunately they had one. Only a select few on the grid could have pulled it off. Both of those sentences are perfectly valid. It isn't taking anything away from Seb's performance that day to say that the car was competitive enough to give him a half chance to convert.

It's mildly comparable to Hungary 1997. Was Damon Hill on that day driving so much better than Schumacher, Villeneuve, Hakkinen etc on that day that he was able to drag a pretty hopeless arrows car to what would have been a win but for a faulty 50 pence part?

Well he outqualified his teammate by two seconds after all! But a closer look suggests that the Bridgestone tyres were suited to the track, and Hill was by far the best driver using them on that day. I'm not saying he didn't drive really well, but the opportunity was made available.


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Keep it civil guys, and please, please, dont quote posts that break the rules, just report them and let us deal with them. It increases our workload exponentially when we have to start rooting around for other posts that have quoted the offending post.


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Mort Canard wrote:
pokerman wrote:
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Max: “The whole qualifying was crap."

The Dutchman was fuming when he vented to reporters immediately after the race, “The whole qualifying was crap, we had the same problems as FP2, the engine braking is not like I wanted and rear locking in the car. We tried to make the best of it, I thought we had enough but it’s still good to be second.”


Just keep munching those sour grapes there Maxi!! :lol:

Congrats to Danny Ricci!!!! :thumbup:

He tends to be quite honest about things like that but obviously it doesn't come across too well and lacks some humility.


Ya think??? :lol:

As long as Jos is his personal manager and mentor I don't see that changing. The nut doesn't fall very far from the tree. :nod:

There are times I like the kid, but more often I wish they''d ship him off to Nascar.

I'm the same I want to like him because of his talent but I can't get past the oafish behaviour he tends to exhibit now and again.

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This item sums it really well... http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/251 ... -max-angry

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Why does the phrase "Petulant Little Twerp" come tumbling to mind when I read that?

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I understand what you mean, but if you ask me that entire interview with dad Verstappen is blown greatly out of proportion. He merely said that he thinks that Dan's celebration might have fired something in Max that caused him to approach the race with even more determination.

There's not that much wrong with that. Actually, I would say that kind of determination is a trade of champions. Some people seem to infer though that Max is using his dad as a spokesperson to bad mouth Dan.

It really is amazing how much is written about a 50 second face time video aired by a Dutch broadcaster. It just shows how big the Max hype is. Stop giving him this kind of attention and it will blow over.


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I understand what you mean, but if you ask me that entire interview with dad Verstappen is blown greatly out of proportion. He merely said that he thinks that Dan's celebration might have fired something in Max that caused him to approach the race with even more determination.

There's not that much wrong with that. Actually, I would say that kind of determination is a trade of champions. Some people seem to infer though that Max is using his dad as a spokesperson to bad mouth Dan.

It really is amazing how much is written about a 50 second face time video aired by a Dutch broadcaster. It just shows how big the Max hype is. Stop giving him this kind of attention and it will blow over.

Max hit the P2 sign before he had got out of the car, so unless Ricciardo was transmitting his cheering directly to Max's radio then there is no way that he knew how much Ricciardo was celebrating.

I think you are right and that Jos is projecting because he did hear it live, he knows that Ricciardo was celebrating denying Max the record because ultimately Dan's divorce from Red Bull stems from the lack of trust Ricciardo has that the team aren't favouring Max over him.


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Exediron wrote:
I can't help but notice that the number of 'No' votes have gone up since qualifying ended... 8)
Mort Canard wrote:
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Wonderful thing, hindsight!!! :D

Immediately after quali ended, there were 4 votes for 'Seb will keep the record'. There are now 15. Does it make people feel better about themselves to vote for the answer after the fact? I honestly find this rather puzzling... :?

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Exediron wrote:
Exediron wrote:
I can't help but notice that the number of 'No' votes have gone up since qualifying ended... 8)
Mort Canard wrote:
:nod:

Wonderful thing, hindsight!!! :D

Immediately after quali ended, there were 4 votes for 'Seb will keep the record'. There are now 15. Does it make people feel better about themselves to vote for the answer after the fact? I honestly find this rather puzzling... :?

Well.... technically Max could still take it!


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Exediron wrote:
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I can't help but notice that the number of 'No' votes have gone up since qualifying ended... 8)
Mort Canard wrote:
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Wonderful thing, hindsight!!! :D

Immediately after quali ended, there were 4 votes for 'Seb will keep the record'. There are now 15. Does it make people feel better about themselves to vote for the answer after the fact? I honestly find this rather puzzling... :?

I believe the OP question concerned taking the record in the remaining races in 2018. His best chance was in the rarified air at Mexico City. IMO, he has little to no chance to take a pole in Brazil or Abu Dhabi. So naturally those who share that opinion have contributed to the no votes. Nothing puzzling about it.

