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Does anyone feel Giovinazzi will be on the 2020 grid?


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https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11731749/canadian-gp-can-ferrari-finally-capitalise-on-speed-strengths

"Simulation based upon Baku suggests that the Ferrari should be making up around 0.7s on the Mercs down the Montreal straights - and there are doubts about whether the cars spend enough time in the corners for the Mercedes to be able to make all of that back up.

Montreal vies with Monza as the least downforce-sensitive track on the calendar - i.e an increase in downforce buys you less lap time than at any other track, around 30 per cent less than it buys at Barcelona, for example.

That said, most of the corners are fairly slow speed, and this is where the Merc's grip advantage over the Ferrari is at its greatest. It's probably going to be very tight over the lap."


This Ferrari is 7/10th faster than Merc on the straight due to simulation is ridiculous not even in Bahrain were they that fast which is the fastest they have been. Very soon it will get to a second it started at 5/10ths.

This speed didn't materialise in China with the twin straights, the continuous reference to Leclerc being faster in Q2, whilst in the race was no faster than Gasly is laughable.

You don't understand it varies from track to track and you don't believe the Ferrari is faster on the straights?

All that's being said is that the track should help Ferrari moreso than most other tracks but I don't believe anyone is saying categorically that Ferrari will be the quickest or that Mercedes will not be the quickest?


There is nothing to understand here, this is what the article is saying.

Point me to a race weekend where Ferrari was 5/10th faster than Mercedes in Q3 or the race, because using practice is same as using it on testing performance.

Are to believe Mercedes now has 1.7s advantage over Ferrari through the corners?

5 tenths quicker on the straights not over the complete lap, 1.7s quicker in the corners, are you just throwing in arbitrary numbers?

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Name your price. I'll bet you any amount of money that things do not play out like this.


Last year if anyone remembers, it was quite a boring race, which is so rare at this track.

That is true but that's not the reason I don't see this battle transpiring. The fact is that there has never been a tight wheel to wheel battle between Bottas and Hamilton because as soon as Hamilton gets in front of Bottas; the battle is over.

Usually the battle is over regardless of who is in front.

No there have been several times where Hamilton has passed Bottas on track. I cannot think of one time (other than at a start) where Bottas has overtaken Hamilton on track.

Yep Hamilton passed Bottas in Bahrain.

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I'm sure Bottas used medium tyres, I see they threw some softs onto Latiffi's car to get him closer to Russell.

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Does anyone feel Giovinazzi will be on the 2020 grid?


He was well off line into the first part of the chicane but kept his foot in despite there being a wall on the exit of the corner plus it's not even qualifying and the track still needs cleaning up especially off line, not very bright, this also follows up a penalty in Monaco for a half hearted passing attempt on Kubica which blocked the track and was close to getting the race red flagged, then a similar half hearted passing attempt on Kvyat earlier in the season were he punted him off the track and I think got himself another penalty?

He seems to be carrying on his reputation as being a bit of a crasher and being a little bit out of his depth.

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pokerman wrote:
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https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11731749/canadian-gp-can-ferrari-finally-capitalise-on-speed-strengths

"Simulation based upon Baku suggests that the Ferrari should be making up around 0.7s on the Mercs down the Montreal straights - and there are doubts about whether the cars spend enough time in the corners for the Mercedes to be able to make all of that back up.

Montreal vies with Monza as the least downforce-sensitive track on the calendar - i.e an increase in downforce buys you less lap time than at any other track, around 30 per cent less than it buys at Barcelona, for example.

That said, most of the corners are fairly slow speed, and this is where the Merc's grip advantage over the Ferrari is at its greatest. It's probably going to be very tight over the lap."


This Ferrari is 7/10th faster than Merc on the straight due to simulation is ridiculous not even in Bahrain were they that fast which is the fastest they have been. Very soon it will get to a second it started at 5/10ths.

This speed didn't materialise in China with the twin straights, the continuous reference to Leclerc being faster in Q2, whilst in the race was no faster than Gasly is laughable.

You don't understand it varies from track to track and you don't believe the Ferrari is faster on the straights?

All that's being said is that the track should help Ferrari moreso than most other tracks but I don't believe anyone is saying categorically that Ferrari will be the quickest or that Mercedes will not be the quickest?


There is nothing to understand here, this is what the article is saying.

Point me to a race weekend where Ferrari was 5/10th faster than Mercedes in Q3 or the race, because using practice is same as using it on testing performance.

Are to believe Mercedes now has 1.7s advantage over Ferrari through the corners?

5 tenths quicker on the straights not over the complete lap, 1.7s quicker in the corners, are you just throwing in arbitrary numbers?


Well Mercedes were quicker through all the sectors.

Also awaiting you pointing me towards where Ferrari has been 5/10th quicker on the straights.

The 1.7s is easy to work out as the prediction is Ferrari being 7/10th quicker on the straights, so for Merc to be almost a second quicker over the lap they needed to have found 1.7s through the corners thought that was easy to grasp!


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Hamilton has form at this track.
The Mounties will be watching him then. :D

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Bad mistake by Hamilton.

