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Here's the list in descending order of the pay scale (there are some surprises here):

Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) £40,000,000
Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) £30,500,000
Daniel Ricciardo (Renault) £26,500,000
Max Verstappen (Red Bull) £10,000,000
Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) £6,500,000
Kimi Raikkonen (Alfa Romeo) £3,500,000
Nico Hulkenberg (Renault) £3,500,000
Carlos Sainz (McLaren) £3,000,000
Charles Leclerc (Ferrari) £2,500,000
Sergio Perez (Racing Point) £2,500,000
Romain Grosjean (Haas) £1,400,000
Pierre Gasly (Red Bull) £1,000,000
Lance Stroll (Racing Point) £900,000
Kevin Magnussen (Haas) £900,000
Robert Kubica (Williams) £430,000
Daniil Kvyat (Toro Rosso) £230,000
Lando Norris (McLaren) £200,000
Antonio Giovinazzi (Alfa Romeo) £175,000
George Russell (Williams) £140,000
Alexander Albon (Toro Rosso) £130,000

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/f1-drivers-salaries-revealed-including-14101598

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Is Danny Ricc really getting that kind of money, it kind of goes against what I've heard like Red Bull offered him the same kind of money as Renault?

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Is Danny Ricc really getting that kind of money, it kind of goes against what I've heard like Red Bull offered him the same kind of money as Renault?


When he left Red Bull for Renault, many thought is was the loads of money as the main reason for the switch. Ofcourse, there are supposed reasons like he not trusting Honda & Red Bull favoring Max over him.

He receiving that much whereas Kimi still gets such a paltry amount inspite of so much experience & fans.

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Is Danny Ricc really getting that kind of money, it kind of goes against what I've heard like Red Bull offered him the same kind of money as Renault?


When he left Red Bull for Renault, many thought is was the loads of money as the main reason for the switch. Ofcourse, there are supposed reasons like he not trusting Honda & Red Bull favoring Max over him.

He receiving that much whereas Kimi still gets such a paltry amount inspite of so much experience & fans.

That was rumoured that Renault were paying him far more money but that got refuted by Red Bull.

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Wow, can't actually believe that the rookies get that little. But the cynic in me just wants to know how much tax they're paying and to which country!!! :p

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Is lance getting a salary or a allowance? 😉


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Is lance getting a salary or a allowance? 😉

I think his allowance is a bit more than that!

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Ok you got me. dont know how you worked it out but i have to admit its not true. sorry if anyone has sold their renault in disgust in the last 20 hours.


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I'll take posts that won't last for more than a day for $100, Alex.


Won't bet against you ha ha ha ha ha


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Kevin Magnussen (Haas) £900,000 - bargain


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He receiving that much whereas Kimi still gets such a paltry amount inspite of so much experience & fans.


Raikkonen has been on close enough to the highest-paid drivers for years while he under-performed. $3.5m is a bargain for Sauber, but in my opinion is just given his performances the past five years (and the wages he was on in that time).

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Wise investment by Renault. If they want to snatch 3rd in the WCC off Red Bull, it's probably cheaper to take Dan at 26 mill than put that much extra into developing the car. With Dan + a semi decent F1 car, they might be able to finish ahead of Gasly this season more than a few times.

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Here's the list in descending order of the pay scale (there are some surprises here):

Daniel Ricciardo (Renault) £26,500,000
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Nico Hulkenberg (Renault) £3,500,000



Wow. They *really* wanted Ricciardo eh! If they end up on similar points come year-end, contract negotiations could get interesting.

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Here's the list in descending order of the pay scale (there are some surprises here):

Daniel Ricciardo (Renault) £26,500,000
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Nico Hulkenberg (Renault) £3,500,000



Wow. They *really* wanted Ricciardo eh! If they end up on similar points come year-end, contract negotiations could get interesting.

It's 4 million for Ricciardo and 22.5 million for Cyril Abiteboul to stick two fingers up at Christian Horner.


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Wise investment by Renault. If they want to snatch 3rd in the WCC off Red Bull, it's probably cheaper to take Dan at 26 mill than put that much extra into developing the car. With Dan + a semi decent F1 car, they might be able to finish ahead of Gasly this season more than a few times.

