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Acceptable: emotions were understandably running high 54%  54%  [ 40 ]
Didn't go far enough: he should have boycotted the podium entirely 7%  7%  [ 5 ]
Unacceptable: regardless of the rights/wrongs of the penalty 27%  27%  [ 20 ]
Completely unacceptable: brings the sport into disrepute 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
Other 8%  8%  [ 6 ]
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Thoughts?

Personally, although I agreed with the penalty, I understood why Vettel was upset, and don't feel the pantomime was outside of acceptable limits, as some have suggested.


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Vettel's behaviour was great for F1. Front page of Reddit, back page of the newspapers. The default reaction GIF for protesting a sporting result... It's generated more attention for the sport than anything else in recent memory.

I don't think anyone is going to criticise him too much, but remember, Sebastian is a very astute political player in F1. His actions were all about building sympathy and distracting from the fact it was his mistake under pressure that led to the incident. Whether the penalty was right or wrong is irrelevant - had he not gone off the track in the first place then he would have not received a penalty and he would have won the race.


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I'd much sooner have that than the mid to late 90s and 00s period of robots, never daring to show a contrary emotion.


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I mentioned on another thread that I thought the number-board swapping was a touch of genius. An element of tongue-in-cheek coupled with a nod to sympathy from the on-site fans (and the watching public).
Yup, I'm sure that his emotions were running high, and his manager's apparent insistence that he attend the podium ceremony was simply to avoid the potential for sanction - but did applaud the number-board swap.
Great publicity: I'm sure that the powers-that-be in F1 will have the good sense to let that slide.

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Vettel's behaviour was great for F1. Front page of Reddit, back page of the newspapers. The default reaction GIF for protesting a sporting result... It's generated more attention for the sport than anything else in recent memory.

I don't think anyone is going to criticise him too much, but remember, Sebastian is a very astute political player in F1. His actions were all about building sympathy and distracting from the fact it was his mistake under pressure that led to the incident. Whether the penalty was right or wrong is irrelevant - had he not gone off the track in the first place then he would have not received a penalty and he would have won the race.


I don't agree with the second paragraph. Vettel is a very good politician when the pressure is off but we have seen him get very caught up in the emotion at the time. Doing some quite odd things in the heat of the moment. I really don't think it was calculated. In fact I'm sure knowing that it all started because of his own error made him even more angry. Whether he realised it at the time or not. I know I can get far angrier at my own mistakes than those of other people.


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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Vettel's behaviour was great for F1. Front page of Reddit, back page of the newspapers. The default reaction GIF for protesting a sporting result... It's generated more attention for the sport than anything else in recent memory.

I don't think anyone is going to criticise him too much, but remember, Sebastian is a very astute political player in F1. His actions were all about building sympathy and distracting from the fact it was his mistake under pressure that led to the incident. Whether the penalty was right or wrong is irrelevant - had he not gone off the track in the first place then he would have not received a penalty and he would have won the race.


I don't agree with the second paragraph. Vettel is a very good politician when the pressure is off but we have seen him get very caught up in the emotion at the time. Doing some quite odd things in the heat of the moment. I really don't think it was calculated. In fact I'm sure knowing that it all started because of his own error made him even more angry. Whether he realised it at the time or not. I know I can get far angrier at my own mistakes than those of other people.

I agree that Vettel does react strangely when he's angry. But I think that enough time has passed after getting triggered to the end of the race. He ranted on the radio, he focused on rage rather than pulling a gap. He had plenty of time to think how to play things out when he arrived in the pitlane. I think his decision to stop the car and push it backwards demonstrates it was a calculated move. He knew what he was playing at.


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Swapping the numbers was a laugh, it the kind of thing F1 needs characters and he did it with a wry smile, storming through the pits was just red mist and a function of his sulk. Everyone joined in the "perceived injustice", but now it seems he was less out of control than first thought.
I'm beginning to think the walkabout was camouflage for the mistake.
In a months time I just wonder how we will all view it?

I voted other, understandable but only partly acceptable. the "blind man" rant and other comments were unnecessary.


