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 Post subject: Kimi's debut year
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:13 pm 
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It's as good a time as any to be nostalgic for Kimi's early years what with him returning to Sauber. I read this article from 2001 that really highlights what a battle it was to get Kimi on the grid in 2001.

Max Mosley himself opposed the hiring and Dietrich Mateschitz of Sauber's main sponser Red Bull (whatever happened to them?) thought that Enrique Bernoldi of the Red Bull junior team was a better bet. It's fair to say that Red Bull's talent spotting has improved since.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.hitc ... raikkonen/


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 Post subject: Re: Kimi's debut year
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:48 am 
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Loosely related but it did jump out at me that less than 20 years ago one of the financially poorer teams on the grid could pick two drivers based on nothing but driving talent.


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 Post subject: Re: Kimi's debut year
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Loosely related but it did jump out at me that less than 20 years ago one of the financially poorer teams on the grid could pick two drivers based on nothing but driving talent.


Tobacco money was alive and well in F1 then!


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 Post subject: Re: Kimi's debut year
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:47 am 
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Loosely related but it did jump out at me that less than 20 years ago one of the financially poorer teams on the grid could pick two drivers based on nothing but driving talent.

That is not to say that they didn't have any backing whatsoever though. But I take your point, it seemed easier back then.

What gets me is why would Mosley have ANY saying on which driver a team hires? Unless there are some serious grounds for opposing it, e.g. the driver is a convicted felon or 12 years old (!!), or whatever.


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 Post subject: Re: Kimi's debut year
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:51 am 
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Siao7 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Loosely related but it did jump out at me that less than 20 years ago one of the financially poorer teams on the grid could pick two drivers based on nothing but driving talent.

That is not to say that they didn't have any backing whatsoever though. But I take your point, it seemed easier back then.

What gets me is why would Mosley have ANY saying on which driver a team hires? Unless there are some serious grounds for opposing it, e.g. the driver is a convicted felon or 12 years old (!!), or whatever.


It was in regards to Kimi's lack of experience. Coming straight from formula Renault he was felt to inexperienced to be given a super licence.


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 Post subject: Re: Kimi's debut year
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Siao7 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Loosely related but it did jump out at me that less than 20 years ago one of the financially poorer teams on the grid could pick two drivers based on nothing but driving talent.

That is not to say that they didn't have any backing whatsoever though. But I take your point, it seemed easier back then.

What gets me is why would Mosley have ANY saying on which driver a team hires? Unless there are some serious grounds for opposing it, e.g. the driver is a convicted felon or 12 years old (!!), or whatever.


It was in regards to Kimi's lack of experience. Coming straight from formula Renault he was felt to inexperienced to be given a super licence.

Ah, thanks, I will admit I did not read the article, as I am at work.


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 Post subject: Re: Kimi's debut year
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:14 pm 
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Yes, Before his F1 debut, Kimi had very few starts in open wheeled single seat cars compared to all other drivers, but several people, including Michael Schumacher immediately realized Kimi was something special and Peter & Co. signed him against their Title Sponsor's wishes, who wanted their guy to be given the seat instead of Kimi.

Years later Red Bull sponsored Kimi's Rally stint, go figure.

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 Post subject: Re: Kimi's debut year
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I have read the article before that even though Kimi barely had driven a decent car before coming to F1 after testing MS said he can be WC looking at his telemetry data. Moreover back in those days they did not have F2, GP2 where basically they are groomed and come very prepared for F1 like Hamilton etc. I think if you are going to be really big in F1 you can already see sign of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icawovR-T1Q

There was lot of hype that Kimi is the next big thing in F1 as he went to Mclaren when Mika left and then to Ferrari to replace MS. How ever makes it into F1 is pretty good but you definitely need some luck as well to be successful or even survive like Perez, Hulk. I am sure Hulk will be in podium before he retires lol. Button also got success pretty late.

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 Post subject: Re: Kimi's debut year
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Loosely related but it did jump out at me that less than 20 years ago one of the financially poorer teams on the grid could pick two drivers based on nothing but driving talent.


The late 90s and early 2000s had the tobacco money which allowed teams like Jordan to snap up proven commodities like Hill and then Frentzen. The flip side to this was a midfield merry go round.

Drivers like Fisi, Trulli, Alesi, Panis, Jos Verstappen, Frentzen etc would just swap around midfield teams like Prost, Sauber, Arrows, Jordan and others season after season.

Nowadays with the strong feeder series things are a bit more cutthroat. Teams further down the grid tend to prefer a pay driver paired with an up and comer to maximise revenue as opposed to a couple of useful journeymen.


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