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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:24 am 
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With Stroll getting announced as the 2nd driver at Racing Piont, all the lineups are now confirmed. My rating for the lineups is as below:

1. Vettel / Leclerc
2. Hamilton Bottas
3. Ricciardo / Hulkenberg
4. Verstappen / Gasly
5. Grosjean / Magnussen
6. Raikkonen / Giovinazzi
7. Perez / Stroll
8. Sainz / Norris
9. Russell / Kubica
10. Kvyat / Albon

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:44 pm 
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I am looking forward to F1 2019 seeing how the new drivers fair in their new teams, this year I think saw the biggest year of driver changes for a long time.


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paulsf1fix wrote:
I am looking forward to F1 2019 seeing how the new drivers fair in their new teams, this year I think saw the biggest year of driver changes for a long time.


I don’t think I’ve ever seen this many. Only 2 teams have retained the same lineup as last year


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:31 am 
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As a quick explanation of my method, I'm giving every driver a mental 1-10 and combining their numbers to come up with a ranking. This is, therefore, more of a WCC threat table than a WDC threat table.

1. Vettel / Leclerc (9 / 9)
~ 2. Hamilton / Bottas (10 / 7)
~ 2. Verstappen / Gasly (10 / 7)
4. Ricciardo / Hulkenberg (9 / 7)
~ 5. Sainz / Norris (7 / 7)
~ 5. Russell / Kubica (7 / 7)
7. Raikkonen / Giovinazzi (7 / 6)
8. Perez / Stroll (8 / 4)
9. Grosjean / Magnussen (6 / 6)
10. Kvyat / Albon (5 / 6)

Kubica and Giovinazzi are the ones I consider the biggest unknowns, although Albon is also difficult to place. My rating assumes that Kubica will not be coming back at full ability: if he is able to, Williams might be able to threaten Renault for the #4 spot.

Explanations for a few others:

* I see Russel as more F1-ready than Norris, but similar in ability. Norris needs to fix his qualifying weakness from F2, but he has shown flashes that make me think his talent ceiling may be as high or higher than Russels (night stint at Daytona for example).
* I believe Leclerc has the potential to be a 10, as does perhaps Vettel in a good year. We'll see - for different reasons - if either of them can achieve that in 2019.
* I honestly didn't know how to rate GIO, so I just gave him one notch below where I rated Gasly.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:17 am 
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Exediron, Stroll is really very underrated, and by almost everybody here (as Grosjean is, but that's another matter)... If What's-the-Point F1 Team is as good as Force India was, according to your method, their line-up may well end being tied 5th, if not 4,5th.
Kubica's come-back is great story at the moment, but I'm afraid that it will soon turn into a sad one. Hope I'm wrong. For now rating Williams' line-up is quite impossible (though Russell is certainly the best of the newcomers).

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Double post, sorry.

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1. Vettel / Leclerc (9 / 8 )
~ 1. Ricciardo / Hulkenberg (9 / 8 )
~ 1. Hamilton / Bottas (10 / 7)
4. Verstappen / Gasly (10 / 6)
5. Grosjean / Magnussen (8 / 7)
~ 5. Perez / Stroll (8 / 7)
7. Sainz / Norris (7 / 6)
8. Russell / Kubica (6 / 6)
9. Raikkonen / Giovinazzi (7 / 5)
10. Kvyat / Albon (6 / 5)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:36 am 
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the numbers some people have used seems a bit confusing. Isn't 10 the best possible? 2 have put a 10 for Verstappen and isn't it very clear he threw away many chances of of getting a huge amount more points. Yes, given he still beat Bottas shows he's extremely good, but it is so obvious he wasn't on his top form all year. Certainly don't think he's been as good as Hamilton and even he has had several races where he underperformed. Guess people are free to have their own opinions, but rating Bottas with the same number as Stroll seems a bit odd. Massa looked way better than Stroll and Bottas dominated Massa in qualifying and a good deal of the races too.


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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
the numbers some people have used seems a bit confusing. Isn't 10 the best possible? 2 have put a 10 for Verstappen and isn't it very clear he threw away many chances of of getting a huge amount more points. Yes, given he still beat Bottas shows he's extremely good, but it is so obvious he wasn't on his top form all year.

We're not rating how well they drove in 2018. Verstappen did have some very poor performances early in the year, but in terms of his pure ability I do indeed rate him in the same category as Hamilton (and Alonso, but he's not on the grid in 2019).

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I have a feeling that car performance has too big impact on those rankings :)

Honestly I have a feeling that Haas driver lineup is one of the worst if not the worst on entire grid.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:10 am 
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Mayox wrote:
I have a feeling that car performance has too big impact on those rankings :)

Honestly I have a feeling that Haas driver lineup is one of the worst if not the worst on entire grid.