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In two minds about it. I'd rather he showed a bit of emotion than spout a load of PR-driven blandness, but on the other hand it does set a poor example to any up-and-coming drivers about respecting the officials. Not the first time he's done it either. Anyone who watches football (or soccer, if you prefer) can appreciate the sort of toxic culture that can take root if disrespect to the officials is condoned. Sure you can disagree with a decision that's been made, but storming off and throwing a tantrum is not the way to do it.

Overall... meh. Not going to lose any sleep over it.


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For me, it was political. He was playing to the crowd there. It worked (at least in the short run). Everyone took his side in the immediate aftermath. Everyone had sympathy for him and all the Sky pundits were babbling about how it was unfair. The main thing he achieved with his radio tantrum and post-race antics was that he effectively took the spotlight off of the fact that he, yet again, made a critical error that cost him the race. No one blamed him on the whole broadcast and half of them said he was driver of the day. They chose to point their ire at the race stewards, who were just doing their jobs, instead...


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There isn't really an option there for what I think.

It was childish, a bit political but it's gave an iconic moment and hit headlines - and it's nice to see a driver give some character rather than the bland, unoffensive, keep the sponsors happy, well drilled, PR rubbish.

I think he probably has to be punished to some extent, just simply because he has to be. However, it was good to see.

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It was box office and the vast majority loved it. Personally I was hoping he'd stick to his guns and boycott the podium altogether

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Vettel's behaviour was great for F1. Front page of Reddit, back page of the newspapers. The default reaction GIF for protesting a sporting result... It's generated more attention for the sport than anything else in recent memory.

I don't think anyone is going to criticise him too much, but remember, Sebastian is a very astute political player in F1. His actions were all about building sympathy and distracting from the fact it was his mistake under pressure that led to the incident. Whether the penalty was right or wrong is irrelevant - had he not gone off the track in the first place then he would have not received a penalty and he would have won the race.


I don't agree with the second paragraph. Vettel is a very good politician when the pressure is off but we have seen him get very caught up in the emotion at the time. Doing some quite odd things in the heat of the moment. I really don't think it was calculated. In fact I'm sure knowing that it all started because of his own error made him even more angry. Whether he realised it at the time or not. I know I can get far angrier at my own mistakes than those of other people.


I have to agree here. I don't think his post-race actions were politically motivated, just a very angry driver, expressing his emotions...right or wrong. Switching the boards certainly played to the feelings that most fans, most media, and most other drivers (last and present) appear to have over the scope/effect of the penalty....however, I doubt it was a premeditated political act.I
My opinion: Seb screwed up, then the stewards screwed up, then Seb's emotions kicked into high gear. Some are claiming to be offended by his actions, hoever, it seems, most are understanding and even glad to see a driver not be a robotic PR machine when he felt wronged.

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I think this behaviour was 50% emotion and 50% politics. I think that the fan outrage on this one was so big that it will deter the stewards from giving Vettel a penalty if he pushes/crowds out a Mercedes in the near future.


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I think this behaviour was 50% emotion and 50% politics. I think that the fan outrage on this one was so big that it will deter the stewards from giving Vettel a penalty if he pushes/crowds out a Mercedes in the near future.


Are you serious? So its OK if he crowds out a Red Bull or a Renault and causes an accident. Do you seriously think that stewards decide penalties based on which team is involved.

Inconsistent perhaps sometimes but that implies they are Ferrari puppets!


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No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.


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No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.

This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?


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No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.

This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?

Alright.

Let’s just say that there is an incident next race. Vettel leads and makes some kind of controversial defensive move on Hamilton that is borderline punishable but not clear cut.

Do you not think that the backlash today will have some impact on the steward’s decision?


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No why should it? Its not going to be the same person anyway. What leverage do you think is going to be in play?

You are attaching way too much importance to the incident.


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No why should it? Its not going to be the same person anyway. What leverage do you think is going to be in play?

You are attaching way too much importance to the incident.

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Article 46.1 of the Sporting Regulations requires that drivers who finish 1, 2, 3 MUST attend the podium ceremony. If Vettel had "boycotted", he would have been in VERY serious trouble.

So what if he acted like a spoiled brat, as long as I don't have to change his diaper, it's not my problem.