For the record mine was one of the NO votes, even though I picked him to win the race, both predictions registered before entries in GP Predictor closed (15 minutes before qualifications).

I think the larger puzzlement is whether anyone "feels better" about their participation in the naggingly persistent, reliably off-topic, and often disrespectful bickering that pollutes this completely inconsequential forum. Some of you argue here as if your life depends on it.

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MB-BOB wrote:
Exediron wrote:
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I can't help but notice that the number of 'No' votes have gone up since qualifying ended... 8)
Mort Canard wrote:
:nod:

Wonderful thing, hindsight!!! :D

Immediately after quali ended, there were 4 votes for 'Seb will keep the record'. There are now 15. Does it make people feel better about themselves to vote for the answer after the fact? I honestly find this rather puzzling... :?

I believe the OP question concerned taking the record in the remaining races in 2018. His best chance was in the rarified air at Mexico City. IMO, he has little to no chance to take a pole in Brazil or Abu Dhabi. So naturally those who share that opinion have contributed to the no votes. Nothing puzzling about it.

For the record mine was one of the NO votes, even though I picked him to win the race, both predictions registered before entries in GP Predictor closed (15 minutes before qualifications).

I think the larger puzzlement is whether anyone "feels better" about their participation in the naggingly persistent, reliably off-topic, and often disrespectful bickering that pollutes this completely inconsequential forum. Some of you argue here as if your life depends on it.

It's not much of a prediction after he already fails to do it at his only real opportunity. If the poll was frozen before qualifying it could serve some historical interest, so people can check in and see what the sentiment at the time was, how many people really thought he was going to do it. But now people have voted after the fact, and it's going to be polluted from a future perspective.

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Stick a fork in Max. He's done. Didn't happend in Brazil and won't happen in Abu Dhabi.

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I think Max is a fabulous qualifier - but he (and his father and RBR frankly) shows disrespect to Ricciardo who is also strong - I mean he beat Dan in Brasil by .002 of a second - the reality is these guys are both good and frankly I suspect both would be gunning for pole every race if in the Merc/Ferrari - as they'd beat both Hamilton/Vettel more often than not


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I think Max is a fabulous qualifier - but he (and his father and RBR frankly) shows disrespect to Ricciardo who is also strong - I mean he beat Dan in Brasil by .002 of a second - the reality is these guys are both good and frankly I suspect both would be gunning for pole every race if in the Merc/Ferrari - as they'd beat both Hamilton/Vettel more often than not


Given that Hamilton is statistically the best qualifyer of all time and Vettel is a 1 lap specialist, that's quite the claim to make.

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I think Max is a fabulous qualifier - but he (and his father and RBR frankly) shows disrespect to Ricciardo who is also strong - I mean he beat Dan in Brasil by .002 of a second - the reality is these guys are both good and frankly I suspect both would be gunning for pole every race if in the Merc/Ferrari - as they'd beat both Hamilton/Vettel more often than not


Given that Hamilton is statistically the best qualifyer of all time and Vettel is a 1 lap specialist, that's quite the claim to make.

Also in regards to Verstappen, Ricciardo has been about 2 tenths slower on average, a couple of good qualifying sessions and then we can forget all the bad ones, Verstappen himself I wouldn't look to disagree with as such.

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His last opportunity isn't as hopeless as previously thought. But still likely to be a Bottas or a Ferrari though.


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His last opportunity isn't as hopeless as previously thought. But still likely to be a Bottas or a Ferrari though.

Why not Hamilton?

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His last opportunity isn't as hopeless as previously thought. But still likely to be a Bottas or a Ferrari though.

Why not Hamilton?

He's on his post WDC snooze.


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His last opportunity isn't as hopeless as previously thought. But still likely to be a Bottas or a Ferrari though.

Why not Hamilton?

He's on his post WDC snooze.

The post WDC snooze in which he got pole and won the last race then has gone fastest in FP3 for this race?


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His last opportunity isn't as hopeless as previously thought. But still likely to be a Bottas or a Ferrari though.

Why not Hamilton?

He's on his post WDC snooze.

The post WDC snooze in which he got pole and won the last race then has gone fastest in FP3 for this race?

It was the same last year, Hamilton tried hard in Brazil (so hard he crashed in Qualifying) before not turning up to Abu Dhabi. I'm still kind of expecting him to let Bottas win, if possible, to repay for Russia, however I don't think it's in his character to concede on track and would rather just be on snooze and let Bottas have the weekend. Of course, if the Ferraris are looking faster he may not have the opportunity.


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It looks like Verstappen is going to miss out now, Mexico was so unfortunate.

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It looks like Verstappen is going to miss out now, Mexico was so unfortunate.


Why?