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This Ferrari is 7/10th faster than Merc on the straight due to simulation is ridiculous not even in Bahrain were they that fast which is the fastest they have been. Very soon it will get to a second it started at 5/10ths.

This speed didn't materialise in China with the twin straights, the continuous reference to Leclerc being faster in Q2, whilst in the race was no faster than Gasly is laughable.

You don't understand it varies from track to track and you don't believe the Ferrari is faster on the straights?

All that's being said is that the track should help Ferrari moreso than most other tracks but I don't believe anyone is saying categorically that Ferrari will be the quickest or that Mercedes will not be the quickest?


There is nothing to understand here, this is what the article is saying.

Point me to a race weekend where Ferrari was 5/10th faster than Mercedes in Q3 or the race, because using practice is same as using it on testing performance.

Are to believe Mercedes now has 1.7s advantage over Ferrari through the corners?

5 tenths quicker on the straights not over the complete lap, 1.7s quicker in the corners, are you just throwing in arbitrary numbers?


Well Mercedes were quicker through all the sectors.

Also awaiting you pointing me towards where Ferrari has been 5/10th quicker on the straights.

The 1.7s is easy to work out as the prediction is Ferrari being 7/10th quicker on the straights, so for Merc to be almost a second quicker over the lap they needed to have found 1.7s through the corners thought that was easy to grasp!

You are comparing practice times, ever heard the saying it's only practice?

5 or 7 tenths come from the data analysts, are you qualified in this field?

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Gasly dawdling on the track again this time at the expense of his teammate.

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Gasly dawdling on the track again this time at the expense of his teammate.

It will have effected his lap, but I have to blame Verstappen for hitting the wall. Or in any races, drivers can blame the one in front for affecting the airflow and that resulting in them hitting the wall. Verstappen should have backed off before the final corner. I don't know why he kept trying to push when he was this close.


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This live sky coverage is absolutely dreadful........ I HATE listening to Crofty and Herbert. Laugh at their own made up nonsense. Really tedious. Chandhok was great on Channel 4 but feels like he is being forces to join in with them. A shame. I can tolerate Brundle and crofty in qualifyign and the race, but practice sessions with Crofty are just awful.


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Rockie wrote:
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This Ferrari is 7/10th faster than Merc on the straight due to simulation is ridiculous not even in Bahrain were they that fast which is the fastest they have been. Very soon it will get to a second it started at 5/10ths.

This speed didn't materialise in China with the twin straights, the continuous reference to Leclerc being faster in Q2, whilst in the race was no faster than Gasly is laughable.

You don't understand it varies from track to track and you don't believe the Ferrari is faster on the straights?

All that's being said is that the track should help Ferrari moreso than most other tracks but I don't believe anyone is saying categorically that Ferrari will be the quickest or that Mercedes will not be the quickest?


There is nothing to understand here, this is what the article is saying.

Point me to a race weekend where Ferrari was 5/10th faster than Mercedes in Q3 or the race, because using practice is same as using it on testing performance.

Are to believe Mercedes now has 1.7s advantage over Ferrari through the corners?

5 tenths quicker on the straights not over the complete lap, 1.7s quicker in the corners, are you just throwing in arbitrary numbers?


Well Mercedes were quicker through all the sectors.

Also awaiting you pointing me towards where Ferrari has been 5/10th quicker on the straights.

The 1.7s is easy to work out as the prediction is Ferrari being 7/10th quicker on the straights, so for Merc to be almost a second quicker over the lap they needed to have found 1.7s through the corners thought that was easy to grasp!

Have you not just seen Ferrari just go quicker on the same tyres as Mercedes, it's practice we won't find out the actual pecking order until qualifying, your 1.7s has already been quashed.

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Last year if anyone remembers, it was quite a boring race, which is so rare at this track.

That is true but that's not the reason I don't see this battle transpiring. The fact is that there has never been a tight wheel to wheel battle between Bottas and Hamilton because as soon as Hamilton gets in front of Bottas; the battle is over.

Usually the battle is over regardless of who is in front.

No there have been several times where Hamilton has passed Bottas on track. I cannot think of one time (other than at a start) where Bottas has overtaken Hamilton on track.

Yep Hamilton passed Bottas in Bahrain.

Are you guys really contesting my claim that there usually is no wheel to wheel battle between the Merc drivers?

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Gasly dawdling on the track again this time at the expense of his teammate.

It will have effected his lap, but I have to blame Verstappen for hitting the wall. Or in any races, drivers can blame the one in front for affecting the airflow and that resulting in them hitting the wall. Verstappen should have backed off before the final corner. I don't know why he kept trying to push when he was this close.

Not being able to judge the closing speed of a car got him a penalty in Monaco.

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Gasly dawdling on the track again this time at the expense of his teammate.

It will have effected his lap, but I have to blame Verstappen for hitting the wall. Or in any races, drivers can blame the one in front for affecting the airflow and that resulting in them hitting the wall. Verstappen should have backed off before the final corner. I don't know why he kept trying to push when he was this close.

Well Crofty is campaigning to get rid of practice sessions, I get the impression he finds it all quite boring?