Personally, if I was a team owner I would want a driver unwilling to accept anything but a win, and has that fire in his belly. If not, they should not be in a race car.

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Not the biggest fan of Vettel but I started to feel for the guy lately. We stick the boot in him too often - I have done it also myself.

I thought it was a bit tongue in cheek so it's ok.

I haven't thought that it might be a bit theatrics to play the sympathy card and to distract attention from his own mistake. If that is the case, then he is cleverer than I thought.

Also yes it generated publicity for himself and the F1 brand in general. We need this because the current Lewis Hamilton show brought to you by Mercedes is getting a little bit tedious. How excited can I get about this sport when I know Hamilton will be champion until at least 2020?

So in the greater scheme of things no much harm was done.


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I am actually shocked to see the results of the poll here.

Vettel with his theatrics has disrespected and deligitimated the new race director(Charlie just passed away few months ago, so I think Vettel did the WRONG thing). What happened is the product of a weak mind. Shame.

The RB guys resemble Vettel and it is the reason why I would not let anybody below 22/23 drive an F1 car.

Theatrics will only bring bad things and Sunday Vettel has crossed the line. You may gain sympathy and new fans though. But good luck with your future :) .

This kind of behavior is severely punished in football and rightly so. You can not try to weaken the referee's power without suffering big consequences.


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I was fine with it, the same way I'm usually fine with driver team radio outbursts. It's all heat of the moment stuff and just a bit of pantomime.


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It was a tantrum, similar to ones we've seen before from Vettel and Max.
I found the swapping numbers thing childish and disrespectful.
As recently as Monaco, Vettel benefited from a penalty that bumped him up to 2nd.
Would he have found it acceptable if Max had have taken his 2nd position marker and put it front of his car?


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Normally the FIA takes behaviour in Parc Fermee very seriously, as so many things can be suspect. In this case the FIA have to show who is in charge. If it allows ANY driver to break the rules without sanction it will just end up with another Schumacher (!)

Vettel had lots of time to calm down and consider his behaviour when leaving his car - the idea that it was "just a joke" is naive in the extreme.

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Greenman wrote:
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Normally the FIA takes behaviour in Parc Fermee very seriously, as so many things can be suspect. In this case the FIA have to show who is in charge. If it allows ANY driver to break the rules without sanction it will just end up with another Schumacher (!)

Vettel had lots of time to calm down and consider his behaviour when leaving his car - the idea that it was "just a joke" is naive in the extreme.

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Pullrod wrote:
I am actually shocked to see the results of the poll here.

Vettel with his theatrics has disrespected and deligitimated the new race director(Charlie just passed away few months ago, so I think Vettel did the WRONG thing). What happened is the product of a weak mind. Shame.

The RB guys resemble Vettel and it is the reason why I would not let anybody below 22/23 drive an F1 car.

Theatrics will only bring bad things and Sunday Vettel has crossed the line. You may gain sympathy and new fans though. But good luck with your future :) .

This kind of behavior is severely punished in football and rightly so. You can not try to weaken the referee's power without suffering big consequences.



Yes, Iv'e just spent the morning reading the various threats made against Pirro, his wife and children. 'We know where your son works' and 'be careful when you come back to Italy', and so on. Wiki has had to suspend his page. Depressing reading.


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Pullrod wrote:
I am actually shocked to see the results of the poll here.

Vettel with his theatrics has disrespected and deligitimated the new race director(Charlie just passed away few months ago, so I think Vettel did the WRONG thing). What happened is the product of a weak mind. Shame.

The RB guys resemble Vettel and it is the reason why I would not let anybody below 22/23 drive an F1 car.

Theatrics will only bring bad things and Sunday Vettel has crossed the line. You may gain sympathy and new fans though. But good luck with your future :) .

This kind of behavior is severely punished in football and rightly so. You can not try to weaken the referee's power without suffering big consequences.

How did he disrespect the new director? I can't see that. It was a funny theatric, he did go himself to the stewards to complain since he felt he was wronged. I do not mind that at all. The only thing that I would think about punishing is not returning his car in the parc ferme. But then again, much about nothing really.


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Pullrod wrote:
I am actually shocked to see the results of the poll here.