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Not sure about it. But at least Ricciardo would be happy with his salary :lol:

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Some Fantasy F1 style fun then... Av driver salary from that lot is £6,700,250. But those top guys are really skewing that. Remove Ricciardo upward and you get an average of around £2.2m

So if you were a team boss with £4.5m to spend on driver salaries and these were the asking prices, who would you buy?

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Leclerc and Grosjean i guess


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An interesting article exclusively written for racefans.net. Looks like they think these salaries are somewhat inaccurate. Quite a different estimate of what they think it will be closer to for each driver:

https://www.racefans.net/2019/03/12/201 ... clickbait/


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An interesting article exclusively written for racefans.net. Looks like they think these salaries are somewhat inaccurate. Quite a different estimate of what they think it will be closer to for each driver:

https://www.racefans.net/2019/03/12/201 ... clickbait/

That seems more accurate to me.

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Wise investment by Renault. If they want to snatch 3rd in the WCC off Red Bull, it's probably cheaper to take Dan at 26 mill than put that much extra into developing the car. With Dan + a semi decent F1 car, they might be able to finish ahead of Gasly this season more than a few times.

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Wouldn’t that be something if dan can still out score Gasly...lol
Very hard to see that happening though. Although I don’t rate Gasly at all, if the Redbull is still more than one second quicker like it was most of the time last year there is nothing Ricciardo can do about it.


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racefans.net figures are even worst IMO. Hulk no way should be in top5 with 10million $. He has been in F1 forever and still not got podium. Stroll 3million and Grosjean 7million is also little crazy IMO. None of these drivers are even popular.

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Wow, can't actually believe that the rookies get that little. But the cynic in me just wants to know how much tax they're paying and to which country!!! :p

I don't believe the rookies get paid - their appearance is contingent on the 'sponsorship' money they bring to their teams. Not enough sponsorship money and you aren't driving. Sponsor's check bounces and you are bounced out of the ride.

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racefans.net figures are even worst IMO. Hulk no way should be in top5 with 10million $. He has been in F1 forever and still not got podium. Stroll 3million and Grosjean 7million is also little crazy IMO. None of these drivers are even popular.

Do you mean worse or likely to be less accurate? I don't think anybody who writes them will agree it is fair what all the drivers get.


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Yes I think racefans.net seems less accurate.

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Yes I think racefans.net seems less accurate.

Well, I don't know where the other salaries have been estimated from either. But at least there is a rather good explanation in this article. And he does have a fair bit of knowledge. They are estimates, but all from 1 person by the look of it. The other lot doesn't really have a convincing article with it to make it as believable to me. The original site for the list doesn't really say much about how the information was collected, or who helped collect it. Neither do several other websites that also have a different estimate.

Given the description in the article, I certainly think the one on racefans is what I currently would trust most.


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Both lists look bogus.

Where does racefans get the figure of $15m for Ricciardo when there are numerous sources at the time of the signing for Renault suggesting he'd be on about £20m, or $A35m (which is now ~£19m). And I've seen that's actually US $ which would equal ~£26m.


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Both lists look bogus.

Where does racefans get the figure of $15m for Ricciardo when there are numerous sources at the time of the signing for Renault suggesting he'd be on about £20m, or $A35m (which is now ~£19m). And I've seen that's actually US $ which would equal ~£26m.

But the other articles don't have a description as good as racefans as to how the information has been collected. It is that that makes be trust this one much more. But anyhow, They are all different and I doubt any will be correct with everything.


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Interesting to reflect on the inter-team rivalry. Is Hamilton worth 6 times as much as Bottas? How does Bottas feel about his role and towards Toto Wolf knowing these figures? It looks to me that Toto's saying 'Wingman yes, title contender, no.'

Is Vettel worth 12 times what Leclerc is? That seems easier to justify given their experiences than the Merc figures.

Another point: how are these salaries affected by sponsorship the drivers bring to their teams? Especially as regards Kubica and Stroll - if Stroll's effectively being paid £900k pocket-money by his Dad, is that a salary at all?! :]


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Interesting to reflect on the inter-team rivalry. Is Hamilton worth 6 times as much as Bottas? How does Bottas feel about his role and towards Toto Wolf knowing these figures? It looks to me that Toto's saying 'Wingman yes, title contender, no.'