He just wasn't good enough on the day.

Why is that unfortunate?

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
dompclarke wrote:
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His last opportunity isn't as hopeless as previously thought. But still likely to be a Bottas or a Ferrari though.

Why not Hamilton?

He's on his post WDC snooze.

The post WDC snooze in which he got pole and won the last race then has gone fastest in FP3 for this race?

It was the same last year, Hamilton tried hard in Brazil (so hard he crashed in Qualifying) before not turning up to Abu Dhabi. I'm still kind of expecting him to let Bottas win, if possible, to repay for Russia, however I don't think it's in his character to concede on track and would rather just be on snooze and let Bottas have the weekend. Of course, if the Ferraris are looking faster he may not have the opportunity.

What evidence is there he hasn't shown up this weekend? He's been beaten by Bottas in free practice at other races and topped fp3...
He may end up being off the boil this weekend, but so far too say seems ridiculous.


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dompclarke wrote:
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dompclarke wrote:
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Why not Hamilton?

He's on his post WDC snooze.

The post WDC snooze in which he got pole and won the last race then has gone fastest in FP3 for this race?

It was the same last year, Hamilton tried hard in Brazil (so hard he crashed in Qualifying) before not turning up to Abu Dhabi. I'm still kind of expecting him to let Bottas win, if possible, to repay for Russia, however I don't think it's in his character to concede on track and would rather just be on snooze and let Bottas have the weekend. Of course, if the Ferraris are looking faster he may not have the opportunity.

What evidence is there he hasn't shown up this weekend? He's been beaten by Bottas in free practice at other races and topped fp3...
He may end up being off the boil this weekend, but so far too say seems ridiculous.

A lap like that is worth being proved wrong for.


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There's no joy in Mudville, mighty Maxi has struck out!!! :nod:

Gets outqualified by Daniel and the rest of the best.

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Nope. He had his chance though and Red Bull have had the pace for pole this year as Ricciardo has demonstrated.


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Jezza13 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
It looks like Verstappen is going to miss out now, Mexico was so unfortunate.


Why?

He just wasn't good enough on the day.

Why is that unfortunate?


Because all he's concerned about is that Vettel still holds the record.


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There's no joy in Mudville, mighty Maxi has struck out!!! :nod:

Gets outqualified by Daniel and the rest of the best.

This is actually good for Max. Had he gotten a pole and the record, that would really go to his head. He has enough trouble fitting his helmet through the halo as is.

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It looks like Verstappen is going to miss out now, Mexico was so unfortunate.


Why?

He just wasn't good enough on the day.

Why is that unfortunate?

0.02s is unfortunately close to be the youngest ever pole position holder.

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Nope. He had his chance though and Red Bull have had the pace for pole this year as Ricciardo has demonstrated.

That's true he did have the car to do it on a few occasions so I guess you could say he blew it.

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Veteell remains the youngest, it's over now.

Leclerc is a few days older than Verstappen so he is in no contention for the next year as well as Gasly. Vettel looks to remain there for quite some time.

Eventually Dan Ticktum could do it, but he needs a really speedy climb up the ladder to land the 2020 RBR drive, taking it for granted that RBR will be capable of it, as well as Ticktum himself. He is born 08. June 1999.

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Veteell remains the youngest, it's over now.

Leclerc is a few days older than Verstappen so he is in no contention for the next year as well as Gasly. Vettel looks to remain there for quite some time.

Eventually Dan Ticktum could do it, but he needs a really speedy climb up the ladder to land the 2020 RBR drive, taking it for granted that RBR will be capable of it, as well as Ticktum himself. He is born 08. June 1999.

The earliest that Ticktum gets into F1 is in 2020 and that would be with STR not with Red Bull.

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I think Norris is the next realistic hope to take the record. He has two years to do it, so if McLaren turn things around it's not inconceivable that they build a car capable of pole. I don't see Stroll doing it in 2019.

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I think Norris is the next realistic hope to take the record. He has two years to do it, so if McLaren turn things around it's not inconceivable that they build a car capable of pole. I don't see Stroll doing it in 2019.

Not in a McLaren.

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I think Norris is the next realistic hope to take the record. He has two years to do it, so if McLaren turn things around it's not inconceivable that they build a car capable of pole. I don't see Stroll doing it in 2019.

Not in a McLaren.

Neither of us have any idea what McLaren is going to do in the next two years.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:35 am 
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Exediron wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Exediron wrote:
I think Norris is the next realistic hope to take the record. He has two years to do it, so if McLaren turn things around it's not inconceivable that they build a car capable of pole. I don't see Stroll doing it in 2019.

Not in a McLaren.

Neither of us have any idea what McLaren is going to do in the next two years.


Alonso's quit.

They've gotta be odds on to romp both championships in don't they?

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