Vettel with his theatrics has disrespected and deligitimated the new race director(Charlie just passed away few months ago, so I think Vettel did the WRONG thing). What happened is the product of a weak mind. Shame.

The RB guys resemble Vettel and it is the reason why I would not let anybody below 22/23 drive an F1 car.

Theatrics will only bring bad things and Sunday Vettel has crossed the line. You may gain sympathy and new fans though. But good luck with your future :) .

This kind of behavior is severely punished in football and rightly so. You can not try to weaken the referee's power without suffering big consequences.



Yes, Iv'e just spent the morning reading the various threats made against Pirro, his wife and children. 'We know where your son works' and 'be careful when you come back to Italy', and so on. Wiki has had to suspend his page. Depressing reading.


This is sad. Last time I checked there were 3 stewards, and I'm not even sure if it has to be an unanimous decision to pass the sentence; he may have opposed it for all we know (I am not aware of Pirro's opinion).


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This is sad. Last time I checked there were 3 stewards, and I'm not even sure if it has to be an unanimous decision to pass the sentence; he may have opposed it for all we know (I am not aware of Pirro's opinion).


Really sad to hear this. I was actually worried at the time when the Sky team kept specifically calling Pirro out by name that something like this might happen. It happens quite a lot in football, but I had a slim hope the F1 audience was a bit better than that.


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It does appear that the stewards decision was based on data not available to everyone. If what is stated in the Auotsport article is correct (summarised below).
Its all very well saying that Vettel's behaviour is acceptable but that sort of theatre has consequences. It reminded my of when Vettel got torpedoed by Kvyatt and he dramatically marched into the Red Bull garage and effectively demanded Kvyatt be dropped.

If anyone has been threatened they should be pursued legally. It was a harsh decision on Vettel, Hamilton saying he would have done the same doesn't mitigate it either, if he had he would have deserved to be punished in exactly the same way. What happened afterwards was entertaining but with all the emotion associated with Ferrari and their drivers it whipped up a storm. Sadly that storm is obstructing impartiality.



"But while it is clear from on board footage that Vettel was battling to control his car as he bounced off the grass onto the circuit again, it is understood that the stewards' decision was based on Vettel's actions at the point he had effectively recovered from the incident.

The stewards examined slow motion footage of Vettel's actions from the moment that he had regained control and started steering his car - and felt the evidence showed that he could have made different choices that would have been within the rules.

The footage clearly captures Vettel correcting an oversteer moment as he rejoins the track - which is shown by a sharp steering wheel movement to the right.

Shortly after that, Vettel has sorted the oversteer and begins steering to the left to follow the direction of the circuit - suggesting he is now under control.

But a split moment later, rather than keeping to the left, Vettel is shown to release the steering wheel - which allows his car to drift to the right, cutting off the route that Hamilton would have taken had he had clear space.


The movement to straighten the wheel, which put the Ferrari into the path of Hamilton's Mercedes, is believed to be key to the unanimous decision by the stewards to punish Vettel.

The stewards also used an extra CCTV camera view of the incident, which was not broadcast on the international television feed, showing Vettel moving his head and looking in the mirrors to see Hamilton was during the moments when he was releasing the wheel to the right.

On board footage of the Vettel incident also shows his head turning towards the mirrors in the moment when he is drifting out - suggesting he knew where Hamilton was.

Had Vettel kept his car tight to the left once he had regained control, then there was likely enough room to have allowed Hamilton through on the right - in which case the matter would almost certainly not have been investigated.

The fact that telemetry data showed Hamilton had to brake to avoid the collision with Vettel indicated how the Mercedes driver was caught out by his rival's actions."


Source https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/143996/vettel-steering-inputs-key-to-fia-penalty-decision


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Lojik wrote:
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This is sad. Last time I checked there were 3 stewards, and I'm not even sure if it has to be an unanimous decision to pass the sentence; he may have opposed it for all we know (I am not aware of Pirro's opinion).


Really sad to hear this. I was actually worried at the time when the Sky team kept specifically calling Pirro out by name that something like this might happen. It happens quite a lot in football, but I had a slim hope the F1 audience was a bit better than that.