Is Vettel worth 12 times what Leclerc is? That seems easier to justify given their experiences than the Merc figures.

Another point: how are these salaries affected by sponsorship the drivers bring to their teams? Especially as regards Kubica and Stroll - if Stroll's effectively being paid £900k pocket-money by his Dad, is that a salary at all?! :]

If you see Vettel has been worth 12 times the salary of Leclerc then Hamilton is easily worth 6 times the salary of Bottas.

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Interesting to reflect on the inter-team rivalry. Is Hamilton worth 6 times as much as Bottas? How does Bottas feel about his role and towards Toto Wolf knowing these figures? It looks to me that Toto's saying 'Wingman yes, title contender, no.'

Is Vettel worth 12 times what Leclerc is? That seems easier to justify given their experiences than the Merc figures.

Another point: how are these salaries affected by sponsorship the drivers bring to their teams? Especially as regards Kubica and Stroll - if Stroll's effectively being paid £900k pocket-money by his Dad, is that a salary at all?! :]

If you see Vettel has been worth 12 times the salary of Leclerc then Hamilton is easily worth 6 times the salary of Bottas.

Not so much that Vettel is 12 times better than Leclerc, but he has a larger seniority margin. Vettel is a top driver in his 12th year in F1, compared to a youngster in his 2nd year. Hamilton is a top driver in his 13th year in F1, compared to a driver in his 7th year. The ability gap between Hamilton and Bottas may be larger, but the seniority gap is much larger for Vettel.

That said, salaries are actually determined by marketability, and I think Ferrari is badly underpaying Leclerc on the F1 pay scale.

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Interesting to reflect on the inter-team rivalry. Is Hamilton worth 6 times as much as Bottas? How does Bottas feel about his role and towards Toto Wolf knowing these figures? It looks to me that Toto's saying 'Wingman yes, title contender, no.'

Is Vettel worth 12 times what Leclerc is? That seems easier to justify given their experiences than the Merc figures.

Another point: how are these salaries affected by sponsorship the drivers bring to their teams? Especially as regards Kubica and Stroll - if Stroll's effectively being paid £900k pocket-money by his Dad, is that a salary at all?! :]

If you see Vettel has been worth 12 times the salary of Leclerc then Hamilton is easily worth 6 times the salary of Bottas.

Not so much that Vettel is 12 times better than Leclerc, but he has a larger seniority margin. Vettel is a top driver in his 12th year in F1, compared to a youngster in his 2nd year. Hamilton is a top driver in his 13th year in F1, compared to a driver in his 7th year. The ability gap between Hamilton and Bottas may be larger, but the seniority gap is much larger for Vettel.

That said, salaries are actually determined by marketability, and I think Ferrari is badly underpaying Leclerc on the F1 pay scale.

I don't understand why one can be alright but not the other, Hamilton is a 5 times WDC and won 11 races last year, Bottas had zero wins, it should have been 2 wins but nevertheless he has achieved far less than Hamilton, I daresay some drivers would gladly take his place for less money?

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Looking at these salaries, I have no issue with Ricciardo joining Renault. He would have to be a fool to play second fiddle to Max and not collect that 26.5!! Leclerc getting a lot less than Vettel but really, anyone would die for that opportunity and he's still getting 2.5 plus a bunch of sponsor money that wasn't available to him at Alfa Sauber.


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Interesting to reflect on the inter-team rivalry. Is Hamilton worth 6 times as much as Bottas? How does Bottas feel about his role and towards Toto Wolf knowing these figures? It looks to me that Toto's saying 'Wingman yes, title contender, no.'

Is Vettel worth 12 times what Leclerc is? That seems easier to justify given their experiences than the Merc figures.

Another point: how are these salaries affected by sponsorship the drivers bring to their teams? Especially as regards Kubica and Stroll - if Stroll's effectively being paid £900k pocket-money by his Dad, is that a salary at all?! :]

If you see Vettel has been worth 12 times the salary of Leclerc then Hamilton is easily worth 6 times the salary of Bottas.

Not so much that Vettel is 12 times better than Leclerc, but he has a larger seniority margin. Vettel is a top driver in his 12th year in F1, compared to a youngster in his 2nd year. Hamilton is a top driver in his 13th year in F1, compared to a driver in his 7th year. The ability gap between Hamilton and Bottas may be larger, but the seniority gap is much larger for Vettel.

