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Wolf seems to think Bottas was 5s slower than Leclerc over their race stints today once outliers are removed I read elsewhere. So less than a tenth a lap.

That sounds pretty promising for a good championship with Lewis having much better race pace than Bottas even if Seb has similar gains on Leclerc.

No idea about the Bull's and the rest look pretty close together but still a good step further back from the top 3 teams.

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I still feel like we're especially in the dark regarding RBR. Doesn't help that Gasly has crashed their car twice.


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Wolf seems to think Bottas was 5s slower than Leclerc over their race stints today once outliers are removed I read elsewhere. So less than a tenth a lap.

That sounds pretty promising for a good championship with Lewis having much better race pace than Bottas even if Seb has similar gains on Leclerc.

No idea about the Bull's and the rest look pretty close together but still a good step further back from the top 3 teams.

Well Wolff would know a lot more than me of course but there again it’s difficult to gauge how good Leclerc actually is just yet! But I agree being so close is pretty promising yeah and looks like we may get a repeat of 2018 in terms of the cars being close in performance


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The confusing part is Bottas' times at the end of his 3rd stint.


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Wolf seems to think Bottas was 5s slower than Leclerc over their race stints today once outliers are removed I read elsewhere. So less than a tenth a lap.

That sounds pretty promising for a good championship with Lewis having much better race pace than Bottas even if Seb has similar gains on Leclerc.

No idea about the Bull's and the rest look pretty close together but still a good step further back from the top 3 teams.

Well Wolff would know a lot more than me of course but there again it’s difficult to gauge how good Leclerc actually is just yet! But I agree being so close is pretty promising yeah and looks like we may get a repeat of 2018 in terms of the cars being close in performance

Wolf would know more than you but that doesn't mean he's telling the truth. Mercedes could have another 0.5 sec in the bag for all we know.


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Wolf seems to think Bottas was 5s slower than Leclerc over their race stints today once outliers are removed I read elsewhere. So less than a tenth a lap.

That sounds pretty promising for a good championship with Lewis having much better race pace than Bottas even if Seb has similar gains on Leclerc.

No idea about the Bull's and the rest look pretty close together but still a good step further back from the top 3 teams.

Well Wolff would know a lot more than me of course but there again it’s difficult to gauge how good Leclerc actually is just yet! But I agree being so close is pretty promising yeah and looks like we may get a repeat of 2018 in terms of the cars being close in performance

Wolf would know more than you but that doesn't mean he's telling the truth. Mercedes could have another 0.5 sec in the bag for all we know.
that is very true, yes. Generally I take what these guys say with a pinch if salt anyway since they invariably have some kind of agenda but from a layman’s Perspective the long runs looked pretty close


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Anyone know what's going on with Racing Point? Have they had issues or are they deliberately doing low mileage? Williams have missed two days of testing and are only 44 laps behind.


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Anyone know what's going on with Racing Point? Have they had issues or are they deliberately doing low mileage? Williams have missed two days of testing and are only 44 laps behind.



I'm pretty sure they're just in a basic launch spec, kinda like Merc last week but with RP bringing all the goodies to Oz instead of this week. Maybe not ready yet but I think they'll be ok even with others bringing some stuff to Melbourne too.

I think they did similar last year but not sure.

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Why is it that after feeling confident that Renault have closed the gap to the top 3, I have a uneasy feeling that not only have they not closed the gap but might even struggle to hold onto the 4th place they got last year?

Sure they've pumped out the laps so reliability looks ok & I understand the times might not be a true representation of the cars ultimate speed so while I'm still confident they've gone forward I have, what is at the moment, just this tiny niggling hesitation that Renault may have overall taken a step backwards.

Can anyone offer any words of comfort to calm my fears?

On the other side of the coin, that Ferrari's looking immense but again, it's only testing I suppose.

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Jezza13 wrote:
Why is it that after feeling confident that Renault have closed the gap to the top 3, I have a uneasy feeling that not only have they not closed the gap but might even struggle to hold onto the 4th place they got last year?

Sure they've pumped out the laps so reliability looks ok & I understand the times might not be a true representation of the cars ultimate speed so while I'm still confident they've gone forward I have, what is at the moment, just this tiny niggling hesitation that Renault may have overall taken a step backwards.

Can anyone offer any words of comfort to calm my fears?

On the other side of the coin, that Ferrari's looking immense but again, it's only testing I suppose.


My general feeling is that there will be quite a bit of flux to start the year as everyone gets on top of some quite game-changing regulations. So, if Renault don't start 4th then it won't necessarily portend badly for them in what I expect to be a very unsettled first third of the season. At the same time if they start 3rd then I wouldn't even begin to bank on it being propitious.

If it's tight, Renault should win the battle for best of the rest anyway - look at their driver pairing!

My expectations for Renault this year is to achieve a very comfortable 4th place, and I'm not expecting them to haul in RBR already, but believe in their long-term vision and project. They're serious.


