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I think it's hilarious that a team would willingly sabotage one driver's race just to make another feel better.

Mercedes have obliterated Hamiton's lead on multiple occasions to help his teammate improve their race. Ultimately, the team orders against Leclerc could have been justified but what happened to the grace period that Kimi had in 2017 and 2018.

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I think the team order itself was reasonable. I think it's a shame Leclerc was treated like a spare since then.


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Zoue wrote:
I think it's hilarious that a team would willingly sabotage one driver's race just to make another feel better.

Mercedes have obliterated Hamiton's lead on multiple occasions to help his teammate improve their race. Ultimately, the team orders against Leclerc could have been justified but what happened to the grace period that Kimi had in 2017 and 2018.

I don't see the relevance really. In this particular instance Leclerc was slower and Ferrari clearly didn't want Mercedes getting too far away. Hindsight has meant that Max got between them but that was a possibility anyway and if Leclerc had been quicker it wouldn't have been an issue. Their hand was forced because Red Bull tried an undercut and that nearly worked.


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I think the team order itself was reasonable. I think it's a shame Leclerc was treated like a spare since then.

I agree his strategy since then was weird. They left themselves too much to do


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Finally someone actually taking the free point for a fastest lap with a free pitstop, leclerc would have also done this in Melbourne as well as now


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Gasly going for fastest lap


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redbull going for fastest lap with gasly


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Finally someone actually taking the free point for a fastest lap with a free pitstop, leclerc would have also done this in Melbourne as well as now

Gasly's the only one who could, to be fair. Everyone else stands to lose more than they gain


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Gasly get it, but only just!


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Hahahahaha gasly couldn't get fastest lap with brand new softs and 20laps less fuel. Jesus Christ he is not having a good start to 2019

Ah nevermind he just about got it


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Hahahahaha gasly couldn't get fastest lap with brand new softs and 20laps less fuel. Jesus Christ he is not having a good start to 2019

he did get it?


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Ah yeah he did lol, looked like he wasn't gonna get it half way through the lap


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Ah yeah he did lol, looked like he wasn't gonna get it half way through the lap

he made up a huge amount in the final sector. But he only just got it by less than a tenth


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Wonder if he had made a mistake on the lap, would be interested in seeing it


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Could Ferrari not have pit Leclerc to have a go for FL?

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Zoue wrote:
F1Tyrant wrote:
Zoue wrote:
I think it's hilarious that a team would willingly sabotage one driver's race just to make another feel better.

Mercedes have obliterated Hamiton's lead on multiple occasions to help his teammate improve their race. Ultimately, the team orders against Leclerc could have been justified but what happened to the grace period that Kimi had in 2017 and 2018.

I don't see the relevance really. In this particular instance Leclerc was slower and Ferrari clearly didn't want Mercedes getting too far away. Hindsight has meant that Max got between them but that was a possibility anyway and if Leclerc had been quicker it wouldn't have been an issue. Their hand was forced because Red Bull tried an undercut and that nearly worked.

Leclerc was only 1 or 2 tenths slower, perhaps questionable, why did they sign Leclerc to do what Kimi was able to previously?

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FormulaFun wrote:
Hahahahaha gasly couldn't get fastest lap with brand new softs and 20laps less fuel. Jesus Christ he is not having a good start to 2019

Ah nevermind he just about got it


ive changed my definition of impatience after that.


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Bottas will be feeling pretty underwhelmed here. Hamilton was absolutely nowhere even as late as final practice. It's three podiums out of three though so he is right in tge mixer.


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Could Ferrari not have pit Leclerc to have a go for FL?


Yes they could have, for the 2nd time this season


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Leclerc's race surely was screwed. Expect him to vent his frustration in an interview or two!

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FormulaFun wrote:
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Could Ferrari not have pit Leclerc to have a go for FL?


Yes they could have, for the 2nd time this season


I thought as much :?

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Caserole of Nonsense wrote:
FormulaFun wrote:
Hahahahaha gasly couldn't get fastest lap with brand new softs and 20laps less fuel. Jesus Christ he is not having a good start to 2019

Ah nevermind he just about got it


ive changed my definition of impatience after that.