That said, salaries are actually determined by marketability, and I think Ferrari is badly underpaying Leclerc on the F1 pay scale.

I don't understand why one can be alright but not the other, Hamilton is a 5 times WDC and won 11 races last year, Bottas had zero wins, it should have been 2 wins but nevertheless he has achieved far less than Hamilton, I daresay some drivers would gladly take his place for less money?
I'm not sure I get what you mean about one being alright and not the other? It's almost impossible to compare between different teams because there is no standard pay strategy and what works for one may be completely irrelevant to the other.

Ferrari and Mercedes both signed big-name drivers at their peak and are paying them accordingly, but the number 2s have very different rationales. I would argue that Bottas is vastly overpaid; so is Leclerc, but for different reasons. Bottas is a clear number 2 (by that I mean he hasn't shown the ability to challenge Hamilton) and has obviously (to me) been retained to be a wingman, regardless of what Wolff and others may say. And I think Bottas wouldn't dream of going elsewhere and losing the chance of a seat at a team like Mercedes, which is why I think they could have paid him far less. Leclerc is largely unproven but Ferrari are clearly hoping he's the next big thing - but at the end of the day they are taking a fairly large leap of faith and I'm convinced threy could have secured him for a lot less, with maybe a performance lock-in to protect against other teams poaching him. But at the end of the day I think both drivers' salaries were negotiated without any reference to what their team mates were earning, so all this talk of multipliers is irrelevant.


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Here's the list in descending order of the pay scale (there are some surprises here):

Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) £40,000,000
Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) £30,500,000
Daniel Ricciardo (Renault) £26,500,000
Max Verstappen (Red Bull) £10,000,000
Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) £6,500,000
Kimi Raikkonen (Alfa Romeo) £3,500,000
Nico Hulkenberg (Renault) £3,500,000
Carlos Sainz (McLaren) £3,000,000
Charles Leclerc (Ferrari) £2,500,000
Sergio Perez (Racing Point) £2,500,000
Romain Grosjean (Haas) £1,400,000
Pierre Gasly (Red Bull) £1,000,000
Lance Stroll (Racing Point) £900,000
Kevin Magnussen (Haas) £900,000
Robert Kubica (Williams) £430,000
Daniil Kvyat (Toro Rosso) £230,000
Lando Norris (McLaren) £200,000
Antonio Giovinazzi (Alfa Romeo) £175,000
George Russell (Williams) £140,000
Alexander Albon (Toro Rosso) £130,000

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/f1-drivers-salaries-revealed-including-14101598



So just for fun I took the combined driver salary for each time and worked each drivers % of the total, then used the teams points from last year and apportioned them using those %. So assuming the teams score the same points this year I then used the % as to say how many pts that driver should be getting:

So pound for pound these would be acceptable score lines:

Mercedes: Hamilton - 563 , Bottas - 92
Ferrari: Vettel - 528 , Leclerc - 43
Renault: Ricciardo - 108 , Hulkenberg - 14
Red Bull: Verstappen - 381 , Gasly - 38
Sauber: Raikkonen - 46 , Giovinazzi - 2
Force India: Perez - 82 , Stroll - 29
McLaren: Sainz - 58 , Norris - 4
Haas: Grosjean - 57 , Magnussen - 36
Williams: Kubica - 5 , Russel - 2
Torro Rosso: Kvyat - 21 , Albon - 12

So come season end there will be some questions asked and some driver manages looking closely at their contracts!

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Force India: Perez - 82 , Stroll - 29
Haas: Grosjean - 57 , Magnussen - 36
Williams: Kubica - 5 , Russel - 2
Torro Rosso: Kvyat - 21 , Albon - 12

I find these four fairly plausible. The rest, not so much.

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Looking at these salaries, I have no issue with Ricciardo joining Renault. He would have to be a fool to play second fiddle to Max and not collect that 26.5!! Leclerc getting a lot less than Vettel but really, anyone would die for that opportunity and he's still getting 2.5 plus a bunch of sponsor money that wasn't available to him at Alfa Sauber.

I'm not convinced that Ricciardo is getting that kind of money.

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