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Is it true Alfa are putting in 250m to the budget this year*? That would be mental from Fiat considering the half billion already going to Ferrari.

If true then yeah they could lead the midfield assuming the top 3 are still in their own Sport. They'd have similar chassis budget to Macca and Renault but a far better engine so even if they lagged a bit chassis wise they'd still be competitive.

*Mentioned on Sky earlier.

I'm not 100% sure about their budget but I will keep my eyes open for confirmation of that. But yeah, one of the other big advantages that they have over the other midfield teams is their closeness to Ferrari. That partnership has taken them to the next level.


Yeah and I really think Williams need to get that sort of relationship with Mercedes pronto, its sounding dire down there and while doing it on your own is admirable and they're a historic outfit, needs must and they're in danger of being left behind I fear.

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Looks like Williams will be the slowest team since their car is not even ready for testing :?

Alfa 1sec down on Ferrari is probably normal. But RBR and STR have done literally same time. Surely RBR should be 1sec on STR as well. What is the difference between C3 and C4 tyres ? I guess first priority is the reliability and may next week or last few days every team might go for performance.

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Is it true Alfa are putting in 250m to the budget this year*? That would be mental from Fiat considering the half billion already going to Ferrari.

If true then yeah they could lead the midfield assuming the top 3 are still in their own Sport. They'd have similar chassis budget to Macca and Renault but a far better engine so even if they lagged a bit chassis wise they'd still be competitive.

*Mentioned on Sky earlier.

I'm not 100% sure about their budget but I will keep my eyes open for confirmation of that. But yeah, one of the other big advantages that they have over the other midfield teams is their closeness to Ferrari. That partnership has taken them to the next level.


Yeah and I really think Williams need to get that sort of relationship with Mercedes pronto, its sounding dire down there and while doing it on your own is admirable and they're a historic outfit, needs must and they're in danger of being left behind I fear.

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Totally agree. They need to be in survival mode and instead they are being stubborn. Partnering closely with Mercedes would firmly secure them a foothold in the upper-mid-field. That would be a massive improvement from where they have been the last couple of years. I honestly don't know if they'll make it.

I hate to blame Claire but her unlimited job security despite the way that things have spiraled out of control is a red flag. If any team on the grid needs a change in the pit lane, it's Williams; who began the hybrid era with the 2nd best car and have done nothing but lose ground every year since.


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Don't know whether it's down to fuel loads, program or performance but Renault can't be too happy to have all of their engine powered cars propping up the bottom of the timesheets. It's a consolation that McLaren are putting in a very respectable number of laps but OTOH so are Red Bull and they are nearly a second ahead in the timings. In all fairness the two cars in front of them are the Mercs and they are almost certainly taking it easy but you have to hope Renault are focusing on reliability first and haven't shown their cards yet

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The Ferrari and McLaren look beautiful on the track.

Hamilton and Kvyat were battling for track position for quite some time. Hamilton did not find it easy to pass - also I haven't seen Mercedes use the DRS much or at all in the viewing so far.


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Still early days but it's evident Ferrari are going to be really strong, and Mclaren looks solid (After Alonso's departure of course lol) A low to mid 18 is a really good time on the first day out, no matter how you cut it. Looking at the Ferrari on track, it looks stunning. Merc not so much, and they don't look particularly fast, although they usually do not go full tilt on the first day. We probably won't have any idea of the pecking order until the second test though.

Shame about Williams, but I think Claire needs to take the blame here. Sorry. I've listened to her Beyond the grid podcast and what I got from that is the way she got the job, it didn't seem like she wanted it. She was pushed into it by Toto and Bernie, and the team has been in complete shambles since she has taken over. It's pretty much guaranteed that they will be slowest now. Not good.


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Not even sure Williams will do any testing in the first test right now.


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Ferrari looks majestic.That front wing is one of the most visually pleasing I can remember seeing, and it seems to be working pretty well too. By comparison, Merc's front wing looks like a snowplow. :P

I'd say that's down to Ferrari focusing more on creating that outwash with their wing while Mercedes seem to have focused on maximizing the amount of downforce the wing creates.


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Amazing day fro Ferrari with 169 laps. Also Mclaren doing 100+ laps is a huge improvement over last year lol. Though I think Mclaren did a low fuel run at the end. It is just testing by Hamilton/Bottas as well as Ricciardo/Hulk doing same time as their team mates:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.f1-pre-season-testing-vettel-heads-sainz-at-the-end-of-day-1.2JJU5sSZJ2MC4w0HzkYVhK.html

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Clarky wrote:
https://www.gptoday.net/en/live/f1/245223/live-updates-follow-the-first-day-of-the-first-test-in-2019

https://www.autosport.com/f1/live/28537 ... y-one-2019


Thanks a ton for the GPtoday link. It's way better than Autosport's page as there is a complete timings screen with so many details. It makes it more Live as every faster lap gets automatically updated in a flash.

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As per some reports I read Williams is in a whole load of mess! 1 big reason being their braking system & cooling ducts had a design fault which they only realised when putting the car together. The braking system had to be redesigned & built causing the delay. The partially built car will arrive at 2am on Wednesday morning & they hopefully will run the car on the 3rd day...