Saw him finish his lap and it didn't mention anywhere he'd got the fastest lap and half way round he was not going fastest, logical assumption


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F1_Ernie wrote:
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Could Ferrari not have pit Leclerc to have a go for FL?


Yes they could have, for the 2nd time this season


I thought as much :?


Don't think he had any softs that were worth using left.


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FormulaFun wrote:
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Could Ferrari not have pit Leclerc to have a go for FL?


Yes they could have, for the 2nd time this season


but then he would have taken a point away from his team mate.


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Nice to see a replay of kvyat effectively getting a penalty for getting hit in the rear of his car

Who hit him?

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FormulaFun wrote:
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Could Ferrari not have pit Leclerc to have a go for FL?


Yes they could have, for the 2nd time this season

Oh come on. He had every opportunity. He pitted with some 15 laps to go and was supposed to be on a charge and yet still couldn't beat his team mate's lap time who set his several laps earlier and had to go much longer on his tyres. He should beaten Vettel at least and by doing so would likely have had the point as Gasly only just pipped him by less than a tenth.

Honestly, at what point does the driver shoulder any of the responsibility?


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Nice to see a replay of kvyat effectively getting a penalty for getting hit in the rear of his car

Who hit him?

Sainz I think, although it was arguable that Kvyat drifted into him.


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Seriously, what is this strategy for Leclerc?

The Kimi strategy? :)

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:lol:

You laugh, but he's finished exactly where Kimi or Massa would have finished relative to Vettel or Alonso. This season could well shape up as a 2007 if Hamilton has been controlled with team orders since the first race. We'll see.

It very much reminds me of 2007.

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pokerman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
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Zoue wrote:
I think it's hilarious that a team would willingly sabotage one driver's race just to make another feel better.

Mercedes have obliterated Hamiton's lead on multiple occasions to help his teammate improve their race. Ultimately, the team orders against Leclerc could have been justified but what happened to the grace period that Kimi had in 2017 and 2018.

I don't see the relevance really. In this particular instance Leclerc was slower and Ferrari clearly didn't want Mercedes getting too far away. Hindsight has meant that Max got between them but that was a possibility anyway and if Leclerc had been quicker it wouldn't have been an issue. Their hand was forced because Red Bull tried an undercut and that nearly worked.

Leclerc was only 1 or 2 tenths slower, perhaps questionable, why did they sign Leclerc to do what Kimi was able to previously?

I suspect that 1 or 2 tenths was only apparent after they changed places. At the time Leclerc was definitely slower and tbh the fastest lap situation described above suggests that Leclerc was simply slower all race anyway. They undoubtedly hoped to be able to take a challenge to Mercedes but Vettel turned out to be not that much quicker after the fact.

I'm struggling to see the controversy here really. I can virtually guarantee that the same people who are moaning about Leclerc having to give up the spot would have been complaining about Ferrari holding Leclerc back had the situations been reversed. The info at the time made the decision reasonable


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Zoue wrote:
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Nice to see a replay of kvyat effectively getting a penalty for getting hit in the rear of his car

Who hit him?

Sainz I think, although it was arguable that Kvyat drifted into him.

Sainz wasn't behind him though?

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pokerman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
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Nice to see a replay of kvyat effectively getting a penalty for getting hit in the rear of his car

Who hit him?

Sainz I think, although it was arguable that Kvyat drifted into him.

Sainz wasn't behind him though?

Sainz was on the outside and I think a little behind?


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Zoue wrote:
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Could Ferrari not have pit Leclerc to have a go for FL?


Yes they could have, for the 2nd time this season

Oh come on. He had every opportunity. He pitted with some 15 laps to go and was supposed to be on a charge and yet still couldn't beat his team mate's lap time who set his several laps earlier and had to go much longer on his tyres. He should beaten Vettel at least and by doing so would likely have had the point as Gasly only just pipped him by less than a tenth.

Honestly, at what point does the driver shoulder any of the responsibility?