Yeah, F1 is not really famed for it's hooligan fans...


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It does appear that the stewards decision was based on data not available to everyone. If what is stated in the Auotsport article is correct (summarised below).
Its all very well saying that Vettel's behaviour is acceptable but that sort of theatre has consequences. It reminded my of when Vettel got torpedoed by Kvyatt and he dramatically marched into the Red Bull garage and effectively demanded Kvyatt be dropped.

If anyone has been threatened they should be pursued legally. It was a harsh decision on Vettel, Hamilton saying he would have done the same doesn't mitigate it either, if he had he would have deserved to be punished in exactly the same way. What happened afterwards was entertaining but with all the emotion associated with Ferrari and their drivers it whipped up a storm. Sadly that storm is obstructing impartiality.

"But while it is clear from on board footage that Vettel was battling to control his car as he bounced off the grass onto the circuit again, it is understood that the stewards' decision was based on Vettel's actions at the point he had effectively recovered from the incident.

The stewards examined slow motion footage of Vettel's actions from the moment that he had regained control and started steering his car - and felt the evidence showed that he could have made different choices that would have been within the rules.

The footage clearly captures Vettel correcting an oversteer moment as he rejoins the track - which is shown by a sharp steering wheel movement to the right.

Shortly after that, Vettel has sorted the oversteer and begins steering to the left to follow the direction of the circuit - suggesting he is now under control.

But a split moment later, rather than keeping to the left, Vettel is shown to release the steering wheel - which allows his car to drift to the right, cutting off the route that Hamilton would have taken had he had clear space.


The movement to straighten the wheel, which put the Ferrari into the path of Hamilton's Mercedes, is believed to be key to the unanimous decision by the stewards to punish Vettel.

The stewards also used an extra CCTV camera view of the incident, which was not broadcast on the international television feed, showing Vettel moving his head and looking in the mirrors to see Hamilton was during the moments when he was releasing the wheel to the right.

On board footage of the Vettel incident also shows his head turning towards the mirrors in the moment when he is drifting out - suggesting he knew where Hamilton was.

Had Vettel kept his car tight to the left once he had regained control, then there was likely enough room to have allowed Hamilton through on the right - in which case the matter would almost certainly not have been investigated.

The fact that telemetry data showed Hamilton had to brake to avoid the collision with Vettel indicated how the Mercedes driver was caught out by his rival's actions."


Source https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/143996/vettel-steering-inputs-key-to-fia-penalty-decision

Ok, so this mentions that the decision was indeed unanimous.


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He has actually played a master stroke too, if he wasn’t so outraged over the penalty or let’s just say Hamilton got by cleanly from it. We would have had 2 weeks of articles about Vettel cracking under pressure AGAIN. It’s funny how the headlines change, nobody is speaking about that but it’s the elephant in the room. He is too error prone to take it to Hamilton in equal cars, he needs the best car. Ferrari need to make a big move for Verstappen I think or a shock move for Hamilton. I don’t see Vettel in the sport in 3 years time


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It was pretty great, the kind of stuff we want to see more of, he made his point in a harmless and pretty hilarious way.

Wouldn't have really made much difference if he had skipped the podium entirely but I was glad he didnt in the end as he was able to address the crowd about not booing Hamilton, who clearly didnt deserve it.

Overall I think he handled himself well, comments from the usual crowd about it being a tantrum are pretty funny, he looked pretty in control and confident in his position to me, he felt robbed and knew he had the crowd on his side.


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It was pretty great, the kind of stuff we want to see more of, he made his point in a harmless and pretty hilarious way.

Wouldn't have really made much difference if he had skipped the podium entirely but I was glad he didnt in the end as he was able to address the crowd about not booing Hamilton, who clearly didnt deserve it.

Overall I think he handled himself well, comments from the usual crowd about it being a tantrum are pretty funny, he looked pretty in control and confident in his position to me, he felt robbed and knew he had the crowd on his side.


But not the rules my friend.
Without rules there is no sport, and we are left with the kind of mob rule mentality we are seeing blighting society on the whole at the moment.


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Laz_T800 wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
It was pretty great, the kind of stuff we want to see more of, he made his point in a harmless and pretty hilarious way.