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Jezza13 wrote:
Why is it that after feeling confident that Renault have closed the gap to the top 3, I have a uneasy feeling that not only have they not closed the gap but might even struggle to hold onto the 4th place they got last year?

Sure they've pumped out the laps so reliability looks ok & I understand the times might not be a true representation of the cars ultimate speed so while I'm still confident they've gone forward I have, what is at the moment, just this tiny niggling hesitation that Renault may have overall taken a step backwards.

Can anyone offer any words of comfort to calm my fears?

On the other side of the coin, that Ferrari's looking immense but again, it's only testing I suppose.

I don't want to comfort you, because I want to believe that McLaren is ahead of Renault! :]

Really though, I think the midfield looks super tight, and there seems to be almost nothing between them. Should be very exciting, but obviously each of us would like to see our favorite team further out in front!

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Jezza13 wrote:
Why is it that after feeling confident that Renault have closed the gap to the top 3, I have a uneasy feeling that not only have they not closed the gap but might even struggle to hold onto the 4th place they got last year?

Sure they've pumped out the laps so reliability looks ok & I understand the times might not be a true representation of the cars ultimate speed so while I'm still confident they've gone forward I have, what is at the moment, just this tiny niggling hesitation that Renault may have overall taken a step backwards.

Can anyone offer any words of comfort to calm my fears?

On the other side of the coin, that Ferrari's looking immense but again, it's only testing I suppose.

I don't want to comfort you, because I want to believe that McLaren is ahead of Renault! :]

Really though, I think the midfield looks super tight, and there seems to be almost nothing between them. Should be very exciting, but obviously each of us would like to see our favorite team further out in front!


Exed while I do like Renault my will for them to succeed is based on a desire for Ricciardo to win & for Renault to rub RB's nose in it but rest assured my friend my heart lies not in Enstone but, as it has since 1988, firmly in Woking.

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The final day of the 2nd test can be followed from here:

https://www.gptoday.net/en/live/f1/245523/live-updates-follow-the-fourth-day-of-the-second-test-in-2019

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Invade wrote:
Jezza13 wrote:
Why is it that after feeling confident that Renault have closed the gap to the top 3, I have a uneasy feeling that not only have they not closed the gap but might even struggle to hold onto the 4th place they got last year?

Sure they've pumped out the laps so reliability looks ok & I understand the times might not be a true representation of the cars ultimate speed so while I'm still confident they've gone forward I have, what is at the moment, just this tiny niggling hesitation that Renault may have overall taken a step backwards.

Can anyone offer any words of comfort to calm my fears?

On the other side of the coin, that Ferrari's looking immense but again, it's only testing I suppose.


My general feeling is that there will be quite a bit of flux to start the year as everyone gets on top of some quite game-changing regulations. So, if Renault don't start 4th then it won't necessarily portend badly for them in what I expect to be a very unsettled first third of the season. At the same time if they start 3rd then I wouldn't even begin to bank on it being propitious.

If it's tight, Renault should win the battle for best of the rest anyway - look at their driver pairing!

My expectations for Renault this year is to achieve a very comfortable 4th place, and I'm not expecting them to haul in RBR already, but believe in their long-term vision and project. They're serious.


There is no way Renault could compete with Red Bull even in current sick regulations(V6 pathetic era) no way they beat Newey car.
I also trust Kubica who said Sauber is faster then Renault, plus we don`t know Honda gains, if there will be nice improvement, Toro Rossos might battle them hard too. The strongest Renault feature imo are drivers really strong pair.


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Nice lineup we got today.


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Lotus49 wrote:
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Anyone know what's going on with Racing Point? Have they had issues or are they deliberately doing low mileage? Williams have missed two days of testing and are only 44 laps behind.



I'm pretty sure they're just in a basic launch spec, kinda like Merc last week but with RP bringing all the goodies to Oz instead of this week. Maybe not ready yet but I think they'll be ok even with others bringing some stuff to Melbourne too.

I think they did similar last year but not sure.


Cheers :thumbup: I think you're right that they did similar last year. So perhaps a slow start for RP, but if the midfield is as close as it might be then that could cost them come the end of the season.


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There's a video showing Vettel's wheel rim just giving up, but I can't find it now. Quite scary how easily that wheel gave up.


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Vettel has done a 1.16.720 on C3 tyres. Fuel loads obviously unknown and it did seem a short run but that seems very impressive.


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JN23 wrote:
Vettel has done a 1.16.720 on C3 tyres. Fuel loads obviously unknown and it did seem a short run but that seems very impressive.

1:16.221 now on C3


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Siao7 wrote:
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Vettel has done a 1.16.720 on C3 tyres. Fuel loads obviously unknown and it did seem a short run but that seems very impressive.

1:16.221 now on C3

That one was C5 according to autosport.


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Vettel and Leclerc's qualifying aim 1 hundredth apart :evil:


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JN23 wrote:
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Vettel has done a 1.16.720 on C3 tyres. Fuel loads obviously unknown and it did seem a short run but that seems very impressive.

1:16.221 now on C3

That one was C5 according to autosport.