They could have just pitted him at the end tho with nothing to lose, why are you getting defensive?


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Zoue wrote:
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Zoue wrote:
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I think it's hilarious that a team would willingly sabotage one driver's race just to make another feel better.

Mercedes have obliterated Hamiton's lead on multiple occasions to help his teammate improve their race. Ultimately, the team orders against Leclerc could have been justified but what happened to the grace period that Kimi had in 2017 and 2018.

I don't see the relevance really. In this particular instance Leclerc was slower and Ferrari clearly didn't want Mercedes getting too far away. Hindsight has meant that Max got between them but that was a possibility anyway and if Leclerc had been quicker it wouldn't have been an issue. Their hand was forced because Red Bull tried an undercut and that nearly worked.

Leclerc was only 1 or 2 tenths slower, perhaps questionable, why did they sign Leclerc to do what Kimi was able to previously?

I suspect that 1 or 2 tenths was only apparent after they changed places. At the time Leclerc was definitely slower and tbh the fastest lap situation described above suggests that Leclerc was simply slower all race anyway. They undoubtedly hoped to be able to take a challenge to Mercedes but Vettel turned out to be not that much quicker after the fact.

I'm struggling to see the controversy here really. I can virtually guarantee that the same people who are moaning about Leclerc having to give up the spot would have been complaining about Ferrari holding Leclerc back had the situations been reversed. The info at the time made the decision reasonable

There's something called racing, no one was asking for Vettel to move out of the way in Bahrain for instance?

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Zoue wrote:
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Nice to see a replay of kvyat effectively getting a penalty for getting hit in the rear of his car

Who hit him?

Sainz I think, although it was arguable that Kvyat drifted into him.

Sainz wasn't behind him though?

Sainz was on the outside and I think a little behind?


Yeah it was either Sainz or Norris, whichever didn't get hit in the rear by kvyat as can't remember which was which at the moment.

Kvyat was on the inside and got a touch of oversteer on the exit and got tapped on the rear which then bumped him into the other mclaren


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1000th race has fully shown why F1 is not anymore what it was. It has several unofficial categories, it is hard t overtake except on the 1km straight, starts are deciding the outcome. And that's just the top of the hill.

Ferrari obviously has a car problem, it looks so unsettled. Also, since Vettel pulled away from Leclerc, the decision of the team was justified. However, they can kiss the world title goodbye.
Merc looks like glued on the tarmac, not a single wobble. Masters.
Hat's down to Albon, some persistent race and first point after starting from the pit. But, it just shows how to important pit strategy has become.

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Zoue wrote:
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Nice to see a replay of kvyat effectively getting a penalty for getting hit in the rear of his car

Who hit him?

Sainz I think, although it was arguable that Kvyat drifted into him.

Sainz wasn't behind him though?

Sainz was on the outside and I think a little behind?

Kvyat ran into the side of Sainz I thought?

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FormulaFun wrote:
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Could Ferrari not have pit Leclerc to have a go for FL?


Yes they could have, for the 2nd time this season

Oh come on. He had every opportunity. He pitted with some 15 laps to go and was supposed to be on a charge and yet still couldn't beat his team mate's lap time who set his several laps earlier and had to go much longer on his tyres. He should beaten Vettel at least and by doing so would likely have had the point as Gasly only just pipped him by less than a tenth.

Honestly, at what point does the driver shoulder any of the responsibility?


They could have just pitted him at the end tho with nothing to lose, why are you getting defensive?

I think people like to complain for the sake of it. Leclerc had the equipment to get fastest lap and they didn't need to pit him. It's not Ferrari's fault he couldn't do it. The real question should be why didn't Leclerc get it anyway since he had the faster car and at the very least should have beaten Vettel's time


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pokerman wrote:
Zoue wrote:
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Who hit him?

Sainz I think, although it was arguable that Kvyat drifted into him.

Sainz wasn't behind him though?

Sainz was on the outside and I think a little behind?

Kvyat ran into the side of Sainz I thought?

I thought it was Norris. If not then it was Norris and Kvyat who touched first. One of the McLarens, anyway


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