Wouldn't have really made much difference if he had skipped the podium entirely but I was glad he didnt in the end as he was able to address the crowd about not booing Hamilton, who clearly didnt deserve it.

Overall I think he handled himself well, comments from the usual crowd about it being a tantrum are pretty funny, he looked pretty in control and confident in his position to me, he felt robbed and knew he had the crowd on his side.


But not the rules my friend.
Without rules there is no sport, and we are left with the kind of mob rule mentality we are seeing blighting society on the whole at the moment.

I think we are probably best to keep discussion about the incident in the appropriate thread, that being said the majority agree it was a racing incident and did not warrant a penalty. So the point I make in the above post is absolutely correct, whether you agree with the crowd or not.


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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Laz_T800 wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
It was pretty great, the kind of stuff we want to see more of, he made his point in a harmless and pretty hilarious way.

Wouldn't have really made much difference if he had skipped the podium entirely but I was glad he didnt in the end as he was able to address the crowd about not booing Hamilton, who clearly didnt deserve it.

Overall I think he handled himself well, comments from the usual crowd about it being a tantrum are pretty funny, he looked pretty in control and confident in his position to me, he felt robbed and knew he had the crowd on his side.


But not the rules my friend.
Without rules there is no sport, and we are left with the kind of mob rule mentality we are seeing blighting society on the whole at the moment.

I think we are probably best to keep discussion about the incident in the appropriate thread, that being said the majority agree it was a racing incident and did not warrant a penalty. So the point I make in the above post is absolutely correct, whether you agree with the crowd or not.


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15569

Oh really?


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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Laz_T800 wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
It was pretty great, the kind of stuff we want to see more of, he made his point in a harmless and pretty hilarious way.

Wouldn't have really made much difference if he had skipped the podium entirely but I was glad he didnt in the end as he was able to address the crowd about not booing Hamilton, who clearly didnt deserve it.

Overall I think he handled himself well, comments from the usual crowd about it being a tantrum are pretty funny, he looked pretty in control and confident in his position to me, he felt robbed and knew he had the crowd on his side.


But not the rules my friend.
Without rules there is no sport, and we are left with the kind of mob rule mentality we are seeing blighting society on the whole at the moment.

I think we are probably best to keep discussion about the incident in the appropriate thread, that being said the majority agree it was a racing incident and did not warrant a penalty. So the point I make in the above post is absolutely correct, whether you agree with the crowd or not.


"When you are in a minority of one, the truth is the truth" ....Quote from Gandhi.

Its not about majority and the post above explains why a penalty was implemented. His behaviour afterwards was witty but only to a degree.


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Laz_T800 wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Laz_T800 wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:
It was pretty great, the kind of stuff we want to see more of, he made his point in a harmless and pretty hilarious way.

Wouldn't have really made much difference if he had skipped the podium entirely but I was glad he didnt in the end as he was able to address the crowd about not booing Hamilton, who clearly didnt deserve it.

Overall I think he handled himself well, comments from the usual crowd about it being a tantrum are pretty funny, he looked pretty in control and confident in his position to me, he felt robbed and knew he had the crowd on his side.


But not the rules my friend.
Without rules there is no sport, and we are left with the kind of mob rule mentality we are seeing blighting society on the whole at the moment.

I think we are probably best to keep discussion about the incident in the appropriate thread, that being said the majority agree it was a racing incident and did not warrant a penalty. So the point I make in the above post is absolutely correct, whether you agree with the crowd or not.


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15569

Oh really?

Yup, I voted for the 3rd option but IMO it's a racing incident. The wording of those options doesn't translate well to this but only the 1st option is definitely a penalty. Options 4/5 are definitely no penalty and 2/3 probably contain a mixture of people who would say penalty and racing incident.

I can understand why would would disagree with the position but I dont see how you can disagree that the majority dont agree with the decision. It seems pretty evident from the crowd reaction, social media etc etc.

Just to state what should be obvious here: im in no way saying the popularity of the opinion is evidence of it being correct, I only mentioned it in reference to Vettel's mindset post-race "he looked pretty in control and confident in his position to me, he felt robbed and knew he had the crowd on his side.".


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