Also some insider sources claim this year's car is already 2 seconds slower than last year's car. All these rumours true or not, it's damn worrying.

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That's real bummer. I was hoping for some progress for them since Kubica is there. Hopefully it's not wasted season.

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Link for following today's test:

https://www.gptoday.net/en/live/f1/245268/live-updates-follow-the-second-day-of-the-first-test-in-2019

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Albon causes a red flag already as he spun exiting turn 4!

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09:59 Leclerc goes straight to the top of the times with a 1m21.871s on C2 tyres.
10:00 And he's straight into the 1m20s with a 1m20.346s as we complete the first hour of day two.
10:01 Leclerc finds nearly a full second on his next lap - 1m19.427s.
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11:49 I've been out watching all the way from Turn 1 to Turn 9 this morning.

The Ferrari looks very good and stable in the change of direction and the rear end in particular seems planted.

The Mercedes still seems better on the kerbs, at T7 for example and their traction is still excellent. Lewis also seems the most comfortable to have just a tiny lift through the ultra fast T9 despite carrying a decent fuel load.

The Honda’s gearshifts and engine note seem audibly much smoother than last year and I’m sure Gasly’s on a decent fuel load as he’s just pounding round and round with the Red Bull looking very consistent and balanced. That traditional strong front end in the medium/slow speed corners continues to be a characteristic and you can see how deep Gasly can go on the brakes into T1 and T4.

Of the midfield cars, the Alfa continues to impress as a consistently balanced car and looks particularly good in the medium speed corners.Karun Chandhok

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Renault has stopped the testing program after rear wing accident in Riciardo's car and will investigate the problem


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What's happened at Haas? Kevin Magnussen has only completed nine laps today.

This, after Romain Grosjean was one of the least active yesterday.

How peculiar...

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Assuming Leclerc is on a similar programme to Vettel yesterday this rivalry is shaping up nicely. Leclerc is struggling to hook up his best lap but is putting in times only 1-2 tenths slower than Vettel yesterday.

Way too early to read into it of course as it's only testing but that's promisingly close.


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Solid number of laps from the front runners today again. Ferrari once again leading in both times and lap numbers (67), while Mercedes, Red Bull and Alfa Romeo join them in the 50+ laps club, with McLaren and TR knocking on the door. And Norris produced a pretty impressive time on the hard compound tyre, 3rd overall


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Incase anyone wants to read this:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.f1-testing-what-the-data-tells-us-from-day-1.3BmLD8ytlMkk2kqvUfejNt.html?fbclid=IwAR2ZdKYMAmovGo-eAQJmPMd7VaMd7pDrE_OtStkuCmKirDAcUUTrwFrJcz8

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Fascinating, thanks for posting the link! I wonder, Toro Rosso, Red Bull and A.R.(Sauber) fastest in the speed traps... all three lacking downforce, I wonder? I could understand this, if not for Red Bull. Intriguing and well worth keeping an eye on.

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Data from a few minutes ago - total laps over two days until now:

Team:
SF90 257
W10 248
RB15 205
MCL34 177
C38 176
RS19 146
STR14 143
VF-19 98
RP19 79

PU:
Ferrari 531
Honda 348
Mercedes 327
Renault 323

The Ferrari PU has an extra car running so their huge lead is normal, but look at that Honda.

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mds wrote:
Data from a few minutes ago - total laps over two days until now:

Team:
SF90 257
W10 248
RB15 205
MCL34 177
C38 176
RS19 146
STR14 143
VF-19 98
RP19 79

PU:
Ferrari 531
Honda 348
Mercedes 327
Renault 323

The Ferrari PU has an extra car running so their huge lead is normal, but look at that Honda.


VF19 has only 100 laps, so even with 2 cars the Ferrari PU would be in the lead by almost 100 laps (at the time of your post!)


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Who's topping the speed trap?
Read into it what you want with different programmes at play across the field, but here's the top four in today's speed trap at the moment:
1. Norris, McLaren-Renault, 337kph
2. Albon, Toro Rosso-Honda, 329kph
3. Giovinazzi, Alfa Romeo-Ferrari, 328kph
4. Bottas, Mercedes, 322kph
5. Leclerc, Ferrari, 321 kph


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16:24 Leclerc's C3 tyres could be crying enough here. His last three laps are a 1m24.6s, 25.6s, 26.6s. That's some pretty severe drop-off. Those are laps eight, nine and 10 of this stint.

Seems a pretty short stint to be having such a severe drop off. I do hope we're not getting cheese tyres again 8O


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Could Alonso test for McLaren during Test Two?
"Fernando is part of the McLaren family," adds sporting director De Ferran.
"I think that in itself is a great plus to the team. I think he might be here next week."

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Mercedes seem slow thus far.

Day one of testing in 2017 they were fastest by 0.1.
Day one of testing in 2018, 2nd fastest, just 0.2 off of Red Bull (Mercedes on harder tyre too)

Obviously, fuel loads, tyres, modes etc etc.. but Mercedes, relative to all other years have never sand bagged like this.

Does anybody have a long run analysis of the the cars?