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pokerman wrote:
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Gasly dawdling on the track again this time at the expense of his teammate.

It will have effected his lap, but I have to blame Verstappen for hitting the wall. Or in any races, drivers can blame the one in front for affecting the airflow and that resulting in them hitting the wall. Verstappen should have backed off before the final corner. I don't know why he kept trying to push when he was this close.

Well Crofty is campaigning to get rid of practice sessions, I get the impression he finds it all quite boring?

So Sky seriously need a commentator that shows some passion for the sport. Crofty is not showing any at all.


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That is true but that's not the reason I don't see this battle transpiring. The fact is that there has never been a tight wheel to wheel battle between Bottas and Hamilton because as soon as Hamilton gets in front of Bottas; the battle is over.

Usually the battle is over regardless of who is in front.

No there have been several times where Hamilton has passed Bottas on track. I cannot think of one time (other than at a start) where Bottas has overtaken Hamilton on track.

Yep Hamilton passed Bottas in Bahrain.

Are you guys really contesting my claim that there usually is no wheel to wheel battle between the Merc drivers?

They were wheel to wheel in both Bahrain and Baku, that's 33% of races, if that comes under not usually?

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
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Gasly dawdling on the track again this time at the expense of his teammate.

It will have effected his lap, but I have to blame Verstappen for hitting the wall. Or in any races, drivers can blame the one in front for affecting the airflow and that resulting in them hitting the wall. Verstappen should have backed off before the final corner. I don't know why he kept trying to push when he was this close.

Well Crofty is campaigning to get rid of practice sessions, I get the impression he finds it all quite boring?

So Sky seriously need a commentator that shows some passion for the sport. Crofty is not showing any at all.

Crofty is someone who keeps asking for safety cars if he thinks the race has got too boring, I'm not sure if he was a fan before he got the job?

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Apparently Hamilton's gearbox is alright, very lucky.

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Who will replace Gasly and at which round?


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This live sky coverage is absolutely dreadful........ I HATE listening to Crofty and Herbert. Laugh at their own made up nonsense. Really tedious. Chandhok was great on Channel 4 but feels like he is being forces to join in with them. A shame. I can tolerate Brundle and crofty in qualifyign and the race, but practice sessions with Crofty are just awful.


I did pretty well in P2 even though I say it myself. I lasted nearly 40 minutes listening to the same lame jokes, juvenile put downs, and ill-informed garbage before I finally gave in and muted the damned thing. I have never come across such a lazy, ill- mannered commentator who thinks this garbage is an acceptable alternative to informed comment.

As an exasperated Kravitz said after one of Crofts over long incoherent ramblings -'What's your point?' Indeed. What is the point of Croft?


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This live sky coverage is absolutely dreadful........ I HATE listening to Crofty and Herbert. Laugh at their own made up nonsense. Really tedious. Chandhok was great on Channel 4 but feels like he is being forces to join in with them. A shame. I can tolerate Brundle and crofty in qualifyign and the race, but practice sessions with Crofty are just awful.


I did pretty well in P2 even though I say it myself. I lasted nearly 40 minutes listening to the same lame jokes, juvenile put downs, and ill-informed garbage before I finally gave in and muted the damned thing. I have never come across such a lazy, ill- mannered commentator who thinks this garbage is an acceptable alternative to informed comment.

As an exasperated Kravitz said after one of Crofts over long incoherent ramblings -'What's your point?' Indeed. What is the point of Croft?

I believe his selling point is enthusiasm. If you can keep him pointed in the right direction, he brings good energy to the broadcast. The problem is that it's impossible to do that.

For me, Sky can do better than Croft with people that they already have on their payroll. It's not just the tangential rambling; it's the abundance of mistakes and apparent lack of awareness.


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According the GPS trace Ferrari turned their engines up in FP2.

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Apparently Hamilton's gearbox is alright, very lucky.


According to Ted it wasn't his race gearbox. That will be going in today (Saturday)


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Apparently Hamilton's gearbox is alright, very lucky.


According to Ted it wasn't his race gearbox. That will be going in today (Saturday)

Yeah I over reacted I actually knew that race gearboxes are not used on Fridays as well as race engines once they are on to their second engines apart from when they are new, cheers. :thumbup:

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Well it was predicted that this track would suit their car better.

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Gasly dawdling on the track again this time at the expense of his teammate.

It will have effected his lap, but I have to blame Verstappen for hitting the wall. Or in any races, drivers can blame the one in front for affecting the airflow and that resulting in them hitting the wall. Verstappen should have backed off before the final corner. I don't know why he kept trying to push when he was this close.
He was probably desperate to hit the wall of champions. Wishful hitting, so to speak... :D

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:42 pm 
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Yeah looks like Ferrari has this covered but their drivers need to deliver. Mercs q3 mode will make things a lot closer I reckon.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:55 pm 
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Stroll had an engine failure. A worry for the other Merc engines


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:14 pm 
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Stroll had an engine failure. A worry for the other Merc engines

Maybe, hopefully just bad luck like what Hamilton had in 2016, no other Mercedes driver had any engine issues that year.

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