I have them second to last, so obviously I share that feeling. 8)

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1. Ferrari (9/9)
2. Mercedes (10/7)
=2. Renault (9/8)
4. Red Bull (9/7)
5. Haas (7/7)
6. Force India (8/5)

I don’t think we have enough data to judge the rest, as every other team has at least one rookie.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:15 am 
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While, as a Ferrari fan, I certainly hope that all who selected Vettel/leClerc as the top pairing prove to be right, it seems like a lot to expect from a relatively inexperienced driver in the Scuderia for the first time. Is it fair to leClerc to rank him so near the top of the F1 ranks at this point?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:16 am 
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Exediron wrote:
Mayox wrote:
I have a feeling that car performance has too big impact on those rankings :)

Honestly I have a feeling that Haas driver lineup is one of the worst if not the worst on entire grid.

I have them second to last, so obviously I share that feeling. 8)

Speedwise, Grosjean was a match for Raikkonen at Lotus. Magnussen also matched Button in qualifying in his rookie season (the score was 10-9).

I think they are both reasonably quick drivers.

The problem is that Grosjean lacks spatial awareness and has fragile confidence. Magnussen is just a psychopath.


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KingVoid wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Mayox wrote:
I have a feeling that car performance has too big impact on those rankings :)

Honestly I have a feeling that Haas driver lineup is one of the worst if not the worst on entire grid.

I have them second to last, so obviously I share that feeling. 8)

Speedwise, Grosjean was a match for Raikkonen at Lotus. Magnussen also matched Button in qualifying in his rookie season (the score was 10-9).

I think they are both reasonably quick drivers.

The problem is that Grosjean lacks spatial awareness and has fragile confidence. Magnussen is just a psychopath.

Yeah, but we're not just talking about speed. We're looking at the complete package, and both Magnussen and Grosjean disappear for half of every year.

(And as far as the Button comparison, while Magnussen may have matched him in qualifying he was nowhere near in the races)

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Exediron wrote:
TheGiantHogweed wrote:
the numbers some people have used seems a bit confusing. Isn't 10 the best possible? 2 have put a 10 for Verstappen and isn't it very clear he threw away many chances of of getting a huge amount more points. Yes, given he still beat Bottas shows he's extremely good, but it is so obvious he wasn't on his top form all year.

We're not rating how well they drove in 2018. Verstappen did have some very poor performances early in the year, but in terms of his pure ability I do indeed rate him in the same category as Hamilton (and Alonso, but he's not on the grid in 2019).

But even in previous years, his risks only sometimes pay off. He takes more than Hamilton and a lot end in damage or retirement. And when overtaking, he had very little consideration for who he is doing it on. He just expects them to move. And if they don't, he will crash. Hamilton is way better at this IMO. I easily see him as a level above Verstappen. Maybe not on speed but consistency and keeping things clean.


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1. Hamilton / Bottas (10 / 7)
2. Ricciardo / Hulkenberg (8,5 / 8 )
3. Vettel / Leclerc (8 / 7,5)
= Verstappen / Gasly (9 / 6,5)
5. Grosjean / Magnussen (7 / 7,5)
= Sainz / Norris (7 / 7,5)
7. Perez / Stroll (8 / 5)
8. Russell / Kubica (6,5 / 6)
9. Raikkonen / Giovinazzi (6,5 / 4)
= Kvyat / Albon (6 / 4,5)


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:05 pm 
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Renault have their strongest driver lineup since Alonso/Fisi. Hulkenberg is solid and will pick up points regularly. Ricciardo is very capable of some special performances.

Torro Rosso's line up looks fairly weak on paper. They need Kvyat to be on late 2014/early 2015 form. Williams have strengthened their lineup while Racing Point have bizarrely self sacrificed for the sake of nepotism.

For Red Bull, Gasly won't be able to hoover up if/when Max makes errors I fear. Mclaren have lost their X factor but this fresh and hungry pairing may lead to a better atmosphere at the team.


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1. Vettel / Leclerc (8 / 9)
~ 2. Hamilton / Bottas (10 / 7)
~ 2. Verstappen / Gasly (10 / 7)
4. Ricciardo / Hulkenberg (9 / 7)
~ 5. Sainz / Norris (7 / 7)
~ 5. Russell / Kubica (7 / 7)
7. Raikkonen / Giovinazzo (8 / 6)
8. Perez / Stroll (8 / 5)
9. Grosjean / Magnussen (6 / 7)
10. Kvyat / Albon (5 / 6)


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