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Another 150+ for Ferrari and Meredes. Gasly missed out today but STR did some 130 laps so this time Honda is not having too much disadvantage with only 1 team. Mclaren again setting really nice time in the end. Ricciardo also missed out today. It seems like it will take him some time to get used to Renault. His time and Hulk are almost same again.

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Mercedes seem slow thus far.

Day one of testing in 2017 they were fastest by 0.1.
Day one of testing in 2018, 2nd fastest, just 0.2 off of Red Bull (Mercedes on harder tyre too)

Obviously, fuel loads, tyres, modes etc etc.. but Mercedes, relative to all other years have never sand bagged like this.

Does anybody have a long run analysis of the the cars?


Sky seemed to indicate there long-run pace was fast and consistant, but no times quoted..

I also believe theres a difference between sandbagging and chasing fastest laps at this point in the test. Mercedes ended up with the fifth fastest lap time at winter testing last year..


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Mercedes has a habit to carry more fuel than others during testing and Fridays as well. I am sure they will right up there fighting for the wins

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It's nice to see every team getting a decent amount of testing laps in so far. Especially McLaren!

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M44 wrote:
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Mercedes seem slow thus far.

Day one of testing in 2017 they were fastest by 0.1.
Day one of testing in 2018, 2nd fastest, just 0.2 off of Red Bull (Mercedes on harder tyre too)

Obviously, fuel loads, tyres, modes etc etc.. but Mercedes, relative to all other years have never sand bagged like this.

Does anybody have a long run analysis of the the cars?


Sky seemed to indicate there long-run pace was fast and consistant, but no times quoted..

I also believe theres a difference between sandbagging and chasing fastest laps at this point in the test. Mercedes ended up with the fifth fastest lap time at winter testing last year..


Wasn't that because they only ran the medium tyre for Q simulation? Whilst everybody else ran softs and SS for qualifying simulations. They also topped numerous days last season, often setting the best time on harder compounds than the others.


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mds wrote:
Data from a few minutes ago - total laps over two days until now:

Team:
SF90 257
W10 248
RB15 205
MCL34 177
C38 176
RS19 146
STR14 143
VF-19 98
RP19 79

PU:
Ferrari 531
Honda 348
Mercedes 327
Renault 323

The Ferrari PU has an extra car running so their huge lead is normal, but look at that Honda.


Honda doing a great job, looks like its working now the HP issue needs to be uncovered.

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Ferrari look like they will be the team to beat. Their car looks like a real pleasure to drive. Very planted, very smooth. The Merc, by comparison, looks a bit of a handful. Mercedes are running heavier without question and it's far too early to feel 100% confident in any conclusion but Ferrari just look like they have it this year.

Red Bull are the darkhorse for the titles though. The engine reliability is VERY impressive from Honda so far and the car looks twitchy and responsive as always. Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if Mercedes are third best to start the year.


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sandman1347 wrote:
Ferrari look like they will be the team to beat. Their car looks like a real pleasure to drive. Very planted, very smooth. The Merc, by comparison, looks a bit of a handful. Mercedes are running heavier without question and it's far too early to feel 100% confident in any conclusion but Ferrari just look like they have it this year.

Red Bull are the darkhorse for the titles though. The engine reliability is VERY impressive from Honda so far and the car looks twitchy and responsive as always. Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if Mercedes are third best to start the year.


Why third?

Might as well go for fifth as Alfa Romeo and Renault will be ahead of them as well.


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Ferrari look like they will be the team to beat. Their car looks like a real pleasure to drive. Very planted, very smooth. The Merc, by comparison, looks a bit of a handful. Mercedes are running heavier without question and it's far too early to feel 100% confident in any conclusion but Ferrari just look like they have it this year.

Red Bull are the darkhorse for the titles though. The engine reliability is VERY impressive from Honda so far and the car looks twitchy and responsive as always. Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if Mercedes are third best to start the year.


Why third?

Might as well go for fifth as Alfa Romeo and Renault will be ahead of them as well.

I see, so now Red Bull and Ferrari are synonymous with Alfa and Renault?

Renault actually look kind of weak so far. I think Haas might still be best of the rest in terms of their car. Renault, McLaren, and Sauber look fairly similar overall. Racing Point have already confirmed that they will be arriving in Melbourne with an upgrade package so we can't read too much into what they're doing yet.


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sandman1347 wrote:
Ferrari look like they will be the team to beat. Their car looks like a real pleasure to drive. Very planted, very smooth. The Merc, by comparison, looks a bit of a handful. Mercedes are running heavier without question and it's far too early to feel 100% confident in any conclusion but Ferrari just look like they have it this year.

Red Bull are the darkhorse for the titles though. The engine reliability is VERY impressive from Honda so far and the car looks twitchy and responsive as always. Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if Mercedes are third best to start the year.

I think you're reading far too much into what we have seen so far. The first test is all about data collecting. Does the aero performance correlate to the wind tunnel and CFD? How balanced is the car? How does it respond to setup changes? How does it work the tyres? These are all questions that need answering before seeing how fast it goes over a single lap. To say that Ferrari are out in front based on the first two days of testing feels very premature.


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