Oh thanks, it showed C3 in the otherwebsite


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Vettel has stopped out on track. There's been a few issues for Ferrari this week, I wonder if they have a bit of a reliability issue or they're seeing how far they can push things?


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And only 29 laps for Verstappen in the Red Bull so far today. RB say they are investigating a gearbox issue.


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Vettel has stopped out on track. There's been a few issues for Ferrari this week, I wonder if they have a bit of a reliability issue or they're seeing how far they can push things?

Yeah, that's exactly what I wrote yesterday


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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14184 ... f-mercedes
Hamilton echoes Wolf's assessment here; claiming that they estimate Ferrari to be half a second quicker. Now either they are really playing serious mind games here like never before or Mercedes are actually well behind Ferrari heading into the season. It seems possible that Ferrari will have a dominant package to start the year.


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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/141840/hamilton-ferrari-may-be-05s-clear-of-mercedes
Hamilton echoes Wolf's assessment here; claiming that they estimate Ferrari to be half a second quicker. Now either they are really playing serious mind games here like never before or Mercedes are actually well behind Ferrari heading into the season. It seems possible that Ferrari will have a dominant package to start the year.

If true that would suggest to me that Mercedes have taken a wrong turn somewhere as that would probably put them near the front of the midfield, which is definitely not what you'd expect.

Binotto made a statement today where he said he was quite unhappy at the moment, which many have taken to mean regarding reliability. He says they still have a lot to do. I find it impossible to read the truth from any of them tbh. I think they're all playing games to a certain extent


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Zoue wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/141840/hamilton-ferrari-may-be-05s-clear-of-mercedes
Hamilton echoes Wolf's assessment here; claiming that they estimate Ferrari to be half a second quicker. Now either they are really playing serious mind games here like never before or Mercedes are actually well behind Ferrari heading into the season. It seems possible that Ferrari will have a dominant package to start the year.

If true that would suggest to me that Mercedes have taken a wrong turn somewhere as that would probably put them near the front of the midfield, which is definitely not what you'd expect.

Binotto made a statement today where he said he was quite unhappy at the moment, which many have taken to mean regarding reliability. He says they still have a lot to do. I find it impossible to read the truth from any of them tbh. I think they're all playing games to a certain extent

Yeah, in the end you just can't really know until the first race weekend.


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Ferrari's test is over. Vettel stopped due to an electrical issue & they won't be heading out anymore.

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sandman1347 wrote:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/141840/hamilton-ferrari-may-be-05s-clear-of-mercedes
Hamilton echoes Wolf's assessment here; claiming that they estimate Ferrari to be half a second quicker. Now either they are really playing serious mind games here like never before or Mercedes are actually well behind Ferrari heading into the season. It seems possible that Ferrari will have a dominant package to start the year.


I wonder if Mercedes are playing mind games in letting Ferrari believe they're comfortably ahead so they get complacent & Mercedes throws in a shocker of a car at Melbourne.

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sandman1347 wrote:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/141840/hamilton-ferrari-may-be-05s-clear-of-mercedes
Hamilton echoes Wolf's assessment here; claiming that they estimate Ferrari to be half a second quicker. Now either they are really playing serious mind games here like never before or Mercedes are actually well behind Ferrari heading into the season. It seems possible that Ferrari will have a dominant package to start the year.


I wonder if Mercedes are playing mind games in letting Ferrari believe they're comfortably ahead so they get complacent & Mercedes throws in a shocker of a car at Melbourne.


I imagine there will be no complacency from any team.


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Hamilton pounding it on the C5, up to third with a 1:16.628


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Hamilton does 1.16.628 on C4, less than a tenth slower than Bottas' time this morning on a compound harder.

I reckon (a guess really) that Ferrari are about a tenth or two ahead of Merc, but who knows.


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sandman1347 wrote:
Zoue wrote:
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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/141840/hamilton-ferrari-may-be-05s-clear-of-mercedes
Hamilton echoes Wolf's assessment here; claiming that they estimate Ferrari to be half a second quicker. Now either they are really playing serious mind games here like never before or Mercedes are actually well behind Ferrari heading into the season. It seems possible that Ferrari will have a dominant package to start the year.

If true that would suggest to me that Mercedes have taken a wrong turn somewhere as that would probably put them near the front of the midfield, which is definitely not what you'd expect.

Binotto made a statement today where he said he was quite unhappy at the moment, which many have taken to mean regarding reliability. He says they still have a lot to do. I find it impossible to read the truth from any of them tbh. I think they're all playing games to a certain extent

Yeah, in the end you just can't really know until the first race weekend.

True, and even then, the first GP can be an outlier.


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Hamilton pounding it on the C5, up to third with a 1:16.628
According to Autosport he was on the C4 compound, which would make his lap quicker than Bottas tyre-adjusted.

Ferrari certainly look ahead, but it's difficult to know exactly as we can't say for sure what the compound differences are. I think I might be right in saying Hamilton's is the fastest C4 time? In which case are they maybe not so far away from each other at all?


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